[Osseric]

Omtose, on 04 March 2011 - 12:44 AM, said:

i think its going to be a race between J and Z to lynch either Korabas or merrid, Im going to have to ignore kalse for now and concentrate on taking out merrid team J doesnt have the numbers to risk voting for two different candidates

Vote Merrid

Bet 20

before anyone asks where ive got all the coinds, ive been on 2 successfull lynch trains and have betted heavily both times

Hood, on 04 March 2011 - 03:05 PM, said:

This game is starting to drag ( only one NK) and if we don't take chances it will last forever. I don't trust anyone's reveals. For all I know any of you could be a FM trying to fit in. I doubly don't trust Amp as he could have easily been talking tons of shit to throw people off.


Vote Merrid


Bet 5

Silanah, on 04 March 2011 - 06:00 PM, said:

vote Merrid

this game has gotten stale with no action.

Bet 7 credits

EDIT forgot my credits

Barghast, on 05 March 2011 - 04:24 AM, said:

I think Korabas is the FM desperately trying to buy one more day so he can change alts tonight.

"Even though it will only be temporary as the FM will have to waste a night action in killing me." -> so unlikely, the FM would need to spend two days in your alt and there'd be a lot of danger of us deciding your reveal was shite and voting you(/the FM)off during those two days.

You, sir, are faking. Poorly. |:K

Vote Korabas

Ruse, on 05 March 2011 - 12:39 PM, said:

Be nice, Kalse. Its been sleepy time here.

For:
Seconding Team J, imo
Fake Reveal - FM is factioned? Game breaker.
If its true, FM will get him anyway.

I was tempted, but lovely debunk from team K made it seem super weak. Info from CF will be helpful.

Vote Korabas

one of these people is the FM, if Korabas was telling the truth

This post has been edited by Osseric: 06 March 2011 - 12:10 AM

[Osseric]

of these, HP's post is esp suspicious. he makes a lot of noise saying how he's not trusting anyone, especially Ampelas....and then he votes Merrid based on Ampelas' reveal.

[Omtose]

why do you assume that its one of us who is the FM?

it could just of easily been someone who joined the korabas train after the reveal

I want to know why GL was happy to lynch korabas yesturday, but now he's dead is happy to agree with him and try to get the J leader to out himself

slightly suspicious IMHO

[Hood's Path]

Merrid, on 05 March 2011 - 07:05 PM, said:

I've just had a thought - if Korabas was telling the truth about the FM switching to Team J, isn't there an obvious solution to the FM?

Captain J needs to fold - and whichever Captain wins needs to cash in the lives wagered for the hand. One of the traded players will be the FM, since he's back at the bottom of the chain on Team J. I realize that might seems suspicious given my supposed allegiance but if I were the Captain I'd do it in a heartbeat. If the rule about "CF is faction only" is really hard and fast, and the FM and the other role are on factions, then we may never really know if we hit the FM or not. In which case, it makes sense to press our advantage wherever it comes.

Back later with more.

Wait so now Korbas was telling the truth. You guys are to much. First he is lying so you lynch him. A revealed finder. Let me restate that especially for Ruse and Barghast. My number one suspects. You lynch a revealed finder. He here is a thought lets just hand the game to the FM. Oh wait you guys basically have already done that. Well done. Well done. It completely blows my mind. Sure Korbas's reasoning for voting is weird but since when do we lynch a fucking revealed finder. That is never ever a good idea.

As for this suggestion. Why that is a brilliant idea especially if your the FM. IF the fm acts like a normal life and gets traded to another team and the J captain folds and Oh I don't know the Z faction ends up winning the hand. Why now the FM will only be a step away from that captain winning. Yes I know that is assuming that he would find out who the captain is. I am also assuming that he would find out like any other life who is above him in rank. The only one would be the captain. While true there are a couple of things wrong with this idea. One being he might not find out.

Now what if K wins. Then the FM is going to go to that faction and what exactly we will be right where we are now. With the FM in a faction AND NO finder to find him. Brilliant reasoning. Oh and I love how you think that it has to be totally obvious that the captains know who are on each team. That wouldn't make this game messed up in any way.

Personally and from what I have managed to get from dibs is that nobody knows shit in this game. Each person seems to know one other and that is it. Which if I was going to balance it is how I would do it. Anything else makes it unbalanced.

Lets see what you might be thinking.

Hmm the J captain has won two hands and probably has a lot of credits piled up. We know this because he keeps raising the bets. 75 on this flop. Which is the most we have seen since the first hand. I have to assume he has a lot more money behind that. Now if he was to fold then either the K captain or the Z captain would be able to get a little bit of breathing room. So I can see why you would suggest that. I just don't think that it would be in the J captains best bet.

