[Varan]

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I guess korlat was a child of rape, from the scence with yan tovis, and plus one of sand's flashback's when rake ask's what has he done to you, still cant work out who 'he' is, maybe scab? But rake said he'd avenge it, so guessing he would of done it...



But the whole andii arc from the hints dropped in TCG sounds like it'll be very interesting.. And the hostage thing confuses me, when son of light asks for it, you'd guess andii and liosan traded prisoners, but that whole idea falls apart cos sand was kept in karkahanas, will be interesting to see how that gets resolved in the next set of books..

[Urizen]

 Varan, on 19 February 2011 - 12:04 PM, said:

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I guess korlat was a child of rape, from the scence with yan tovis, and plus one of sand's flashback's when rake ask's what has he done to you, still cant work out who 'he' is, maybe scab? But rake said he'd avenge it, so guessing he would of done it...



But the whole andii arc from the hints dropped in TCG sounds like it'll be very interesting.. And the hostage thing confuses me, when son of light asks for it, you'd guess andii and liosan traded prisoners, but that whole idea falls apart cos sand was kept in karkahanas, will be interesting to see how that gets resolved in the next set of books..

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Now that I have read the book I think Tulas was Korlat's dad, what with Rake promising to avenge Sand, and Silchas/Tulas coming to the conclusion that it was Rake that killed Tulas.

About the Kharkanas trilogy, Do we know when it will take place? will it be post-TCG or will it show the Andii before MD turned away?

[Varan]

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I just to note, the way the whole Dassem, t'lan and Lorn thing got wrapped up was insane, can't believe that it stretched all the way back to GotM,

Also was slightly surprised that tay didnt show up, kinda of figured QB would of pulled him out of wherever he was..

Edit: Im fairly sure it was well before the whole malazan cycle, with the MD turning away,,

This post has been edited by Varan: 19 February 2011 - 07:30 PM

[Varan]

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Another thing,

QB has the the andii sceptre, and is having a one sided conv with MD early on in the book, but that never really got resolved really, just me or anyone else thinking that particular wizards story is far from over? And i bet he turns up in the kharkanas trilogy somehow..

[Tapper]

Well, finished it after much fast reading and not enough proper analysis and savouring, so a re-read is in short order.

Must say I really enjoyed it. It is a real emotional ride, there are many, many highs and very few lows in quality, and it is a fitting end to the main story arc. Simply put, it is amazing. 9.5 out of 10 and the remaining 0.49 required to raise it to godly will probably be added when people smarter than me answer the questions I have and the things I didn't even notice.

Still, one or two issues I have...

the Liosan invasion.

Spoiler

Whatever his name was (The Son of Light?) and his merry band of Soletaken, soldiers and peasants invaded Karkhanas in what was described as an everlasting conflict between dark and light.

Now, Karkhanas had been empty for milennia, so why didn't they take it then?
Sure, Rake may have rushed back into Karkhanas if it ever came under sustained attack, so one could count it as defended.
Then again, he was happy to leave it empty, he had left it long before SR and Scabandari escaped it, after all, and the Liosan were hot on their heels there and then, so they probably controlled Karkhanas at that point in time. So, why did they leave Karkhanas unoccupied?

And even if we assume the Liosan had no-one capable of taking on Rake, so the Son of Light considered it sensible tactics to wait as long as while Rake was around, why did they wait with their actual invasion until after the Shake arrived?

Secondly, the ending paragraphs. Do they fit MBotF? Yes and no. Mostly yes though.

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I never expected these, so yeah, I would call those a bit of a weird point for the series, not because of their quality, as I liked a great many of them, but I had expected SE to leave those threads dangling instead of adding the happy-happy scenes.

That being said, I really liked the cycle where Cots and ST show up on the Itko Kan coast, Hounds at their heels. I liked SE finishing Apsalar's tale, instead of ICE doing that or leaving it open.
Onos Toolan... that man had been on the worst possible ride for much of the series, and even if the end there was a tad bit too sugary with Hetan returning, well, I can handle that. Fiddler sitting on the dock of the bay was kinda awesome, another cycle starts - and yet, it does not, for he answers differently and does not try to change the world.

Now the major questions.

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The gods of war. I am still not sure what was supposed to happen there, and probably the speed at which I read caused most of that confusion. Gruntle dies, but does Trake die with him, or is it 'just' the Mortal Sword? I'm not sure at all, but story wise, I think the first makes more sense, as it leaves Wu without gods of war, seeing how Fener bites it as well and the Wolves get muzzled (and one of them killed, or at the least, its manifestation) and are shown as an impotent force that is only harnessed by the will and mind of their human believers. I wonder if this lack of a war-god sets up the Toblakai trilogy.

