[Sorrit]

Fener, on 25 January 2011 - 05:56 AM, said:

K well I am not changing my vote at this point. Too bad there isn't much discussion but I'm just as at fault.

It's understandable that you'd want more discussion and goings-ons, Fener, you're in a hurry to get something done today because you were collar-buddies with Galayn and now you're going to explode after tonight...

[Sorrit]

Dramatic announcement: I am collar buddy finder. Galayn and Fener are collar buddies!

[Sorrit]

Less dramatic announcement: no one is here and I'm going to bed. Toodles!

[Hood's Path]

We've had six deaths so far - one obvious NK, one lynch and four splodeys. Two of the splodeys would be the result of the two traditional kills. The other two are what is odd though. The obvious link (there being two of them) is that they are collar-mates. Now one of them could have been a normal kill that wasn't described the way the first one was, but I'm not sure the timing works out on that. From the OP

Quote

A - If the collar is activated, you die automatically after a full day and night cycle has ended (so if the collar is activated during night 1, you live for day 2, then for the night 2, then die at the end of night 2).
B - If your collar is activated as the result of a lynch, you die at the end of the next day.

Collars are activated at the following times:

1) whenever someone is lynched, his or her connected partner's collar is activated.
2) whenever someone is NKed, his or her connected partner's collar is activated.
3) whenever a role activates a player's collar directly.
4) whenever someone dies as the result of an activated collar, his or her partner's collar is activated.
5) whenever someone's collar is deactivated, his or her connected partner's collar is activated.

Day 1:

Omtose is lynched, so B and 1, meaning his partner will die the end of day 2

Night 1:

Amp dies, looking a lot like A and 2, so partner will die the end of night 2

Day 2:

No lynch

Rashan and Korbas both explode. One of these is Omtose's partner, but where did the other come from? The only answer I can see is 3 sometime during Day 1. Meaning someone should explode at the the end of today to complete a pair.

Night 2:

GL's collar is deactivated

Liosan and Merrid both explode. Now one of these could have been an NK that wasn't written as such, the other Amp's partner. If one wasn't an NK though then things get complicated, since it would imply another direct activation during night 1.


Looking at the timing closely, the two unaccounted deaths are too close together to be a collar-pair. I seriously hope that one of Lio and Merrid was an NK, else there was an activation day one and again night one. Either way, there is at least one person who can activate collars directly and did so on Day 1. This does not feel like innocent play to me, since it is effectively a double vig very early on in the game. The only way I can see the activator being inno is that GL was linked to Rashan or Korbas and the activator saved GL after trying to vig his partner. If someone explodes at the end of the day today, I will be taking a long hard look at GL since whoever saved him was more than likely scum. Unless activation and deactivation are completely different roles, in which case I'm not 100% sure what to make of things. Either way, if there is an explosion today and then two tonight it would definitely indicate that whoever (possibly plural) is activating and deactivating collars is either incredibly reckless or scum. If there is no explosion today and only one tonight it would indicate that GL was saved, which is more likely to indicate at least an inno deactivator. Or forewarned scum.

This analysis wasn't nearly as enlightening as I hoped it would be - the numbers were bugging me and I hoped they would point in one direction or another. Without knowing what the mechanics look like it is still too much speculation to be certain of anything.

I have no objection voting Sorrit, he does seem like the best choice for today, but I'm going to hold off for now as I should be able to make it one around time-out.

Edit - crosspost with Sorrit. If he's telling the truth then it we should be expecting lots of explosions tonight

This post has been edited by Hood's Path: 25 January 2011 - 06:52 AM

[Galayn Lord]

Sorrit, on 25 January 2011 - 06:15 AM, said:

Fener, on 25 January 2011 - 05:56 AM, said:

K well I am not changing my vote at this point. Too bad there isn't much discussion but I'm just as at fault.

It's understandable that you'd want more discussion and goings-ons, Fener, you're in a hurry to get something done today because you were collar-buddies with Galayn and now you're going to explode after tonight...

I don't the knew that...

also, i'm paired with Fener? that's a bad omen, if there ever was one,

that being said, i'm also off to bed.

[Tellan]

How long is left?

[Tellan]

Sorrit, on 25 January 2011 - 06:20 AM, said:

Dramatic announcement: I am collar buddy finder. Galayn and Fener are collar buddies!

How does that help? If this is true then Fener will die anyway. It doesn't point out scum.

[Osseric]

Sorrit, on 25 January 2011 - 06:20 AM, said:

Dramatic announcement: I am collar buddy finder. Galayn and Fener are collar buddies!

I presume you threw this out there in an attempt to save yourself, or at the very least go out swinging and hope you take a scum out with you. But really, this gets us no closer towards scum, and it's awfully convenient that Fener is the same guy who started your train today.

We can't really corroborate any other finds you made either, since most people aren't privy to collar info.

[Ruse]

Sorrit, on 25 January 2011 - 06:20 AM, said:

Dramatic announcement: I am collar buddy finder. Galayn and Fener are collar buddies!

so after two nights you have one find? who else is paired then?

also that ability would suit scum more than inno in my mind as scum would need to discover who it was that they were paired wih to avoid killing themselves.

[Ruse]

Osseric, on 25 January 2011 - 09:12 AM, said:

Sorrit, on 25 January 2011 - 06:20 AM, said:

Dramatic announcement: I am collar buddy finder. Galayn and Fener are collar buddies!

