[Morgoth]

Dutch, on 27 February 2011 - 07:14 PM, said:

Lister of Smeg, on 27 February 2011 - 12:32 PM, said:

The line in Hetan's sig is a chapter opener from somewhere near the end of the book.

The thing I mean was that she was using that sig for a while already before TCG was released for the main public.

Think I read somewhere that she had a sample or proof read or how it's called

Or perhaps she's one of SE's alt accounts. Like Malaclypse and Snake0024.

[Dutch]

Findarato, on 27 February 2011 - 07:20 PM, said:

Dutch, on 27 February 2011 - 07:14 PM, said:

Lister of Smeg, on 27 February 2011 - 12:32 PM, said:

The line in Hetan's sig is a chapter opener from somewhere near the end of the book.

The thing I mean was that she was using that sig for a while already before TCG was released for the main public.

Think I read somewhere that she had a sample or proof read or how it's called

I wouldn't call it a spoiler actually. without having read the book, at least I would not be able to understand the meaning of that sentence, or connect it to any character in the book. Now of course it is obvious.

To think more of it, I'd rather call it a teaser

When I read the line in TCG, I was like I have seen this before somewhere on the forum and then realization dawned that it was even before the "early" release of the book.

[Panador]

Btw, any more information on who Korlat's father is? Hetan teased on the first page that apparently she knew but wouldn't tell until others had joined the discussion, which they did. Yet I don't think anyone else has found out who the father is, other than some speculation, possibly Tulas Shorn. Anything concrete yet?

This post has been edited by Panador: 28 February 2011 - 02:49 PM

[Lister of Smeg]

I'm pretty sure it is Draconus, though Shorn is also possible. It certainly isn't an Andii anyway.

[Panador]

If Draconus was her father she would be a Demigoddess or something like that, nothing like that has ever been mentioned. Also I can't see Draconus shagging Sandalath, a Hostage, while he's steady with Mother Dark.

[Findarato]

Agree with you. With Tulas as her father she would be more powerful than she is, as well. so I have no other clue. Maybe some other Edur we don't know, although I find that rather hard to believe.

[tiam]

Seen as everyone ignored my crazy Talon theory earlier...

Id say Draconus is too much of a push for Korlat father though it would explain how she became a draconic soletaken, though I do remember a Sandalath POV were she claims that Korlat drank in the wake of Anomander so Im not sure thats relevant. Tulas Shorn is a good bet given it seems that Rake killed Shorn for an unexplained reason and the only evidence is is that Sandalath was raped, which caused Rake to go on a rampage.

I dont know. Alot of unanswered questions. I think either QB or Icarium should have been explained but at the very least Ruthan Gudd should have been.

[slickwillyt]

Hello everyone. This is my first post...love the books and this site. I've lost count of my rereads of the first nine books, and really enjoyed TCG. That being said, I have a question about the House of Chains members in this book. It is driving me nuts and I'm sure I overlooked something obvious, but I've given up...

Spoiler

At one point (page 493 hardcover) the Unbound are talking about the House and mention that all members except for the King (Skinner) and Knight (Karsa) are with them at this point.

This leaves (I'm fairly sure)...

Consort - Tavore
Cripple - Banaschar
Leper - Hedge
Seven of the Dead Fires - Unbound (of course)
Reaver - ????? "There are two faces. One man. One woman." - drawing a total blank.

I know the Reaver used to be Kallor...I had a few weak theories about the new Reaver(s), but any help (and directions towards the evidence that I may have missed) would be appreciated.

And I hope I did the spoiler thing right - sorry if I didn't.

[ShadowRaven]

slickwillyt, on 28 February 2011 - 08:29 PM, said:

Hello everyone. This is my first post...love the books and this site. I've lost count of my rereads of the first nine books, and really enjoyed TCG. That being said, I have a question about the House of Chains members in this book. It is driving me nuts and I'm sure I overlooked something obvious, but I've given up...