[Hood's Path]

Osseric, on 05 March 2011 - 08:30 AM, said:

of course, if Korabas is the mystery cultist, makng "finds" on his recruits is a great strategy

if it works out.

his reveal stinks. I wish i'd bet more now.

There is no cultist in this game. It was promised a straight up faction game with a FM but no cults. You are fearmongering and I don't like it.

[Hood's Path]

Barghast, on 05 March 2011 - 04:24 AM, said:

I think Korabas is the FM desperately trying to buy one more day so he can change alts tonight.

"Even though it will only be temporary as the FM will have to waste a night action in killing me." -> so unlikely, the FM would need to spend two days in your alt and there'd be a lot of danger of us deciding your reveal was shite and voting you(/the FM)off during those two days.

You, sir, are faking. Poorly. |:K

Vote Korabas

This is the most horrible logic ever. Obviously we would have only given Korabas till someone died who wasn't a cash in. Then we would have lynched Korbas. Really your vote is scummy beyond belief.

[Hood's Path]

Osseric, on 05 March 2011 - 10:01 PM, said:

Merrid, on 05 March 2011 - 07:05 PM, said:

I've just had a thought - if Korabas was telling the truth about the FM switching to Team J, isn't there an obvious solution to the FM?

Captain J needs to fold - and whichever Captain wins needs to cash in the lives wagered for the hand. One of the traded players will be the FM, since he's back at the bottom of the chain on Team J. I realize that might seems suspicious given my supposed allegiance but if I were the Captain I'd do it in a heartbeat. If the rule about "CF is faction only" is really hard and fast, and the FM and the other role are on factions, then we may never really know if we hit the FM or not. In which case, it makes sense to press our advantage wherever it comes.

Back later with more.

except Jelunga just pushed heavily.
I'm seriously sceptical about korab's reveal. largely b/c it has some glaring holes in it.

bottom line being: what good woudl the reveal do, except possibly keeling him alive?
if we lynched Merid, the next day would basically invite an implosion in his team to find the FM. how do any of us picture that?

also, since we still haven't had any deathst that weren't directly related t the card game, how would the FM switch allegiances?
I swear, his reveal would've mademuch more sense if he suggested "one of Craiklyns is the FM". Teh way he phrased it was "hey, let's beat on the faction that''s down, so that my faction can get majority. Oh, btw, i'm the FM finder, so you don't want to kill me, even though I'm playing for my faction to win, despite the fact that the FM is hiding in it. it's not important, because i'l get him later if i'm alive, right now all that's important is that we give my team overwhelming majority, see?"

Even if we take what Korab said at face value, then the FM is on the Merid train pre-revea, or someone that voted Korab postreveal.

Korbas was obviously trying to do some kind of weird test. Yes he could have gone about it differently but after going back and reading the last day and his reveal I tend to believe him. I think that he was mistaken in his way of going about it but that is all.

If we had kept him alive then your right it might have lead to an implosion in the J team. If he was only playing for his faction then why would he do that? If anything it points out that he was really telling the truth about his role. It might be totally possible that the FM can join factions with out taking someone over. Once the FM is in to a faction then he might try to move right up the chain to the second and eventually the captain.

[Osseric]

Omtose, on 06 March 2011 - 01:11 AM, said:

why do you assume that its one of us who is the FM?

it could just of easily been someone who joined the korabas train after the reveal

I want to know why GL was happy to lynch korabas yesturday, but now he's dead is happy to agree with him and try to get the J leader to out himself

slightly suspicious IMHO

did you read my post?
I put down people who voted Merrid pre-reveal and Korabas post-reveal.

@ HP: I'm not fearmongering. those posts were made at the time we were missing a role. If we believe Korabas' reveal, we've had:
5 Jelungas
5 Cracklins
5 Zakalves
1 FM
1 FM hunter.

i'm happy to concede theat there's no cult, now,

[Osseric]

Hood, on 06 March 2011 - 01:45 AM, said:

Merrid, on 05 March 2011 - 07:05 PM, said:

I've just had a thought - if Korabas was telling the truth about the FM switching to Team J, isn't there an obvious solution to the FM?

Captain J needs to fold - and whichever Captain wins needs to cash in the lives wagered for the hand. One of the traded players will be the FM, since he's back at the bottom of the chain on Team J. I realize that might seems suspicious given my supposed allegiance but if I were the Captain I'd do it in a heartbeat. If the rule about "CF is faction only" is really hard and fast, and the FM and the other role are on factions, then we may never really know if we hit the FM or not. In which case, it makes sense to press our advantage wherever it comes.

