[Serenity]

Could someone remind me what last happened with Kallor please? I've only read TtH once. I remember him travelling along in that, and then Korlat and Orfantal turning up in pursuit, and what happened to Orfantal, but I can't remember what happened after that, and how Korlat got from there to where she is in tCG.

[Bauchelain the Evil]

Kallor remained in some little town near Daruhjistan. Korlat and Spinnock returned to Black Coral where Nimander had just become king and then near the beginning of TCG Aps'alara convinces Nimander to leave Coral with his entire court to go aid the Shake in Karkhanas.

[Serenity]

Fantastic, thanks very much

[Abyss]

Not surprisingly, Dessimbelackis remains a grey zone. we know he ended up split into the remaining deragoth some time before the human First Empire engaged the shapeshifter Ritual, and not much more.

Not that this is a yawning gap by any means, but i will always wonder just what happened there. and whether that was him the Gral encountered when they were wiping out that Edur refugee tribe on 7C.

[Bauchelain the Evil]

Abyss, on 22 March 2011 - 04:29 PM, said:

Not surprisingly, Dessimbelackis remains a grey zone. we know he ended up split into the remaining deragoth some time before the human First Empire engaged the shapeshifter Ritual, and not much more.

Not that this is a yawning gap by any means, but i will always wonder just what happened there. and whether that was him the Gral encountered when they were wiping out that Edur refugee tribe on 7C.

Wait, I've always thought that those were Eres. Why do you think they were Edur?

[worry]

Urizen, on 22 March 2011 - 10:41 AM, said:

worrywort, on 16 March 2011 - 10:50 PM, said:

I am almost positive that the undead dragon in question is Tulas Shorn. Even on a reread of TTH it was quite ambiguous for a long while, and my quote fu is admittedly weak here, but in the back of my mind there's a glimmer of a memory that Tulas Shorn changes his mind about chains partway through the book, some time after the encounter with Kallor.

I doubt that, as the Undead dragon that chats with Kallor remembers it died in the Jaghut War on death while Shorn, both in DoD and TCG, can't remember the why,who and how he died.
The implication from TCG is that Shorn died during the shattering of Kurald Emurhlan (perhaps at Rake's hand or maybe Scarbandari).

Hmm, good point.

[TheSword]

Abyss, on 16 March 2011 - 02:38 PM, said:

A few faces were missing from TCG, leaving us lacking closure on them. Which is fine of course, because we always knew there were going to be a few, if not a lot, of those...

Here are the ones I thought of offhand:


The Wyval - in RG we find out he was sent on a mission by Silchas. Never seen again.

Withal's Nachts - saved Withal and Sandy from an FA in DoD, not seen again. Would have been handy at Lightfall, actually.

Envy and Spite - last seen not obtaining Dragnipur in TtH.

The other undead dragon - the one that chatted with Kallor in TtH but didn't seem to be Tulas Shorn.

Felisin Fatter and the Cult of the Apocalypse (is it just me or does that seem like the name of a 70s progressive rock group? ...it's just me...) - I know 7C was pretty much left aside after TB but that book suggested the Cult would be important somehow.

Dassem - But I suspect we may see him again in the ICE books or the Toblakai trilo.

Tayshrenn - events in SW suggest we'll see him in a future ICE book.

The Seguleh Second - ICE book again, given that Skinner is over there.

Greyfrog - seriously.



- Abyss, ...no, seriously...

Envy and Spite, future Esslemont novel, Throne and Orb, continues after TTH.

Felisin Fatter probably had her conclusion in TBH. Nobody seemed to look or bother with her,

[Kanubis]

TheSword, on 30 March 2011 - 01:32 AM, said:

Envy and Spite, future Esslemont novel, Throne and Orb, continues after TTH.

Felisin Fatter probably had her conclusion in TBH. Nobody seemed to look or bother with her,

Spite was definitely leaving Darujhistan at the end of TTH, so I doubt she'll be in TaO,

[Binder of Demons]

Abyss, on 16 March 2011 - 07:36 PM, said:

poeg, on 16 March 2011 - 07:20 PM, said:

The all powerful and mysterious mules...

FUCK! THAT'S RIGHT!!!!

Now we'll never understand the mysterious connection between the Mules of Shadow and the Donkeygoth!

Damn you Steven Erikson! DAMMMMNNNNNN YOUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!

I think I figured out the mysterious mules. On another thread people were waxing philosophical about the link between Dancer's original name and his ascended title, Cotillion.

Well, didn't it just jump out at me then. Could the sound of a name be a clue? Screw correct spelling or any of that nonsense.

But say it quickly and Ammanas sounds like "A-Man-Ass", and "Ass = Donkey", therefore Shadowthrone is the D'ivers Donkeygoth. Plus the Mules only show up with minions of Shadow.

There. Unassailable logic.

You're welcome.

My work here is done.