Second:

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Tiam and the ferals. Do I read it correctly that she didn't come out of SD, but was summoned? Also, where did all the ferals hide in SD? SR travelled through it, and then it was empty. The Hust legion apparently killed a shitload of them, but SR also said there was nothing for the ferals there to sustain themselves on. He might have been wrong, he might have been lying, it might be both, but... if SD was truely alive that much, and the ferals could first sniff out the gate to SD opening/cracking, and then sense Korabas from a distance, I figured Silchas as Eleint-blooded would have acted as a lodestone for the ferals present there and then, but in RG there was nothing like that.

Third:

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is it me, or did SE try a bit too much to make even the in DoD newly foreshadowed Nuclear Weapon of Mindless World Destruction^TM Korabas into a creature worthy of sympathy? I understand she was vital to all the plans made by ST, Cots, QB, Mael and K'rul, but I'm not sure a feral dragon locked up forever and probably mindlessly insane and fighting for her life for every beat of her wings can muster that kind of thought without suiciding immediately.

[Panador]

Ok, whatever, let's do spoilers...

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Afaik even the Andii were unable to enter Kurald Galain when Mother Dark was turned away (which is why Clip's portals were such a big deal) so I assume Galain was pretty much closed shut. Guess the details on the connection to Lightfall, the connection between Galain/Liosan somehow also made it impossible for the Liosan to enter Galain.

The way I understood it Trake died with Gruntle. I think a major theme (that only became apparent rather late in the series) was the ... end of War, starting with the Gods of War. Whether ending the Gods of War will end all War remains to be seen, seems a rather simplistic notion imo. But with the Crippled God removed, a major source of conflict, the card Salvation on the rise, the Gods of War ended, Karsa wanting to end civilization and all its oppression .... maybe we'll be seeing an extended period of peace in the Malazan world?

Well, the SR-party wasn't long in Starvald Demelain, maybe the Ferals were just too far away. Or, dragons being manifestations of chaos more or less, they simply came into being with the release of Khorabas? Khorabas, Otataral, seems to be aligned with Order and imo balance is a big theme in the Malazan world (e.g. Father Light having to turn away when MD did; "always an even trade", ...) so imo that doesn't seem totally impossible. At least the Non-Ancients could have been created that way. Where the Ancients hid... no clue. Asleep? *shrug*

I'm fine with Khorabas being made into a victim worthy of sympathy, same for the Crippled God. Yeah, it goes against what we were first told but I'll just see it that way - we were put into the shoes of most of the people in this universe, not knowing the (whole) truth, merely a first impression. Khorabas simply by her existence destroys our world, a decidedly reprehensible act. But later we learn that she was... turned... into this devastating ... thing against her will, or created this way, neither of which was her fault.

What I DO have a (small) problem with is the thought that apparently all those seemingly benign Ascendants, including Rake, are not made out to have cruelly and repeatedly chained the Fallen One. On the other hand Mael seems nice because we mainly see him being cool with Tehol etc. On the other hand his chosen servant, the Jhistal, did all those horrible things. Guess nothing is just black and white there...

This post has been edited by Panador: 23 February 2011 - 01:25 PM

[MTS]

 Tapper, on 23 February 2011 - 12:51 PM, said:

Well, finished it after much fast reading and not enough proper analysis and savouring, so a re-read is in short order.

Must say I really enjoyed it. It is a real emotional ride, there are many, many highs and very few lows in quality, and it is a fitting end to the main story arc. Simply put, it is amazing. 9.5 out of 10 and the remaining 0.49 required to raise it to godly will probably be added when people smarter than me answer the questions I have and the things I didn't even notice.

Still, one or two issues I have...

the Liosan invasion.

Spoiler

Whatever his name was (The Son of Light?) and his merry band of Soletaken, soldiers and peasants invaded Karkhanas in what was described as an everlasting conflict between dark and light.

Now, Karkhanas had been empty for milennia, so why didn't they take it then?
Sure, Rake may have rushed back into Karkhanas if it ever came under sustained attack, so one could count it as defended.
Then again, he was happy to leave it empty, he had left it long before SR and Scabandari escaped it, after all, and the Liosan were hot on their heels there and then, so they probably controlled Karkhanas at that point in time. So, why did they leave Karkhanas unoccupied?

