[buddhacat]

MTS, on 02 February 2011 - 04:04 AM, said:

There's a specific mention about his soul being strong though.

Yeah, just re-read that and it's a he. Now I'm guessing Pearl. Or Kalam, if he's really dead. Really no other man we've seen as being "close" to Tavore.

[champ]

Just reread it again and...

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He looked down at K’rul. ‘The Malazan Empire conjured them out of nothing. Dassem’s First Sword, the Bridgeburners, and now the Bonehunters. What can I tell you? It is as if they were born of another age, a golden age lost to the past, and the thing of it is: they don’t even know it. Perhaps that is why she wishes them to remain unwitnessed in all that they do.’
‘What do you mean?’
‘She doesn’t want the rest of the world to be reminded of what they once were.’

Just bloody brilliant!

These will be the longest 19 days of my life!

[blackzoid]

Fantastic info on the FA. So now we kow why the ones in DoD fell so easily. Was Repose, the one who the Watch killed, also a Pure FA or was it a half-breed I wonder?

And Calm, digging up the bones of her ancestors and using them as living chains on her shoulders!
Bit of a Karsa connection there (with the chains) I think.

I wonder if the Crippled God and Karsa will be narrating parts of the book, like Kruppe in TtH?

[Steve Halter]

In the Mael/K'rul conversation we have:

'Me with mine, you with yours, his with his, and yet still we fail to convince the world of its inherent absurdity.'
K'rul shrugged. 'Him with his. Yes. Odd that of all the gods, he alone discovered this mad, and maddening, secret. The dawn to come . . . shall we leave it to him?'

Any thought on who the 'Him' is?

[Bauchelain the Evil]

I'd say Heboric. He's dead but his soul is strong and knew that Shaik was Felisin. ( Thus the connection with Tavore)

[Illuyankas]

Steve Halter, on 02 February 2011 - 02:59 PM, said:

In the Mael/K'rul conversation we have:

'Me with mine, you with yours, his with his, and yet still we fail to convince the world of its inherent absurdity.'
K'rul shrugged. 'Him with his. Yes. Odd that of all the gods, he alone discovered this mad, and maddening, secret. The dawn to come . . . shall we leave it to him?'

Any thought on who the 'Him' is?

Mael and Tehol, K'rul and Kruppe... Shadowthrone and Pust?

[Steve Halter]

Illuyankas, on 02 February 2011 - 03:18 PM, said:

Steve Halter, on 02 February 2011 - 02:59 PM, said:

In the Mael/K'rul conversation we have:

'Me with mine, you with yours, his with his, and yet still we fail to convince the world of its inherent absurdity.'
K'rul shrugged. 'Him with his. Yes. Odd that of all the gods, he alone discovered this mad, and maddening, secret. The dawn to come . . . shall we leave it to him?'

Any thought on who the 'Him' is?

Mael and Tehol, K'rul and Kruppe... Shadowthrone and Pust?

That fits the pattern, anyway. Then, what the 'maddening secret' is remains.

[Vengeance]

Illuyankas, on 02 February 2011 - 03:18 PM, said:

Steve Halter, on 02 February 2011 - 02:59 PM, said:

In the Mael/K'rul conversation we have:

'Me with mine, you with yours, his with his, and yet still we fail to convince the world of its inherent absurdity.'
K'rul shrugged. 'Him with his. Yes. Odd that of all the gods, he alone discovered this mad, and maddening, secret. The dawn to come . . . shall we leave it to him?'

Any thought on who the 'Him' is?

Mael and Tehol, K'rul and Kruppe... Shadowthrone and Pust?

Ohhh I just had a thought of why ST put Kalam into the house...Because he was close to becoming Cotillion's...


I wonder how Mappo will fair against the FA... For that matter the FA will fair against Gruntle and the bole brothers. Not quite a fare fight...almost makes me feel sorry for the FA...

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[Abyss]

oh.
holy.
dragonfucknuts.

- Abyss, speechless.

[ansible]

Abyss, on 02 February 2011 - 04:36 PM, said:

oh.
holy.
dragonfucknuts.

- Abyss, speechless.

+1

[Khellendros]

Steve Halter, on 02 February 2011 - 02:59 PM, said:

In the Mael/K'rul conversation we have:

'Me with mine, you with yours, his with his, and yet still we fail to convince the world of its inherent absurdity.'
K'rul shrugged. 'Him with his. Yes. Odd that of all the gods, he alone discovered this mad, and maddening, secret. The dawn to come . . . shall we leave it to him?'

Any thought on who the 'Him' is?

I would say they're either talking about Shadowthrone, or the Crippled God - who we have a POV from elsewhere in the excerpt talking about how he alone of the gods gives to mortals what they want.

[blackzoid]

I wonder...
Is not Karsa partly responsible for the FA part of the whole situation? He did agree to free Calm when his friend advised him to lift the rock off her.
And she seems to be the one who organised the other pure FA (Unless Knuckles and Killy helped out with that too).
Of course he had no idea this would happen, but it would be somewhat ironic if Karsa changes his mind about wiping out civilisation unknowing that he has already set in motion the plan to destroy it anyway.