Back later with more.

Wait so now Korbas was telling the truth. You guys are to much. First he is lying so you lynch him. A revealed finder. Let me restate that especially for Ruse and Barghast. My number one suspects. You lynch a revealed finder. He here is a thought lets just hand the game to the FM. Oh wait you guys basically have already done that. Well done. Well done. It completely blows my mind. Sure Korbas's reasoning for voting is weird but since when do we lynch a fucking revealed finder. That is never ever a good idea.

As for this suggestion. Why that is a brilliant idea especially if your the FM. IF the fm acts like a normal life and gets traded to another team and the J captain folds and Oh I don't know the Z faction ends up winning the hand. Why now the FM will only be a step away from that captain winning. Yes I know that is assuming that he would find out who the captain is. I am also assuming that he would find out like any other life who is above him in rank. The only one would be the captain. While true there are a couple of things wrong with this idea. One being he might not find out.

Now what if K wins. Then the FM is going to go to that faction and what exactly we will be right where we are now. With the FM in a faction AND NO finder to find him. Brilliant reasoning. Oh and I love how you think that it has to be totally obvious that the captains know who are on each team. That wouldn't make this game messed up in any way.

Personally and from what I have managed to get from dibs is that nobody knows shit in this game. Each person seems to know one other and that is it. Which if I was going to balance it is how I would do it. Anything else makes it unbalanced.

Lets see what you might be thinking.

Hmm the J captain has won two hands and probably has a lot of credits piled up. We know this because he keeps raising the bets. 75 on this flop. Which is the most we have seen since the first hand. I have to assume he has a lot more money behind that. Now if he was to fold then either the K captain or the Z captain would be able to get a little bit of breathing room. So I can see why you would suggest that. I just don't think that it would be in the J captains best bet.

except, you're trying to make this sound like the "finder" was playing for the "greater good" of the town. which, guess what? he wasn't.
he was actively pushing a lynch on someone not on his team, playing in the best traditions of a faction game, and when he gotpushed back, he tried to hide behind the "oh, but I'm USEFUL to EVERYONE" card.
tbh, I don't feel bad for that. b/c if he wanted to get the FM out of the way he'd have revealed early in the day, instead of getting an entire team thats NOT the one harboring the FM to reveal itself.

[Hood's Path]

Osseric, on 06 March 2011 - 12:18 AM, said:

of these, HP's post is esp suspicious. he makes a lot of noise saying how he's not trusting anyone, especially Ampelas....and then he votes Merrid based on Ampelas' reveal.

You really are a trip aren't you. I find it much more likely that either Ruse or Barghast are the FM then anyone else. I also love how you first pick several people who voted for Merrid before Korbas revealed then the two who voted for him after his reveal. What about all of the other people who voted for Korabas. You don't find any of them suspicious. Covering much.

Actually of everyone who hung back and waited and waited to vote for Korabas. The one who stands out ( I am surprised that you didn't see this) for me is Ruse. Both Korabas, myself, Silanah all called him out about voting. I think that even Merrid did once to. After all he was on for almost the whole thing and finally only voted after the reveal. But you find me more suspicious then Ruse. Give me a break.

[Hood's Path]

Osseric, on 06 March 2011 - 02:04 AM, said:

Hood, on 06 March 2011 - 01:45 AM, said:

Merrid, on 05 March 2011 - 07:05 PM, said:

I've just had a thought - if Korabas was telling the truth about the FM switching to Team J, isn't there an obvious solution to the FM?

Captain J needs to fold - and whichever Captain wins needs to cash in the lives wagered for the hand. One of the traded players will be the FM, since he's back at the bottom of the chain on Team J. I realize that might seems suspicious given my supposed allegiance but if I were the Captain I'd do it in a heartbeat. If the rule about "CF is faction only" is really hard and fast, and the FM and the other role are on factions, then we may never really know if we hit the FM or not. In which case, it makes sense to press our advantage wherever it comes.

Back later with more.

Wait so now Korbas was telling the truth. You guys are to much. First he is lying so you lynch him. A revealed finder. Let me restate that especially for Ruse and Barghast. My number one suspects. You lynch a revealed finder. He here is a thought lets just hand the game to the FM. Oh wait you guys basically have already done that. Well done. Well done. It completely blows my mind. Sure Korbas's reasoning for voting is weird but since when do we lynch a fucking revealed finder. That is never ever a good idea.

As for this suggestion. Why that is a brilliant idea especially if your the FM. IF the fm acts like a normal life and gets traded to another team and the J captain folds and Oh I don't know the Z faction ends up winning the hand. Why now the FM will only be a step away from that captain winning. Yes I know that is assuming that he would find out who the captain is. I am also assuming that he would find out like any other life who is above him in rank. The only one would be the captain. While true there are a couple of things wrong with this idea. One being he might not find out.