And even if we assume the Liosan had no-one capable of taking on Rake, so the Son of Light considered it sensible tactics to wait as long as while Rake was around, why did they wait with their actual invasion until after the Shake arrived?

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I was thinking this too, and unless I missed it, I don't know why they couldn't just make more than one tiny breach in Lightfall, as it made the Shake's defense a lot easier than it could've been.

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Secondly, the ending paragraphs. Do they fit MBotF? Yes and no. Mostly yes though.

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I never expected these, so yeah, I would call those a bit of a weird point for the series, not because of their quality, as I liked a great many of them, but I had expected SE to leave those threads dangling instead of adding the happy-happy scenes.

That being said, I really liked the cycle where Cots and ST show up on the Itko Kan coast, Hounds at their heels. I liked SE finishing Apsalar's tale, instead of ICE doing that or leaving it open.
Onos Toolan... that man had been on the worst possible ride for much of the series, and even if the end there was a tad bit too sugary with Hetan returning, well, I can handle that. Fiddler sitting on the dock of the bay was kinda awesome, another cycle starts - and yet, it does not, for he answers differently and does not try to change the world.

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Personally, I thought having Hetan return kinda ruined the emotional impact of her death, which is one of the saddest and most horrific deaths in the series. It's exactly the same with the Bridgeburners. It would've been just as good if he'd met up with his children, and not skirting with deus ex machina since his children are all, you know, alive. I fully agree with the rest though.

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Second:

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Tiam and the ferals. Do I read it correctly that she didn't come out of SD, but was summoned? Also, where did all the ferals hide in SD? SR travelled through it, and then it was empty. The Hust legion apparently killed a shitload of them, but SR also said there was nothing for the ferals there to sustain themselves on. He might have been wrong, he might have been lying, it might be both, but... if SD was truely alive that much, and the ferals could first sniff out the gate to SD opening/cracking, and then sense Korabas from a distance, I figured Silchas as Eleint-blooded would have acted as a lodestone for the ferals present there and then, but in RG there was nothing like that.

Spoiler

We saw them in RG, I believe, all those 'dead' dragons when they enter SD. When Cots comments on the desiccated state of the three dragons in Shadow Edgewalker said 'Flesh, skin, they are raiment. Worn or cast off as it suits them.' What was more confusing to me is that it's said more than three dragons and the blood of the Eleint starts to take them over and they become mindless, like the four Liosan in Saranas. Yet many times we see more than three acting in cohesion and not going bugnuts crazy, the Tiste Andii and Silanah being the first example, the twelve pure-blooded dragons who are said to have annihilated the KCCM after they uttered the death curse being a second. I know there were more in TCG but I can't remember them.

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Third:

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is it me, or did SE try a bit too much to make even the in DoD newly foreshadowed Nuclear Weapon of Mindless World Destruction^TM Korabas into a creature worthy of sympathy? I understand she was vital to all the plans made by ST, Cots, QB, Mael and K'rul, but I'm not sure a feral dragon locked up forever and probably mindlessly insane and fighting for her life for every beat of her wings can muster that kind of thought without suiciding immediately.

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No, I agree with you there. I also think the Crippled God's character had a bit of a 180 personality-wise, it was a bit jarring compared with the other times we've seen him, where he's been callous, cruel and spiteful.

I really want to see someone paint the scene where:

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Hood is atop the Spire and he's looking at Gu'Rull standing over the Crippled God's heart. That has the potential to be an epic scene. Someone needs to paint the Watch killing Aparal Forge as well, that was so awesome.

This post has been edited by MTS: 23 February 2011 - 01:33 PM

[chaosek]

On T'iam:

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T'iam isn't an entity upon herself, she's made from all the dragons who are acting as one. Something like a very big D'Ivers. So she didn't come out of SD, but all the dragons did and together they form T'iam. Loved what T'iam actually is. It explains the comments about Olar Ethil begetting herself and Osserec 'calling her sister after having sex with her'. Those two are two pure breds who for one reason or the other come loose from the entity that is T'iam which is hunderds of mindless dragons.
It also makes sense how Rake killed T'iam. He didn't actually kill her (I think) but when he closed the gate to SD and chained the ortataral dragon he made sure there would be no more T'iam. And it explains why she never dies (there were always more dragons).

T'iam is one of the highlights of the series I think.

