[Dolorous Menhir]

Unchained God, on 19 December 2010 - 04:55 PM, said:

Planescape torment was a fantastic experience, it looked great and had a great story.. However, Baldurs Gate was better. P:T was great to play once, maybe twice but there was far less freedom than in BG and BG2. Baldurs gate you could just keep on playing, over and over.

Neverwinter Nights was also great, mainly due to the enormous amount of modules made by players.

Got to disagree on this, have played Planescape Torment through several times. Never felt the same urge to replay Baldur's Gate (I, II or TOB). Then again, my experience with BG1 came to a bad end when the game failed to load the final area and prevented me from completing it. Not an incentive to try again (an unsettling thought - how many years ago was that? Probably more than 10).

Neverwinter Nights - I didn't even finish that. Just lacked a certain something that the earlier entries had in abundance.

[Mentalist]

Adjutant Stormy, on 19 December 2010 - 11:58 AM, said:

Silencer, on 19 December 2010 - 11:12 AM, said:

Werthead, on 19 December 2010 - 11:07 AM, said:

PLANESCAPE TORMENT has a good claim on being the single greatest CRPG ever made, certainly the only CRPG that qualifies as 'literature'. Very interesting game built on philosophical themes, though there's also enough mayhem and violence to appeal to more action-oriented gamers. Wonderful atmosphere as well.

Between PLANESCAPE TORMENT and BALDUR'S GATE II, you have the two best CRPGS of all time. Nothing else really comes close.

I still have a soft-spot for Arcanum over BG2. But yeah, aside from the fact that I sunk more hours into Morrowind*, and it trades some of the depth for graphics, Planescape, Arcanum, and running a close fourth BG2 all make up the best CRPG's ever, imo.

Which is why I have to constantly define them as 'classic' CRPG's, so that I don't automatically dismiss anything else on the market in comparison.


*And as I'm sure most are aware, though I'll put in the disclaimer anyway, I fully acknowledge that I am a fanboy when it comes to this game. See the avatar to the left of this post, for starters. But for me it has to be up there, despite flawed combat, and a certain lack of choice when it comes to the main storyline, simply because of how well it balanced what was then cutting-edge graphics and other key RPG features, which have since been scrapped in favour of way too much focus on graphics. My favourite game ever, bar none, so...

You'll be jealous to know, then, that I know the project lead for Morrowind, and got to play their last beta release candidate (that was ultimately scrapped for graphical concerns), that makes Oblivion look like shit.

All that being said, PST is still one of my favorite games. I have to go home now and find my CDs... Hope it runs on Win7

it does. 7 will run almost anything. it was the only platform on which i managed to launch System Shock 2, ffs!

This post has been edited by Mentalist: 19 December 2010 - 07:14 PM

[Illuyankas]

To be fair, Neverwinter Nights was only good in custom modules with friends. The single player campaign was

1. Enter area
2. Collect item from cardinal points on map
3. End fight
4. Repeat

Still better than NWN2, though.

[Stalker]

I also just bought this a few days ago when it appeared in the other thread. I am a huge fan of BG1 and 2, so I had to get this. Honestly, I had never heard of the game before. I'd see Silencer mention it but knew nothing about it. Put in a few hours yesterday, and so far so good. Once again, another big thank you to the forum for yet another great recommendation.

[Silencer]

Adjutant Stormy, on 19 December 2010 - 11:58 AM, said:

Silencer, on 19 December 2010 - 11:12 AM, said:

Werthead, on 19 December 2010 - 11:07 AM, said:

PLANESCAPE TORMENT has a good claim on being the single greatest CRPG ever made, certainly the only CRPG that qualifies as 'literature'. Very interesting game built on philosophical themes, though there's also enough mayhem and violence to appeal to more action-oriented gamers. Wonderful atmosphere as well.

Between PLANESCAPE TORMENT and BALDUR'S GATE II, you have the two best CRPGS of all time. Nothing else really comes close.

I still have a soft-spot for Arcanum over BG2. But yeah, aside from the fact that I sunk more hours into Morrowind*, and it trades some of the depth for graphics, Planescape, Arcanum, and running a close fourth BG2 all make up the best CRPG's ever, imo.

Which is why I have to constantly define them as 'classic' CRPG's, so that I don't automatically dismiss anything else on the market in comparison.