I presume you threw this out there in an attempt to save yourself, or at the very least go out swinging and hope you take a scum out with you. But really, this gets us no closer towards scum, and it's awfully convenient that Fener is the same guy who started your train today.

We can't really corroborate any other finds you made either, since most people aren't privy to collar info.

well GL's is deactivated so fener will die today as a result, i think.

[Osseric]

Ruse, on 25 January 2011 - 09:18 AM, said:

Osseric, on 25 January 2011 - 09:12 AM, said:

Sorrit, on 25 January 2011 - 06:20 AM, said:

Dramatic announcement: I am collar buddy finder. Galayn and Fener are collar buddies!

I presume you threw this out there in an attempt to save yourself, or at the very least go out swinging and hope you take a scum out with you. But really, this gets us no closer towards scum, and it's awfully convenient that Fener is the same guy who started your train today.

We can't really corroborate any other finds you made either, since most people aren't privy to collar info.

well GL's is deactivated so fener will die today as a result, i think.

Probably. Such an impotent move though. Even if it gets him off the hook, his target is dead anyway and if he isn't scum they won't want any sort of finder around, so he'll be the first to go. And since pretty much everyone has been against Sorrit, there's not much of a trail to follow from it. I agree with you that it seems more of a scummy ability to have. That's only so if scum know each other though, otherwise it's fairly useless.

[Osseric]

I suppose if we want a lynch it's up to me and HP? Since Silanah seems to have dropped off the face of the earth.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. There is 7 hours and 7 minutes left in the day.

10 Players still alive: Barghast, Fener, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kalse, Osseric, Ruse, Silanah, Sorrit, Tellan

6 votes to lynch.

1 vote for Ruse (Sorrit)
4 votes for Sorrit (Fener, Ruse, Tellan, Barghast)
2 votes for Galayn Lord (Osseric, Kalse)

Players not voted Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Silanah

[Ruse]

why are you voting gl btw? do you really believe that a scum would advertise themselves so blatantly?

[Tellan]

Sorrit will still have a partner too, I hope that is not me. The thing is, we have been leaving it until the last minute to try and push a lynch through. I am wondering how many scum are left, there are a few suspicious people and for different reasons, voting patterns, not voting, low posting, high posting but a lot of bull shit. Notg many people are making cases, Sorrit is clouding our other cases and judgement. Get rid of him and then we can look into everything more in depth

[Kalse]

Sorrit, on 25 January 2011 - 06:15 AM, said:

Fener, on 25 January 2011 - 05:56 AM, said:

K well I am not changing my vote at this point. Too bad there isn't much discussion but I'm just as at fault.

It's understandable that you'd want more discussion and goings-ons, Fener, you're in a hurry to get something done today because you were collar-buddies with Galayn and now you're going to explode after tonight...

I don't understand this, is it just me that doesn't? Is Sorrit implying that Fener is in a hurry because he knows that his own collar is going to explode

Sorrit, on 25 January 2011 - 06:20 AM, said:

Dramatic announcement: I am collar buddy finder. Galayn and Fener are collar buddies!

I don't know why this is useful to announce either, it is revealing that someone wants Fener dead and not GL, as otherwise I would assume they would NK Fener. Could collar buddy finder also be collar buddy deactivator, going back to my own quote..

Kalse, on 21 January 2011 - 10:31 AM, said:

Furthmore, I am also not buying the GL and Sorrit signalling, but would definently change my mind if Fener drops off!

remove vote

vote Sorrit

[Kalse]

will have to go for a bit will be back in a while

[Osseric]

Ruse, on 25 January 2011 - 09:53 AM, said:

why are you voting gl btw? do you really believe that a scum would advertise themselves so blatantly?

Like I said before I was suspicious of him and I placed a vote, and it was mainly based around the fact that people who were suspicious of him (namely Liosan) ended up dead, and that he was posting without really doing anything. I'm not so sure of it anymore, and have yet to change. Was tempted to vote Kalse for so weirdly following me (despite claiming it's more likely a set-up at the same time), don't really know why I didn't. I think I liked GL more at the time, but now I don't (for scum I mean, I'm sure he's a very agreeable fellow ).

I've never really got this Sorrit case though. I can understand Tellann's distraction argument, but are people wanting to vote him off because there was a supposed signal to Amp, who turned out scum? That signal seemed rather flimsy to me, not sure if there's much there. Then, if he's a symp, you're going to get the inno CF anyway, so we're kinda left with diddly. We really do need a fresh perspective, however, everyone who's actually playing seem fixated on him.

[Tellan]

So if Fener is scum he is going to die anyway and we would know. That would mean that 2 known scum had started lynch trains. Sorrit thinks he is going down so now he has thrown doubt at Fener and Galayn Lord. I don't think Fener is scum although if what Sorrit says is true then he will be gone tonight anyway

[Osseric]

I have literally no idea why Kalse just voted. Is he suggesting that the whole 'GL signalling Sorrit' becomes viable if GL deactivated his own collar based on Sorrit's find? Or that Sorrit found out and did it himself? :S

ETA - his votes have gotten weirder and weirder as the game progresses

This post has been edited by Osseric: 25 January 2011 - 10:20 AM