[King Bear]

I'd be grateful if anyone could help me with a complete list of the known remaining forces and servants of the CG? I've read all of the books but feel that I'm a bit hazy on this. I'd like to go into TCG fully aware of everything he might still have at his disposal.

So, he's lost his pannions and his edur. His whirlwind has been crushed, but I can't remember if his religion was completely or at least mostly stamped out in the 7 cities? I guess even if he still has worshippers there, they're no longer much of a threat. And Poliel is out of the picture or dead, right?

That leaves Skinner and his formidable disavowed , plus Kallor, everyone's favourite high king.



Is there anything else we've been told about?

[MTS]

If Skinner is working for the Crippled God I expect Ardata to be involved somewhere as well. Maybe not to his benefit, but there nonetheless. Off the top of my head there's still the Unbound, and Mowri, possibly.

[King Bear]

Do you think Skinner will show up in TCG? I'm assuming he will, since he is the king in chains, and regarding SW.

I vaguely remember Adarta, the spider god with that witch servant who put Mappo in her debt? I can't recall her involvement with Skinner dammit. I completely forgot about the Unbound, who have a definite connection to the CG.

No idea who Mowri is.

so that's:

- Skinner/Disavowed
- Kallor
- Unbound
- maybe Adarta
- maybe Mowri

[MTS]

Ardata is apparently the Queen of a (possibly continent-spanning) kingdom on Jacurucku, and is also an Elder Goddess. Skinner spent a long time there (they were supposedly lovers, although I can't remember exactly where I read that), and it is she who gave him the armour that he now wears. On that point, I expect she has a vested interest in him. Gods just don't let their servants go, after all, and with a parting gift to boot.

Mowri is a goddess (of beggars and serfs IIRC), and we learn about her involvement in MoI. She 'embraces' three positions in the House of Chains - Leper, Cripple and Fool.

Oh, and I've forgotten Gethol, his Herald.

[Khellendros]

I'm not sure you can quite count Kallor - after TtH he seems to be a lot more his own man.

Mowri is the god/goddess of beggars and serfs. We've never actually met them, but they've been mentioned by other characters as having joined the Crippled God's House.

Skinner and his Disawoved, yep.

There's Munug and his cult of the Crippled God in Darujhistan.

Jacuruku is said to be strongly under the Crippled God's influence. That's where Ardata is as well, so far as we know.

Of course, you could ask to what extent the Forkrul Assail are using the Crippled God, and to what extent is he using them.

And what about the Jade Giants?

[King Bear]

MTS, on 09 February 2011 - 10:23 AM, said:

Ardata is apparently the Queen of a (possibly continent-spanning) kingdom on Jacurucku, and is also an Elder Goddess. Skinner spent a long time there (they were supposedly lovers, although I can't remember exactly where I read that), and it is she who gave him the armour that he now wears. On that point, I expect she has a vested interest in him. Gods just don't let their servants go, after all, and with a parting gift to boot.

Mowri is a goddess (of beggars and serfs IIRC), and we learn about her involvement in MoI. She 'embraces' three positions in the House of Chains - Leper, Cripple and Fool.

Oh, and I've forgotten Gethol, his Herald.

Thanks for that explanation, and for Gethol.

Khellendros, on 09 February 2011 - 10:26 AM, said:

I'm not sure you can quite count Kallor - after TtH he seems to be a lot more his own man.

Mowri is the god/goddess of beggars and serfs. We've never actually met them, but they've been mentioned by other characters as having joined the Crippled God's House.

Skinner and his Disawoved, yep.

There's Munug and his cult of the Crippled God in Darujhistan.

Jacuruku is said to be strongly under the Crippled God's influence. That's where Ardata is as well, so far as we know.

Of course, you could ask to what extent the Forkrul Assail are using the Crippled God, and to what extent is he using them.

And what about the Jade Giants?

Thanks for those additions. Looks like there was a lot I'd forgotten.

I've been wondering about the CG's connection to the FA myself.

Is tTH set before or after ROTCG? Or is the time-line so screwed it doesn't matter? I remember Kallor crying out to the CG to be rescued from Dassem in ROTGC, but that does not necessarily mean anything considering Kallor's life was at stake.

[MTS]

SW spoiler:

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I suppose you might also be able to factor in the centuries of blood-worship in his (her?) name, presumably kept alive by the fragment Skinner and his posse retrieve.

Where is Jacurucku said to be under his influence?

As for the Jade Giants, that's very much a topic for speculation. We don't even know what they are, much less what they're doing and how they would help the CG.

[MTS]

Bombur, on 09 February 2011 - 10:48 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 09 February 2011 - 10:26 AM, said:

I'm not sure you can quite count Kallor - after TtH he seems to be a lot more his own man.

Mowri is the god/goddess of beggars and serfs. We've never actually met them, but they've been mentioned by other characters as having joined the Crippled God's House.

Skinner and his Disawoved, yep.

There's Munug and his cult of the Crippled God in Darujhistan.

Jacuruku is said to be strongly under the Crippled God's influence. That's where Ardata is as well, so far as we know.

Of course, you could ask to what extent the Forkrul Assail are using the Crippled God, and to what extent is he using them.

And what about the Jade Giants?

Thanks for those additions. Looks like there was a lot I'd forgotten.

I've been wondering about the CG's connection to the FA myself.

Is tTH set before or after ROTCG? Or is the time-line so screwed it doesn't matter? I remember Kallor crying out to the CG to be rescued from Dassem in ROTGC, but that does not necessarily mean anything considering Kallor's life was at stake.

