Iamme, on 02 March 2011 - 10:53 PM, said:
Nimander has Edur blood too. Edur blood has nothing to do with being low born or Nimander is considered low born too?
Isnt he simply the son of Rake and Envy?
Hetan, on 03 March 2011 - 08:40 AM, said:
As for Korlat - well I was pretty convinced that I knew who her father was
implied to be, but now after reading everyone else's theories and posts I'm not so sure.
Mal and I discussed this and he thought the same as me, but this is Erikson after all and he has a way of turning things on their head
So I guess I'll post the relevant parts here for discussion :-
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'Lord, is such the fury of Osseric for you that –'
Commander Kellaras, this is not Osseric's doing. This is not even Father Light's. No, these are children who will have their way. Unless the wound is healed, there will be no end to their efforts.' And then Anomander's eyes found her. 'Hostage,' he murmured, gesturing all the others to leave. He rose from the throne. 'I did not see you there. He released you then – I did not think –'
'No, Lord,' she said, 'he did not release me. He … abandoned me.'
'Hostage Drukorlat –'
'I am a hostage no longer, Lord. I am nothing.'
'What did he do to you?'
But she would not answer that. Could not. He had enough troubles, did he not? Wars upon all sides, armies advancing on Kharkanas. It was dying, all of it. Dying, and in his eyes she could see that he knew it.
'Sandalath Drukorlat.' And with her name he reached out, settled a cool hand upon her brow. And took from her the knowledge he sought. 'No,' he whispered, 'this cannot be.'
She pulled away then, unable to meet his eyes, unwilling to acknowledge the fury now emanating from him.
'I will avenge you.'
Those words could well have driven a spear through her, for the impact they made. She reeled, with pain a raging fire within her. Shaking her head, she staggered away. Avenge? I will have my own vengeance. I swear it.
So she's a hostage, but who was she "hostaged" to? Anomander's war is with the Liosan - was she given to them as a hostage and they broke that trust? Could it have been Osserc or another Liosan?
I don't think she was given to the Edur because her reference to Silchas earlier mentions him being allied with a Tiste Edur prince or maybe a king, which suggests that she doesn't know much about their "court" and if she were a hostage with them then she would have been more clued up.
On the other hand we don't know what Draconus was doing either. We know that Anomander was pretty mad at him about something so was this it? Or did Draconus use the hostage as a way of getting back at Mother Dark for marrying Father Light or was there something else?
Interesting Osserc concept and that did occur to me at first but with the fact that it says 'this is not Ossercs doing' (referring to something else obviosly) and the fact that Osserc and Rake have allowed 'the game' to continue in earlier books. There hasnt been a reason for them to come to absolute anger with each other, like Kily and Draconus say.
As for the Draconus arguement it seems odd that nimander is considered pure, as far as we know, yet he is a union between Rake and Envy which could be considered more diluted than a pure blood Andii and an EG who has taken the form of Andii and is associated with Dark and KG. Saying that we could just be reading too much into this and it could be because she is a child of rape. Though isnt one of the 'new' dragons that arrives with Korlat one of the unwanted children of a priestess's 'ritual' (like Spinnock and that preistess in TTH)? Would they be considered impure?
Mulch, on 03 March 2011 - 10:04 AM, said:
Not finished the book yet, but I can take the odd spoiler ;-)
I've taken to the theory that Tulas Shorn is the father of Korlat.
Rake and Sand's coversation above to mean that she was raped
Tulas and Silchas - conversation on the reasons why Rake killed Tulas
Impure blood may mean impure as in child of rape?
yes this seems to be the confusion. It it on an ancestral level or in the nature of her conception.
Garak, on 03 March 2011 - 10:36 AM, said:
That conversation does seem to imply she was raped. But by whom and who'd be dumb enough to piss off Rake?
Tulas Shorn is a draconin Edur likely as powerful as Ruin or Scabandari maybe even osserc so hed have a good shot.
Essentially there is little to seperate this from whether it is becasue she is a child of rape or because her father wasnt Andii. I tend to favour the rape idea because Nimander is a child of exactly the same mould of EG (ish) and Andii so it seems unlikely that the same ancestry would be frowned upon in the case of Korlat, if we take her father to be Draconus.
If we take it to be Tulas Shorn then that complicates matters.
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