Now what if K wins. Then the FM is going to go to that faction and what exactly we will be right where we are now. With the FM in a faction AND NO finder to find him. Brilliant reasoning. Oh and I love how you think that it has to be totally obvious that the captains know who are on each team. That wouldn't make this game messed up in any way.

Personally and from what I have managed to get from dibs is that nobody knows shit in this game. Each person seems to know one other and that is it. Which if I was going to balance it is how I would do it. Anything else makes it unbalanced.

Lets see what you might be thinking.

Hmm the J captain has won two hands and probably has a lot of credits piled up. We know this because he keeps raising the bets. 75 on this flop. Which is the most we have seen since the first hand. I have to assume he has a lot more money behind that. Now if he was to fold then either the K captain or the Z captain would be able to get a little bit of breathing room. So I can see why you would suggest that. I just don't think that it would be in the J captains best bet.

except, you're trying to make this sound like the "finder" was playing for the "greater good" of the town. which, guess what? he wasn't.
he was actively pushing a lynch on someone not on his team, playing in the best traditions of a faction game, and when he gotpushed back, he tried to hide behind the "oh, but I'm USEFUL to EVERYONE" card.
tbh, I don't feel bad for that. b/c if he wanted to get the FM out of the way he'd have revealed early in the day, instead of getting an entire team thats NOT the one harboring the FM to reveal itself.

Ahh but he was also trying to get the J team to reveal it's self. If you look at it from his point of view he was trying to split the teams to narrow his finds down. I am not saying he was playing for the good of town (faction game no town ). But regardless you did lynch the only one who could find out who exactly the FM is, and the FM is the out side threat to all captain and factions. So yeah I can blame you and everyone else who voted for him. Especially since I didn't.
Righteousness true but you guys did lynch a revealed finder which is a big no no in mafia. So

[Hood's Path]

Also Osseric your suspect list is totally off.



5 Votes for merrid ( korabas, omtose, hood's path, silanah, fener )
7 Votes for korabas ( kalse, galayn lord, merrid, osseric, rashan, barghast, ruse )


You included Omtose, HP, Silanah, but didn't include Fener.

Yeah your filling the thread with all kinds of great nonfearmongering posts.

Ruse's reasons for voting are pathetic (after the reveal) but mine are the most suspect.

[Osseric]

faction games don't work quite like that. if the finder's on the other team, let him hang, says I.

as for why i'm selecting people who voted Merrid pre-reveal, it's simple. pre-revel we were playing a simple "lynch Korabas if you're not Jelunga, lynch Merrid if you are" game. so, everyone who veted Merrid is a potential Jelunga. and well, since Korabas is telling us one of them is the FM.....

otoh, after the reveal, it'd be in the FMs best interest to get rid of the finder. so, all votes for Korabas post-reveal are likely FMs as well.

as for yourself, HP, why did you vote Merrid?

[Hood's Path]

Oh yeah how much earlier would you have liked for him to have revealed? He revealed before he was at l-1 which is what your suppose to do if you want people to believe you. I am sure that he would have rather not had to reveal at all. Thus allowing for him to find the FM. But he felt he had to reveal and so he did it before being at l-1.


Now I am trying to decide whether to vote for Ruse or Barghast. I think that I will think on it some more and then do so.

[Osseric]

Hood, on 06 March 2011 - 02:17 AM, said:

Also Osseric your suspect list is totally off.



5 Votes for merrid ( korabas, omtose, hood's path, silanah, fener )
7 Votes for korabas ( kalse, galayn lord, merrid, osseric, rashan, barghast, ruse )


You included Omtose, HP, Silanah, but didn't include Fener.

Yeah your filling the thread with all kinds of great nonfearmongering posts.

Ruse's reasons for voting are pathetic (after the reveal) but mine are the most suspect.

Fener voted Merrid post-reveal. I don't see the FM not voting for a revealed fider.

[Osseric]

Hood, on 06 March 2011 - 02:17 AM, said:

Also Osseric your suspect list is totally off.



5 Votes for merrid ( korabas, omtose, hood's path, silanah, fener )
7 Votes for korabas ( kalse, galayn lord, merrid, osseric, rashan, barghast, ruse )


You included Omtose, HP, Silanah, but didn't include Fener.

Yeah your filling the thread with all kinds of great nonfearmongering posts.