Spoiler

At one point (page 493 hardcover) the Unbound are talking about the House and mention that all members except for the King (Skinner) and Knight (Karsa) are with them at this point.

This leaves (I'm fairly sure)...

Consort - Tavore
Cripple - Banaschar
Leper - Hedge
Seven of the Dead Fires - Unbound (of course)
Reaver - ????? "There are two faces. One man. One woman." - drawing a total blank.

I know the Reaver used to be Kallor...I had a few weak theories about the new Reaver(s), but any help (and directions towards the evidence that I may have missed) would be appreciated.

And I hope I did the spoiler thing right - sorry if I didn't.

I don't think the spoiler tags are needed anymore, but anyways here is my take on it:

My first guess for Reaver was Koryk and Smiles since they pair up a lot and usually get a pretty high bodycount from the enemies, but their cooperation wasn't emphasized in tCG that much so not sure. My current guess would be Lostara Yil due to Cotillion possessing her earlier, thus the man and woman faces (or maybe her and Henar share the position).

Oh, and there's also the Fool, "the threat from within" (Blistig maybe?)

[Panador]

Blistig... oh god how I wish he had been killed. Total shame where the character went. Really, really liked him in the beginning and then he went to hell. After Tavore's explanation I grudgingly agree with her decision not to demote/kill him but goddamn I hated him in the end.

[slickwillyt]

ShadowRaven, on 28 February 2011 - 09:02 PM, said:

slickwillyt, on 28 February 2011 - 08:29 PM, said:

Hello everyone. This is my first post...love the books and this site. I've lost count of my rereads of the first nine books, and really enjoyed TCG. That being said, I have a question about the House of Chains members in this book. It is driving me nuts and I'm sure I overlooked something obvious, but I've given up...

Spoiler

At one point (page 493 hardcover) the Unbound are talking about the House and mention that all members except for the King (Skinner) and Knight (Karsa) are with them at this point.

This leaves (I'm fairly sure)...

Consort - Tavore
Cripple - Banaschar
Leper - Hedge
Seven of the Dead Fires - Unbound (of course)
Reaver - ????? "There are two faces. One man. One woman." - drawing a total blank.

I know the Reaver used to be Kallor...I had a few weak theories about the new Reaver(s), but any help (and directions towards the evidence that I may have missed) would be appreciated.

And I hope I did the spoiler thing right - sorry if I didn't.

I don't think the spoiler tags are needed anymore, but anyways here is my take on it:

My first guess for Reaver was Koryk and Smiles since they pair up a lot and usually get a pretty high bodycount from the enemies, but their cooperation wasn't emphasized in tCG that much so not sure. My current guess would be Lostara Yil due to Cotillion possessing her earlier, thus the man and woman faces (or maybe her and Henar share the position).

Oh, and there's also the Fool, "the threat from within" (Blistig maybe?)

Thanks...yeah, I forgot to list the Fool...definitely Blistig as far as I'm concerned. I was thinking of Lostara and Henar for a bit...totally forgot about the Cotillion angle. i was basing any other guesses strictly off of body count...Smiles, Koryk, Throatslitter?, Skulldeath?

[Aptorian]

Wait was these reading in a deck or people who held the "actual" position, because normally, anything but the King/Queen and Knight is in flux. At one point Kallor was the reaver.

[ShadowRaven]

Clockwork Apt, on 28 February 2011 - 09:57 PM, said:

Wait was these reading in a deck or people who held the "actual" position, because normally, anything but the King/Queen and Knight is in flux. At one point Kallor was the reaver.

Earlier on the Unbound state that the people filling the positions for the moment are in the army, but near the end when the Adjunct goes to plant her sword on the mound, Fiddler draws out the cards showing them from the Deck of Dragons. But the whole permanent positions vs. cards thing is still pretty unclear so can't say for sure.

[Dutch]

ShadowRaven, on 28 February 2011 - 10:18 PM, said:

Clockwork Apt, on 28 February 2011 - 09:57 PM, said:

Wait was these reading in a deck or people who held the "actual" position, because normally, anything but the King/Queen and Knight is in flux. At one point Kallor was the reaver.