On the Liosan:

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I think it's all about fate/ coincidence. The Liosan had just discoverde an imposter on the throne, FL wasn't coming back, Osserec was lost and they lost fate. At the moment the wanted to act the shake happened to be there as was fortold by Gallan. So they didn't wait for the shake to be there, but they were there when they decided to attack. So much in this series is about events that are seemingly random or a coincidence, so this adds nicely to it.

What confused me was all this talk about a king of the city of light (to whom Kallor talks). Is this FL? Osserec or another person? Also as with a lot of things ICE gave the impression Osserec could play a role, but in the end he didn't. Also the abcense of FL is odd, as there must be balance and MD is back. But all in all I found the Liosan story line pretty pointless. Or to put it in another way, I missed their point.

On the gods of war:

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there is no need for gods of war, humans can do pretty well on their own. I think that was the point, not the coming of peace anytime soon. We seem to have one wolf left and I'm not sure Trake died cause of the braclets that Picker gets again, but this could be earlier in the timeline. Feel sorry for the Wolves though. Maybe now there is only one again without her lover. Actually when I first read the Wolves we're the betrayal, I felt sorry for them, cause I knew it wouldn't end well, humans always beat wolves

On the end:

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Hetan was awefull. I stopped reading for the day when I got there (also because that storyline was done). SE also didn't kill of his darlings. Paran, Fiddler, Tavore, Lostara, Brys, etc. at least some of them should have died. Also in the end Fiddler takes out the house of chains and Leper is all sweaty. He says something like 'sorry Hedge', but Hedge lives on anyway. Kind of odd. All in all I found the end to be too much 'Hello Kitty' but since I would not have expected that from SE it could be his intention

Can't give the book more than a 7 though, it wasn't that good. But maybe that will change over time.

[Panador]

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Imo the king is not FL. Just think, there's a throne in Kharkanas as well, who sat upon it? Rake at one point. With all the talk about royalty etc. there was a "real" king probably although we have no clue who that was. Sandalath not liking Korlat due to her low birth (not a problem Orfantal had so Sandalath must be "not of low birth" but Korlat's father was, Orfantal's was not) also puts her as royalty/high-born/whatever. Still resent that move though. True, we don't know tons about Sandalath but this disliking Korlat and only loving Orfantal struck me as a major problem with her established character.

This Son of Light was more or less the equivalent of Rake, Ruin etc. At first I was confused myself, what about Osserc, L'oric his son, how does all this fit together. Still not entirely sure but if anything I'd put this new SoL on the same "level" (although not as powerful, mature, intelligent, powerful etc.) as Rake, Osser, Ruin, etc. so higher than L'oric.

I'm fine with the "darlings" not dying, so many other important and good, nice characters did. Honestly, we only get hints at Tavore's ... sacrifice.. for her troops, her purpose, everything, death nearly pales in comparison imho. Could have seen Lostara Yil die though, possibly together with her new boytoy. Brys would also have made sense, although maybe not in the way it nearly happened. Ganoes is the Master of the Deck and already very poweful and getting even more so imo. Not long till he's a "real" god in his own right imo, so totally fine with me that he didn't die.
Hetan was a bad move though imo, agree there. SE actually did the decent thing with Korlat and Whiskeyjack, he's dead, he'll stay dead, but he'll wait for her. Could have done the same thing for Hetan and Tool. The "these are not my feet" line actually gave me the creeps for a sec though. o.o
I like the family being together again, happy etc. essentially but it just should not have happened there, the hobbling was too severe an event to be simply done away with. Hard as it is, it should have ended there for her, possibly with the promise of them being reunited in Death.

About the 180 the Crippled God did - apparently he knew about Tavore being intent on helping him, he sent his Unbound to her after all. I don't recall us hearing about any other recent exploits of the Crippled God, there was some business with Skinner usurping the House of Chains or something (havent read RotCG yet), Kallor shirking his duties or whatever. Maybe after learning about Tavore being intent on freeing/helping him and realizing the reasons, the consequences and all that this change of heart started, while still chained, broken etc. he couldn't bring himself to do any more though. After actually seeing all this done for him, his heart retrieved, his body restored - sort of - etc. I get it that he'd be at least thankful, humbled. Also, at least to me it seemed that his followers' souls were following a more or less benign god, for all we know the Fallen One was a "nice" good in his realm and maybe this is merely a return to his actual nature.