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[Salt-Man Z]

blackzoid, on 02 February 2011 - 06:07 PM, said:

it would be somewhat ironic just like Erikson if Karsa changes his mind about wiping out civilisation unknowing that he has already set in motion the plan to destroy it anyway.

Fixed it for you.

[biochemist]

I think I would like it best if the corpse was Kalam. Knows Tavore, and I could DEFINITELY see Shadowthrone being devious enough to conspire with Mael and K'rul for...something. Not exactly sure why.

Heboric...hmm, would be nice, but I would count him as a confidant of Felisin, not Tavore. Maybe I am missing something.

Keneb sure, but I don't think it is Fiddler.

Boo, I don't get TCG on my Kindle until March 1st.

[Abyss]

It's totally Heboric's body that Mael brought to Krul. How many other wrapped bodies plunging into the deep blue sea have we seen?

i think.

[Ceda Cicero]

I only just remembered that Calm and Icarium have serious history. He was instrumental in her original imprisonment, now here she is imprisoning him.

[T'renn]

How about it being Bottles body being brought to K'rul ? seems kind of fitting ...

[buddhacat]

Illuyankas, on 02 February 2011 - 03:18 PM, said:

Steve Halter, on 02 February 2011 - 02:59 PM, said:

In the Mael/K'rul conversation we have:

'Me with mine, you with yours, his with his, and yet still we fail to convince the world of its inherent absurdity.'
K'rul shrugged. 'Him with his. Yes. Odd that of all the gods, he alone discovered this mad, and maddening, secret. The dawn to come . . . shall we leave it to him?'

Any thought on who the 'Him' is?

Mael and Tehol, K'rul and Kruppe... Shadowthrone and Pust?

Seeing as Elders are involved and being absurd, I'll say Draconus and Ublala Pung.

[Illuyankas]

I doubt Pung has the same kind of relationship with Draconus as the other two do with their gods, but it's certainly an idea.

[ansible]

I have to think the body is either Brys or Heboric. Brys because contextually it seems obvious that Mael is referring to him and looking at him at the same time. But, not conclusive. Heboric seems to fit for all the reasons mentioned above.

When Calm talks about there being twelve Pures, my first thought was twelve Pure dragons of Starvald Demelain (though it might indeed refer to Pure FA).

Looking back through MT:

Midnight Tides, p. 588, TOR MMPB said:

The boy shrugged. 'T'iam, Kalse, Silannah, Ampelas, Okaros, Karosis, Sorrit, Atrahal, Eloth, Anthras, Kessobahn, Alkend, Karatallid, Korbas....Olar. Eleint. Draconean. Dragons. The Pure Dragons. The place where the road comes from is closed. By the mixed bloods who gathered long ago. Draconus, K'rul, Anomandaris, Osserc, Silchas Ruin, Scabandari, Sheltatha Lore, Sukul Ankhadu, and Menandore.'

Now - there are 14 dragons listed. T'iam and Korbas I would place in a separate category, since they are unique. That leaves...the twelve dragons for the twelve gates? We know Sorrit is dead - and Tiam too, right? So out of the original 14, only 12 are alive.

[EDIT: Ok, there are 15 dragons including Olar Ethil. Either she is unique and not pure (first Soletaken, perhaps?), or one of the other dragons may be dead (perhaps Calm senses Kessobahn's imminent demise) and Olar is the 12th one living.]

Calm says:

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Twelve Pures remained, feeding. Twelve. Perhaps there were others, lost in farflung places, but she knew nothing of them. No, these twelve, they would be the faces of the final storm, and, pre-eminent among them all, she would stand at that storm's centre.

The 12 being dragons instead of Forkrul Assail fits nicely with the TCG blurb about dragons coming again. Also, check out that cover and tell me you don't see a fucking dragon at the head of the final storm.

Also, did anyone else just notice the name KESSOBAHN among the dragons listed by Rud Ellale? What the fuck. So the Liosan just slew a major dragon, like Sorrit, who probably controlled a warren. However, Kessobahn is still alive which jives with Calm still sensing 12 dragons (unless this timeline of 10 pages is just crazy).

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He'd known what the answer would be and he nodded. Our father. Your pain, your blood, our gift. Celebrate our rebirth, Our Father Kessobahn, with your death. And for you, there shall be no return.

I think this gives a lot of insight into Eleint. "there shall be no return" suggests that if Kessobahn had not been subsequently torn apart by these new Soletaken, he would have returned. This sounds exactly like how Rake and everyone drank the blood of T'iam.... and now that T'iam isn't coming back, perhaps she was torn to pieces like Kessobahn instead of being allowed to "return"?

There was an interesting comment about how not even the Azath can breach Akhrast Korvalain - does this mean there is no path in the Azath that leads to this realm? Previously it's been assumed the Azath leads to all (or most) worlds/realms...

My crazy theory is that since the Azath housing the Gates of Starvald Demelain is dying, Shadowthrone's gambit is to somehow usurp this Azath like he usurped the Deadhouse and become master of Starvald Demelain (healing the wounds of the gates and resealing them with the Azath, saving the world but also becoming the most insanely powerful god...ever?).

This post has been edited by ansible: 03 February 2011 - 01:03 AM