TTH is after ROTCG, because Dassem fights with Skinner outside Li Heng, than jaunts off to Genabackis and gets shipwrecked by Mael.

[King Bear]

Ok so this is the complete list then?

- Skinner: The King in Chains
- The Disavowed
- Kallor: Reaver (questionable loyalty)
- Gethol: Herald
- The Unbound: Seven of the Dead Fires
- Mowri: Leaper, Cripple, Fool
- Munung
- Adarta: association with Skinner and ruler of a continent (possibly) associated with CG???
- Jacurucku continent???
- The Jade Giants???

This post has been edited by Bombur: 09 February 2011 - 01:44 PM

[beru]

Karsa?

i think he is in there still...

[King Bear]

beru, on 09 February 2011 - 12:24 PM, said:

Karsa?

i think he is in there still...

I was under the impression that Karsa decisively abandonned the CG at the end of RG, when Karsa told the CG where to shove that sword. That, and I can't see Karsa bowing to anyone.

[beru]

the idea is not that karasa is happy about his place, i think that the CG have plans for him...

[beru]

the idea is not that karasa is happy about his place, i think that the CG have plans for him...

[tiam]

Ardata cant really be considered an agent or ally of the CG. Not only because we have very little information but because she is an EG and is playing her own game. If anything she has Mappo (helped by Mogora) and Skinner (through the armour) on Kolanse/Lether and is likely planning something. Whether this will come out in the TCG or ICEs epilogue I dont know.

[King Bear]

ok so:

Definite Allies:
- Skinner: The King in Chains
- The Disavowed
- Gethol: Herald
- The Unbound: Seven of the Dead Fires
- Mowri: Leaper, Cripple, Fool
- Munung and his followers

Allied but of questionable loyalty:
- Kallor: Reaver

Potentially to be used against his will (maybe):
- Karsa

Plausible but unverified allies:
- Adarta: by association with Skinner, and since rules a continent (possibly) associated with the CG
- Jacurucku continent
- The Jade Giants

[tiam]

Can someone with solid quote fu (MTS?) show where it states a) Jacurucku is ruled by Ardata and its heavily influenced by TCG? i understand there is speculation on this, speculation that makes sense in some contexts, but have never seen it in black and white. I havnt read ROTCG in a while and I know alot of the Ardata info is in that, esp in relation to Skinner

[Ceda Cicero]

I don't have the EXACT reference (at work) nor do I remember anything about Ardata ruling Jacuruku. But Kallor does tell Traveller during their confrontation on that continent in RotCG something to the effect of "My patron is very strong here."

Found it:

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"As you can see, apostate, though you have the better of me this time, I am just as difficult to overcome as you. And my Patron is very strong here. In this place especially..."

Interesting, but hardly enough evidence to conclude that the entire continent is under tCG's control/influence.

This post has been edited by Ciceronian: 09 February 2011 - 02:36 PM

[tiam]

Solid quote fu thanks.

Interesting. Thats the scene when Ereko gets dropped but that doesnt necessarily mean that TCG is in control of Jacurucku. Especilly when Ardatha is supposed to hold sway there.

I think Ardatha will be ICE territory

[Khellendros]

In the MoI prologue, which takes place on Jacuruku, when K'rul, Draconus and Nightchill confront Kallor, he (Kallor) says something to the effect that he has conquered the continent, though Ardata might might at times symbolically resist through not paying tribute on time.

That suggests she is on Jacuruku. In addition, the place where we see Ardata in the Bonehunters when she heals Mappo, seems to be quite similar in description to the place of standing stones where Kyle, Traveller and Ereko go and where Ereko is killed by Kallor, which was on Jacuruku.


Anyways, I assume we'll find out more in ICE's Jacuruku novel which follows the Darujhistan one!

[MTS]

Gah, took a while, but here's what I could find about Ardata. All from ROTCG:

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She looked to the Gedrand, the captured Kurzan three-tiered warship Skinner had taken as his flag vessel. Despite the incalculable advantage his presence brought to their Vow, Shimmer could not help wishing he had never returned. Simply catching sight of him now made her wince - where was the man she’d known? Who was this impostor? Her sources told her they’d yet to see him outside his armour. Reportedly, he slept sitting up, fully accoutred. And that armour; she had never seen anything like it. What was that dark patina that covered it with a crystal-like glitter? Skinner did not hide that his patron, Ardata of Jacuruku, had gifted it to him. She was some sort of witch queen, perhaps an Ascendant herself of those alien lands. And he made no secret they had been close. Lovers?
Shimmer felt the cold wind and she wrapped her arms about herself. The Vow still drove him; of that she was, sure - Yet what other, lesser, vows might he have sworn during all those years away? She dashed the cold tea over the side.

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A laugh from Skinner. ‘Different? More than you imagine, Stoop.’

The old saboteur gestured to the surcoat whose heraldry was too dark to make out in this light. ‘And these colours?’

‘Heraldry of our Patron, Queen Ardata.’

‘Never heard of her. You been with her all this time?’

‘She has been very generous to us.’

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It is the language spoken by an invading army that conquered a neighbouring kingdom decades ago. They rule as a caste of warrior aristocrats who enforce their will with sword and magery. All in the name of that kingdom’s ancient Goddess - the Queen Ardata. Know you them?’

Skinner's sword:

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The blade had been mottled black in corrosion and something told him that its slightest touch would be unhealthy.

Rhulad's sword:

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The blade was indeed mottled, seemingly forged of polished iron and black shards of some harder, glassier material, the surface of both cracked and uneven. Splashes of blood were freezing black here and there, like a fast-spreading rot.