*And as I'm sure most are aware, though I'll put in the disclaimer anyway, I fully acknowledge that I am a fanboy when it comes to this game. See the avatar to the left of this post, for starters. But for me it has to be up there, despite flawed combat, and a certain lack of choice when it comes to the main storyline, simply because of how well it balanced what was then cutting-edge graphics and other key RPG features, which have since been scrapped in favour of way too much focus on graphics. My favourite game ever, bar none, so...

You'll be jealous to know, then, that I know the project lead for Morrowind, and got to play their last beta release candidate (that was ultimately scrapped for graphical concerns), that makes Oblivion look like shit.

All that being said, PST is still one of my favorite games. I have to go home now and find my CDs... Hope it runs on Win7

Oh I am, but I already knew that.

IIRC you were pestered for info on TES:V when you revealed this info earlier the year. >.<

@Stalker - haven't seen you much online recently...what've you been playing?

[Morgoth]

I wish there was a mac version for PT

[Stalker]

@Silencer- I was offline for awhile acing all my exams, which was fantastic . But in terms of gaming, I've been catching up on DLC content for Borderlands, Dragon Age, and Mass Effect. Also recently bought Bioshock 2, Lost Planet 2, the newest Final Fantasy, and Planetscape hehe (total of like $50-seriously awesome sale hunting here). I've only started on Planetscape so far though, luckily I have plently of time to get everything in. If you are still playing Halo, we should play sometime soon.

[Silencer]

Stalker, on 20 December 2010 - 04:53 AM, said:

@Silencer- I was offline for awhile acing all my exams, which was fantastic . But in terms of gaming, I've been catching up on DLC content for Borderlands, Dragon Age, and Mass Effect. Also recently bought Bioshock 2, Lost Planet 2, the newest Final Fantasy, and Planetscape hehe (total of like $50-seriously awesome sale hunting here). I've only started on Planetscape so far though, luckily I have plently of time to get everything in. If you are still playing Halo, we should play sometime soon.

Sweet, I was on exams for half of November, did pretty well overall. Good to hear, though.

And the problem is going to come next year, I think: Witcher 2, Portal 2, Shogun 2, Dragon Age 2, Deus Ex: Human Revolutions, and, of course, THE ELDER SCROLLS V: SKYRIM!!!! I'm not going to have enough time to play them all, as well as all the old favs. XD (Plus these are just the announced major titles...Warhammer 40K: Space Marine is slated mid-2011, and I'm holding hope that game might be good, for example.)

And yes, I'm still playing Halo - can't be bothered getting into MoH or Black Ops, seeing as they're just poor rehashes (for most intents and purposes) of older games, and I'm done with New Vegas/Fable III, so when I do play online, it's Reach. Most of my time atm is taken up with older single-player games though (or books, or surfing the net, or socializing...). Might be free in...two days? Will try and organise something, you sound like you're free.

[Gothos]

Illuyankas, on 19 December 2010 - 07:40 PM, said:

To be fair, Neverwinter Nights was only good in custom modules with friends. The single player campaign was

1. Enter area
2. Collect item from cardinal points on map
3. End fight
4. Repeat

Still better than NWN2, though.

Well, there was this one town where you had to do some judging, that was quite high quality in NWN1...

but really, I'd say NWN2 base campaign was better. And Maske of the Betrayer was fucking awesome. Top Quality stuff there... if you don't mind some repetition from KotOR2.

[Stalker]

Silencer, on 20 December 2010 - 05:29 AM, said:

Sweet, I was on exams for half of November, did pretty well overall. Good to hear, though.

And the problem is going to come next year, I think: Witcher 2, Portal 2, Shogun 2, Dragon Age 2, Deus Ex: Human Revolutions, and, of course, THE ELDER SCROLLS V: SKYRIM!!!! I'm not going to have enough time to play them all, as well as all the old favs. XD (Plus these are just the announced major titles...Warhammer 40K: Space Marine is slated mid-2011, and I'm holding hope that game might be good, for example.)

And yes, I'm still playing Halo - can't be bothered getting into MoH or Black Ops, seeing as they're just poor rehashes (for most intents and purposes) of older games, and I'm done with New Vegas/Fable III, so when I do play online, it's Reach. Most of my time atm is taken up with older single-player games though (or books, or surfing the net, or socializing...). Might be free in...two days? Will try and organise something, you sound like you're free.