Ruse's reasons for voting are pathetic (after the reveal) but mine are the most suspect.

seeing as i'm talking about your pre-reveal vote, we're talking about different things here.
what if ruse was team Craclin playing the faction game?

yor righteousness is pathetic, btw. it's a faction game first and foremost. if the finder's on the other side, you lynch him. period.

[Osseric]

Hood, on 06 March 2011 - 02:20 AM, said:

Oh yeah how much earlier would you have liked for him to have revealed? He revealed before he was at l-1 which is what your suppose to do if you want people to believe you. I am sure that he would have rather not had to reveal at all. Thus allowing for him to find the FM. But he felt he had to reveal and so he did it before being at l-1.


Now I am trying to decide whether to vote for Ruse or Barghast. I think that I will think on it some more and then do so.

if he wants to find the FM, instead of wanting team Jelunga to win, reveal early in the day, when the votes weren't cast yet.
instead, he speareaded the Cracklin hunt, and got bitch-slapped by everyone else for it.

why a finder would stir shit up like that is absolutely beyond me, btw.

[Hood's Path]

Osseric, on 06 March 2011 - 02:20 AM, said:

faction games don't work quite like that. if the finder's on the other team, let him hang, says I.

as for why i'm selecting people who voted Merrid pre-reveal, it's simple. pre-revel we were playing a simple "lynch Korabas if you're not Jelunga, lynch Merrid if you are" game. so, everyone who veted Merrid is a potential Jelunga. and well, since Korabas is telling us one of them is the FM.....

otoh, after the reveal, it'd be in the FMs best interest to get rid of the finder. so, all votes for Korabas post-reveal are likely FMs as well.

as for yourself, HP, why did you vote Merrid?

Yeah but you didn't count Fener in your little list so basically you are all kinds of fail.

OH now that is what you are thinking. WOW I wonder where that idea suddenly came from cause it wasn't there earlier. You know when you were lynching a FM finder.

Really is that how you think it works in a faction game with a FM. Give me some more brilliant pointers please.

I voted for Merrid because I'm not a K right now and this game is starting to last a lot longer then Dibs said it would so I figured that I would help to get things going and see what happens.

[Hood's Path]

Osseric, on 06 March 2011 - 02:25 AM, said:

Hood, on 06 March 2011 - 02:20 AM, said:

Oh yeah how much earlier would you have liked for him to have revealed? He revealed before he was at l-1 which is what your suppose to do if you want people to believe you. I am sure that he would have rather not had to reveal at all. Thus allowing for him to find the FM. But he felt he had to reveal and so he did it before being at l-1.


Now I am trying to decide whether to vote for Ruse or Barghast. I think that I will think on it some more and then do so.

if he wants to find the FM, instead of wanting team Jelunga to win, reveal early in the day, when the votes weren't cast yet.
instead, he speareaded the Cracklin hunt, and got bitch-slapped by everyone else for it.

why a finder would stir shit up like that is absolutely beyond me, btw.

YYYYeah that would have been brilliant for him to have revealed earlier in the day. Yeah. Personally if I was a FM finder I wouldn't do that. EVER. Of course if I was him I would have done something else but I can't fault him for doing what he did. If you think about it there is even a certain twisted logic to it.

Anyway it has been brilliant talking to someone I have to go now. But don't let that keep you from posting more incomplete ideas.

Also I light a roughly 8 inch ball of fart gas on fire. Merrid your up.

[Osseric]

Hood, on 06 March 2011 - 02:26 AM, said:

Osseric, on 06 March 2011 - 02:20 AM, said:

faction games don't work quite like that. if the finder's on the other team, let him hang, says I.

as for why i'm selecting people who voted Merrid pre-reveal, it's simple. pre-revel we were playing a simple "lynch Korabas if you're not Jelunga, lynch Merrid if you are" game. so, everyone who veted Merrid is a potential Jelunga. and well, since Korabas is telling us one of them is the FM.....

otoh, after the reveal, it'd be in the FMs best interest to get rid of the finder. so, all votes for Korabas post-reveal are likely FMs as well.

as for yourself, HP, why did you vote Merrid?

Yeah but you didn't count Fener in your little list so basically you are all kinds of fail.

OH now that is what you are thinking. WOW I wonder where that idea suddenly came from cause it wasn't there earlier. You know when you were lynching a FM finder.

Really is that how you think it works in a faction game with a FM. Give me some more brilliant pointers please.

I voted for Merrid because I'm not a K right now and this game is starting to last a lot longer then Dibs said it would so I figured that I would help to get things going and see what happens.

yeah, re-read the thread. when did Fener vote for Merrid? after Korabas revealed. now, if I was the FM and the FM hunter is at L-2, and I can put him at L-1, would I really take the risk he lives and vote someone else?