[rannald]

i have never read any of the Esslemont's books but do nil and nether ever come up again?? i wanted to see if bottle ever went looking for
nether, at the end of the BH nether tells bottle to come back to her, or something right?

[Arkmam]

Binder of Demons, on 30 March 2011 - 12:07 PM, said:

Abyss, on 16 March 2011 - 07:36 PM, said:

poeg, on 16 March 2011 - 07:20 PM, said:

The all powerful and mysterious mules...

FUCK! THAT'S RIGHT!!!!Now we'll never understand the mysterious connection between the Mules of Shadow and the Donkeygoth!Damn you Steven Erikson! DAMMMMNNNNNN YOUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!

I think I figured out the mysterious mules. On another thread people were waxing philosophical about the link between Dancer's original name and his ascended title, Cotillion.Well, didn't it just jump out at me then. Could the sound of a name be a clue? Screw correct spelling or any of that nonsense.But say it quickly and Ammanas sounds like "A-Man-Ass", and "Ass = Donkey", therefore Shadowthrone is the D'ivers Donkeygoth. Plus the Mules only show up with minions of Shadow.There. Unassailable logic.You're welcome.My work here is done.

Reminds me of someone's (Abyss'?) theory that the Forkrul Assail were K'rul's personal attack squad, since they are named "For K'rul, assail".

[Abyss]

rannald, on 30 March 2011 - 12:14 PM, said:

i have never read any of the Esslemont's books but do nil and nether ever come up again?? i wanted to see if bottle ever went looking for
nether, at the end of the BH nether tells bottle to come back to her, or something right?

that's totally a RAFO answer but since at least part of the answer is three books ago, the response is here if you want it...

Spoiler

Nil and Nether appear in RCG. Bottle does not.

[worry]

I've got a question. Wasn't there a Tiste Andii assassin named Feral that was being held back by the Priestess in TTH? We don't get to see a bunch of the Black Coral TA even though they were as a group going back to KG right? I don't really recall if there's a good place for her in TCG, but I would hope she appears some time.

[Gatekeeper]

Binder of Demons, on 30 March 2011 - 12:07 PM, said:

Abyss, on 16 March 2011 - 07:36 PM, said:

poeg, on 16 March 2011 - 07:20 PM, said:

The all powerful and mysterious mules...

FUCK! THAT'S RIGHT!!!!

Now we'll never understand the mysterious connection between the Mules of Shadow and the Donkeygoth!

Damn you Steven Erikson! DAMMMMNNNNNN YOUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!

I think I figured out the mysterious mules. On another thread people were waxing philosophical about the link between Dancer's original name and his ascended title, Cotillion.

Well, didn't it just jump out at me then. Could the sound of a name be a clue? Screw correct spelling or any of that nonsense.

But say it quickly and Ammanas sounds like "A-Man-Ass", and "Ass = Donkey", therefore Shadowthrone is the D'ivers Donkeygoth. Plus the Mules only show up with minions of Shadow.

There. Unassailable logic.

You're welcome.

My work here is done.

That's some good weed, dude.

[raest]

What about the Azath builder that Nimander freed in TtH?

[Azathmaster]

[Reminds me of someone's (Abyss'?) theory that the Forkrul Assail were K'rul's personal attack squad, since they are named "For K'rul, assail".
[/quote]

Thats what I was wondering too. They might have been like the gilk, betraying the masters. the gilk betrayed the assail, and the assail may have betrayed K'rul, maybe leading to him being forgotten, making kallors curse come true.

[Azathmaster]

raest, on 31 March 2011 - 11:09 AM, said:

What about the Azath builder that Nimander freed in TtH?

If i remember correctly, the azath builder continued his service to gothos to let nimander escape.

[worry]

^^ I'd listen to this guy on all matters Azath.

[D'iversify]

Regarding Undead Dragons, I recall one wandering around through the Warrens pretty early in the series (House of Chains?), which I don't recall ity being confirmed who it was. I think I might have retrospectively attributed it to be Olar Ethil, but I'm sure that's wrinmg It certainly wasn't Tulas Shorn. So who?

[Ceda Cicero]

D, on 05 April 2011 - 11:37 AM, said:

Regarding Undead Dragons, I recall one wandering around through the Warrens pretty early in the series (House of Chains?), which I don't recall ity being confirmed who it was. I think I might have retrospectively attributed it to be Olar Ethil, but I'm sure that's wrinmg It certainly wasn't Tulas Shorn. So who?

I think you're thinking of the scene in Deadhouse Gates where Kulp sees the undead dragon pushing its way through Shadow and then uses its "wake" to bring the ship out of the Nascent and through Shadow. It's almost definitively Olar Ethil because of:

a.) The size (Kulp mentions it rivals Rake and Osserc.)
b.) The fact that the dragon is undead.
c.) The fact that it enters Tellan.
d.) We see it again at the end of DG perched over the true gate at the end of the Path of Hands, from Pust's PoV.