I would have actually loved for Kruppe and his daughters to meet up and live together. Just imagine the possibilities. ^^ Kruppe dealing with and raising two younger, female versions of himself. Oh god... I'm sort of ashamed to say I was actually surprised that Kruppe knew of his daughters, I thought he didn't know and would be, for once, be totally surprised when finally meeting them. Well, stupid me, it's Kruppe we're talking about after all. ^^

This post has been edited by Panador: 23 February 2011 - 03:24 PM

[mayhem]

 MTS, on 23 February 2011 - 01:30 PM, said:

 Tapper, on 23 February 2011 - 12:51 PM, said:

the Liosan invasion.

Spoiler

Whatever his name was (The Son of Light?) and his merry band of Soletaken, soldiers and peasants invaded Karkhanas in what was described as an everlasting conflict between dark and light.

Now, Karkhanas had been empty for milennia, so why didn't they take it then?
Sure, Rake may have rushed back into Karkhanas if it ever came under sustained attack, so one could count it as defended.
Then again, he was happy to leave it empty, he had left it long before SR and Scabandari escaped it, after all, and the Liosan were hot on their heels there and then, so they probably controlled Karkhanas at that point in time. So, why did they leave Karkhanas unoccupied?

And even if we assume the Liosan had no-one capable of taking on Rake, so the Son of Light considered it sensible tactics to wait as long as while Rake was around, why did they wait with their actual invasion until after the Shake arrived?

Spoiler

I was thinking this too, and unless I missed it, I don't know why they couldn't just make more than one tiny breach in Lightfall, as it made the Shake's defense a lot easier than it could've been.

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The story merges two separate invasions, one which Anomander fought off earlier. Presumably something happened then to seal the pathways in and out of Darkness and protect the city, which I saw as MD turning away.
So the Shake and TL both started moving at the same time after MD returns, hence the convergence that puts the Shake back on the shore at the right time.
They couldn't make more than one breach, because where they were entering was an existing pathway. Its the difference between storming a gate and tunnelling through a wall.
The TL speak of a Wedding Gate, built to commemorate the union between MD & FL, which implies the route was a known path between realms.

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Second:

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Tiam and the ferals. Do I read it correctly that she didn't come out of SD, but was summoned? Also, where did all the ferals hide in SD? SR travelled through it, and then it was empty. The Hust legion apparently killed a shitload of them, but SR also said there was nothing for the ferals there to sustain themselves on. He might have been wrong, he might have been lying, it might be both, but... if SD was truely alive that much, and the ferals could first sniff out the gate to SD opening/cracking, and then sense Korabas from a distance, I figured Silchas as Eleint-blooded would have acted as a lodestone for the ferals present there and then, but in RG there was nothing like that.

Spoiler

We saw them in RG, I believe, all those 'dead' dragons when they enter SD. When Cots comments on the desiccated state of the three dragons in Shadow Edgewalker said 'Flesh, skin, they are raiment. Worn or cast off as it suits them.' What was more confusing to me is that it's said more than three dragons and the blood of the Eleint starts to take them over and they become mindless, like the four Liosan in Saranas. Yet many times we see more than three acting in cohesion and not going bugnuts crazy, the Tiste Andii and Silanah being the first example, the twelve pure-blooded dragons who are said to have annihilated the KCCM after they uttered the death curse being a second. I know there were more in TCG but I can't remember them.

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Its not so much that they go crazy, as they tend to join the swarm of the most dominant personality, generally that of the 'Ancients'. They mention that the Ancients can work together in small groups, but once they hit critical mass the swarm starts to take over, which triggers the creation of T'iam, as a multiheaded all powerful super combining robot force, as we saw happening right before Korabas arrives at the barrow.
I view the TA working with Silanah in GoTM as acting in a swarm, as it is made clear during the battle for Kharkanas that Silanah will take control of any other elient in her vincinity that she wants to.

[mayhem]

 chaosek, on 17 February 2011 - 10:05 PM, said:

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The CG's flesh from stonewielder would have tied in with the story ot tCG nicely. It's not really a ' problem' but more of a minor letdown as it would have been nice to have that tied together. I actually expected the stormriders to walk into one of the many thight battles, especially when the Perish ships get attacked in the harbor near the Spire and Omtose being back and all. Also Ruthan Gudd. So nothing big but a missed chance in my opinion.

Spoiler

Agreed, Although there is mention of 'Mounted warriors, glimmering green and blue' tracking Mael, K'rul & the CG at the end

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Spoiler

Hetan is laid down in a sack nearby just before Fener dies. I'm pretty sure the Jaghut were still undead.