Quite free. I had been spending so much time studying that I still don't quite know what to do with myself with all this time hehe. I agree with what you said about MoH and Black Ops, but I still thought MoH had some redeeming qualities. Recently, when I have been playing online it is MoH. Except when I borrowed a friend's copy of Black Ops, which was the worst game that I couldn't stop playing. I just kept waiting for it to get better and it never did.

Just spent a few hours playing Planetscape though, it keeps getting better. I'm not really sure what I am supposed to be doing, but I am wandering around the starting city now looking for quests and stuff.

[Silencer]

If I was going to rent one, it would be MoH. It just appeals to me more, because it's not Treyarch-made, and it's not CoD (though the difference isn't much, hehe). But I don't have much in the way of desire to play either.

As for Planescape, don't expect too much handholding.

[Gothos]

You should *know* that talking is the way to go in this game. Don't forget to chat with your party members often as well. You can unlock serious badass-ness.

[Avatar]

First impressions:

1. This game seems to be darker then most other RPG's.

2. Philosophical: I talked about my point of view on topics as death and life with quite a few NPC's

3. Indeed a lot of conversation, first game in which it seems that you should (try to) talk with every NPC.


All in all it seems very interesting. Hope I can remember all these bits of information from my conversations. Good thing there is a journal. Too bad though, that the game is not entirely stable, (perhaps the mods?) I had some crashes yesterday. By the way, I thought that PT was Bioware's. But i see no logo of them. Is Black Isle the predecessor of Bioware? Or part of them?

This post has been edited by Avatar: 20 December 2010 - 11:28 AM

[Sindriss]

Silencer you forgot Diablo 3 on that list. That game will melt faces.

Planescape Torment is probably one of the most famous RPG games for people who know the genre. Unfortunately, too few people outside have heard about it, probably turned away by the fact that you need to pay attention and think to allow the game to flourish. Which is the reason it was discontinued, lack of money. Common enough. Endemic some would say!

[Gothos]

Avatar: I just have to ask - did you encounter Deionarrah in the Mortuary base level?

edit: proper name edited in

This post has been edited by Gothos: 20 December 2010 - 01:56 PM

[cerveza_fiesta]

Avatar, on 20 December 2010 - 11:26 AM, said:

First impressions:

1. This game seems to be darker then most other RPG's.

2. Philosophical: I talked about my point of view on topics as death and life with quite a few NPC's

3. Indeed a lot of conversation, first game in which it seems that you should (try to) talk with every NPC.


All in all it seems very interesting. Hope I can remember all these bits of information from my conversations. Good thing there is a journal. Too bad though, that the game is not entirely stable, (perhaps the mods?) I had some crashes yesterday. By the way, I thought that PT was Bioware's. But i see no logo of them. Is Black Isle the predecessor of Bioware? Or part of them?

This is my favourite all-time of the infinity engine RPGs. Icewind Dale had the heavy action, Baldur's I and II had the terriffic story, but Planescape has both. There are some immensely frustrating and simultaneously awesome parts later on after you get out of the hub city (can't remember the name). The characters are really really good in Planescape too. The main's character (unknown?) is excellent, since you keep getting little snippets of past lives here and there to construct what your character had been before you take over. Dak'kon is great and has a pretty rich story of his own, as does Morte. The later-game NPCs that join you are great as well.

Just remember to check in with your NPCs once in awhile to get their stories...I don't recall that they offer the stories up freely, and they ration their stories out through the levels. You can get quite a bit out of them (plus some stat upgrades) by exploring all the conversation options each time you level up.

I found this game struck a good balance with difficulty too (without ramping up to insane levels)....keeping a decent level of challenge from level 1 all the way through to the end.

You're right RE the conversation though, I wend bug-eyed many a session trying to keep up with the dialogue and explore all the avenues of conversation. My best play-through was with a mage-based character since the high intelligence opened up a lot more conversation options and some hidden side quests.

[Avatar]

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Flawed: I just have to ask - did you encounter Deionarrah in the Mortuary base leve

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(@ me?) Yes, I did. Talked to her. Why?

[Gothos]

Ah yeah. Should look at names more I guess.

And why? Well, the past relationship with her is one of my favourite parts of the game. You'll get bits here and there iirc. In any case, I do hope you explore as much dialogue as humanely possible

[Avatar]

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I do hope you explore as much dialogue as humanely possible

I will!

This post has been edited by Avatar: 20 December 2010 - 05:25 PM

[Stalker]

I spend more time talking to all the people I see than actually exploring, well named people anyway. You talk to one Dustman, you've talked to them all.