Earlier on the Unbound state that the people filling the positions for the moment are in the army, but near the end when the Adjunct goes to plant her sword on the mound, Fiddler draws out the cards showing them from the Deck of Dragons. But the whole permanent positions vs. cards thing is still pretty unclear so can't say for sure.

Didn't Fiddler destroy most of the cards except for the House of Chains when he started a fire to cook for Tavore?

[Findarato]

Dutch, on 28 February 2011 - 10:47 PM, said:

ShadowRaven, on 28 February 2011 - 10:18 PM, said:

Clockwork Apt, on 28 February 2011 - 09:57 PM, said:

Wait was these reading in a deck or people who held the "actual" position, because normally, anything but the King/Queen and Knight is in flux. At one point Kallor was the reaver.

Earlier on the Unbound state that the people filling the positions for the moment are in the army, but near the end when the Adjunct goes to plant her sword on the mound, Fiddler draws out the cards showing them from the Deck of Dragons. But the whole permanent positions vs. cards thing is still pretty unclear so can't say for sure.

Didn't Fiddler destroy most of the cards except for the House of Chains when he started a fire to cook for Tavore?

That's what he did.

[D'rek]

Assuming a similarity between the nature of Reaver and the Knight or Champion-like cards of other houses, I thought Reaver was in reference to Lostara and Ruthan Gudd, the two powerful more-than-mere-mortals in the army. Though they don't pair up personality-wise, they are used very symmetrically, both Tavore's staff and usually flanking her sides.

[MTS]

D, on 01 March 2011 - 01:06 AM, said:

Assuming a similarity between the nature of Reaver and the Knight or Champion-like cards of other houses, I thought Reaver was in reference to Lostara and Ruthan Gudd, the two powerful more-than-mere-mortals in the army. Though they don't pair up personality-wise, they are used very symmetrically, both Tavore's staff and usually flanking her sides.

Yep, that's the conclusion I came to as well. The other combinations of man and woman that I could think of (Oponn, Grub/Sinn, Twilight/The Watch) just didn't make sense.

[Ceda Cicero]

I'm still not clear on Korlat's parentage on her paternal side... I'm leaning towards Draconus because, in the instance when Sand mistakes Nimander for Anomander, the first thing she wants to know is where his sword is - and she specifically thinks of it as the sword that he used to kill Draconus. She then goes on to belabor this point a few times in her delusional state - as if something about Anomander killing Draconus had enormous personal import for her. This would fit with Draconus possibly fathering a child on Sand = Korlat.


Still I'm curious to hear more thoughts around this. In particular, Hetan, early in the thread you seemed to think you had a pretty clear idea about it but wanted to wait until others had joined the discussion before sounding off. Am I on the right track with my thinking around Draconus, or no?

[Traveller]

Sorry, I didn't want to start another thread, but I'm about two thirds of the way through, and I have a question concerning Nimander and the Tiste Andii...

..like, where the hell is he, with all the other Tiste Andii, while the Shake are defending the Shore? Early on in the book, Nimander is described as being in the Palace - so where is Sandalath? On the throne, which I assume is in the Palace? So why does it take so damn long for them TA to even notice this colossal massacre going on?

I've read the end of that chapter now, which ended with them finally taking out the Liosan - but I still don't get why they seemed to be isolated entirely from Withal and Sand for the best part of the book, when they were all supposedly in Karkanas. (I know Silanah needed to be released by the Queen beofre she would take part, but it doesn't explain the lack of TA round Sand in the throne room, or outside battling Liosan).

Better late than never? They could have saved Yedan, couldn't they?

Please no spoilers from last third of book, just quote this one so I won't read any other posts. Thanks!

[Iamme]

Why would Korlat call herself low born? If she is low born, what about Nimander (son of Envy). Isn't he part Edur too? Unless it's not about the race, but about the kind of person her father was or how she was born?