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Still trying to find this bit, and I read that part repeatedly. Hetan coming back is really the only thing that seemed clunky, the happy ending I don't object to, I just can't see how she gets from dead at the edge of the wastelands to the battle site.
Although Toc definitely has something to do with it, with his cheshire cat style salute to Tool afterwards

[Aptorian]

 chaosek, on 17 February 2011 - 10:05 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure the Jaghut were still undead.

Nope, both Hood and the 14 come back to life, and like the Imass, they are pretty annoyed by that because being mortal makes them vulnerable... to death.

[MTS]

 Clockwork Apt, on 27 February 2011 - 10:07 AM, said:

 chaosek, on 17 February 2011 - 10:05 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure the Jaghut were still undead.

Nope, both Hood and the 14 come back to life, and like the Imass, they are pretty annoyed by that because being mortal makes them vulnerable... to death.

Apt is right. Unlike Hood they laugh about it though.

Heh, still love that line:
*comes back to life, looks up to thousands of screaming soldiers*
'This gift is...untimely.'

[Dutch]

Hetan, did you have a spoiler (or perhaps not a real spoiler, but I have no clue how how to call it else) under our noses the whole time, or was that Gothos Folly line mentioned before in a different book?

[Lister of Smeg]

The line in Hetan's sig is a chapter opener from somewhere near the end of the book.

[Panador]

Yeah, I remember reading that line and thinking that's pretty damn awesome. ^^

Chapter 21, page 615 in the Bantam Press 921 pages version. No clue what others there are.

This post has been edited by Panador: 27 February 2011 - 06:23 PM

[tiam]

Just a thought

TCG is dead. Elemental powers cant die so were told. EG are elementals and Cotillion, since BH I think, has been looking for a way to kill him. Yet Olar Ethil gets dropped by Torrent, Kily (like a bitch I might add given that her goal is to slay dragons) is killed by a draconic Draconus, though I may have read that wrong as hes not a dragon one time and seems to be later. My point is that once there whole on Wu, as an entity, they can be killed. They get round this alot by being undead or ethereal but as a physical manifestation we see they can be killed.

TCG (Book) was all about turning TCG (character) into a substantive form. A focus on redemption throughout the book culminating in a 180 turnaround for his character. If SE had let him go at the end it would have been odd (although given everyones survival, Hetan's anti hobbling and the themes of sunshine and lollipops near the end I was surprised, anyway) but the book had built up to it. We have the Bonehunters marching to save a god, because he was unfairly imprisoned.

But just before he's about to be released (even though his 'soul' seems to vanish upwards afterwards) Cotillion stabs him, the only real point during the entire series hes ever had the opportunity. I at least got the impression afterwards that Cotillion may have been acting on his own in this. Furthermore the Adjunct turns out to be a Talon, a potential agent of Cotillion. We see conversations between ST an the CG about him not wanting to be betrayed but it seems that Cotillion, through the Adjunct, might have been playing his own game. After the deed ST agrees with Cotillions decision. Therefore could the betrayal not have been the Adjunct herself? Betraying their goal, as an agent of the Talon, for Cotillion? It would be a nice twist if it was...


TL:DR? The adjunct was the betrayer as a Talon

This post has been edited by tiam: 27 February 2011 - 06:41 PM

[ShadowRaven]

I could be wrong, but this is essentially how I saw it: The Crippled God does die in a sense, but Cots "kills" him to enable him to re-ascend, and get back into godhood and into a form where he can travel back into his home realm. A few pages before the stabbing scene someone comments that since the body they make for tCG is mortal flesh, he won't be able to return to his home with the Jade Giants in that form. Thus he needs to be "killed" for the jade light to take him up. That's why Koryk is sad thinking the god dies and the others state it will take a while for him to figure it out.

The apparent indestructability also explains Cotillions "Can't win but do not need to lose" comments too.

[Dutch]

 Lister of Smeg, on 27 February 2011 - 12:32 PM, said:

The line in Hetan's sig is a chapter opener from somewhere near the end of the book.

The thing I mean was that she was using that sig for a while already before TCG was released for the main public.

Think I read somewhere that she had a sample or proof read or how it's called

[Findarato]

 Dutch, on 27 February 2011 - 07:14 PM, said:

 Lister of Smeg, on 27 February 2011 - 12:32 PM, said:

The line in Hetan's sig is a chapter opener from somewhere near the end of the book.

The thing I mean was that she was using that sig for a while already before TCG was released for the main public.

Think I read somewhere that she had a sample or proof read or how it's called

I wouldn't call it a spoiler actually. without having read the book, at least I would not be able to understand the meaning of that sentence, or connect it to any character in the book. Now of course it is obvious.