[Terez]

HoosierDaddy, on 24 November 2010 - 10:02 PM, said:

Terez, on 24 November 2010 - 09:41 PM, said:

HoosierDaddy, on 24 November 2010 - 05:51 AM, said:

Most subtle little point that resonated with me the most:

Graendal's description of her defection to the Shadow. Second to turn away (after Ishamael and his relentless logic), her thoughts about how those first steps were so hard to make, and seemed for good reasons, really resonated with the plan to turn Rand dark by forcing him into terrible decisions that would wear away his morality bit by bit.

What I liked more about that scene was the implication that even Ishamael had a heart, once. It wasn't all about logic for him - Graendal makes it clear that the man has known pain. Of all the Forsaken, he seemed the least likely, excepting perhaps Semirhage.

Re: WoT foreshadowing - when I say 'foreshadowing', I'm talking about within the books, not anything to do with legends. The reference to legends go in the 'parallels' category.

I might make some mistakes here, as this is coming from memory of TWotWoT and discussion at a very old and now defunct WoT board, but Ishamael was the most renowned philosopher of his Age, right? Philosophy involves logic, but even more so, wasn't it his delving into history and the pattern that led him to believe, ultimately, the light would fall due to sheer weight of chances to either turn or kill the Dragon? Thus, he wasn't a monster, but his rationale for turning was bound up in his belief in the logic that this would eventually happen?

The writings in question came from the time of the Collapse, a period that lasted well over 100 years, but yes, he was a nihilist. That doesn't mean that he had no incentive for becoming one.

[Illuyankas]

@HD: FUCKING NERDS

This post has been edited by Illuyankas: 24 November 2010 - 10:46 PM

[HoosierDaddy]

The hate... it flows through you!

[Illuyankas]

It's almost like people are surprised by this fact. I have no idea why.

[Terez]

Illuyankas, on 24 November 2010 - 10:46 PM, said:

@HD: FUCKING NERDS

Thank you for editing your post to specify HD. But I am reminded of an exchange on Theoryland on my loony theory thread (Moridin luvs Cyndane):

Uno said:

Terez said:

Uno said:

Terez said:

Uno said:

It reminds me of the old high school analogy from years back. Demandred turned evil because LTT became captain of the football team instead of him and Ishamael became an emo because he didn't get the girl.

[blah blah blah blah]...Mierin showed up at the wedding and made a scene, and this was the advent of her own turn to the Shadow. But Rand says that she was out of his heart long before he even met Ilyena.

It's called making a grand romantic gesture, you know, and according to standard narrative conventions on tv it ought to have worked.

Also, what really, really happened was that LTT was a jock when they were in high school together. Ishy the philosopher was obviously quite bookish, so the entire War of Power is actually the revenge of the nerds when all is said and done.

lol. I guess that Ishamael, Mesaana, and Aginor would qualify as nerds. Maybe Moghedien too. Dunno about Asmodean. Band nerd? Doesn't seem to fit.

Not only was Ishamael bookish, seeing as he's so fond of sha'rah, I'd say he was a member of the AOL equivalent of the chess club. Asmodean, on the other hand, probably had a band in his parents' garage and was sure they'd make it big one day.

We do get bored sometimes.

[Abyss]

Rhavin totally did porn.

[Terez]

I would watch Rahvin porn. He was supposedly just as pretty as Galad.

In fact, I made a bet with someone that either Gawyn or Moiraine would kill Rand. He's not dead yet, but if I lose, I have to write a Galad/Rahvin smutfic.

[Cause]

I still find it amusing that the champion of the light (lews therin) is partly responsible for the defection of of quite a few of the chosen to the shadow! Demandred, Sammael, Lanfear, the webweaver guy. Thats a quarter right there!

[Spiridon_Deannis]

Abyss, on 19 November 2010 - 05:30 AM, said:

Spiridon_Deannis, on 19 November 2010 - 01:20 AM, said:

No need to direct - except for the Dragonlance crap, I have at least something of most of these authors. Why don´t we break it down to the simplest common denominator, because you are trying to wag the dog with the tail & this whole discussion started with that very peculiar statement of a fangirl about *mankind discussing RJ´s ubertropes for centuries to come*. My position is simply *Honey, I don´t fucking think so. Keep dreaming*.

Actually, Weis and Hickman have written more than just Dragonlance crap - try the DEATHGATE CYCLE, it's way better, and this whole discussion started because you jumped into a thread titled 'Abyss just finished Towers of Midnight another satisfied customer' apparently to disagree with people who liked the book. There are many other bright and shiny threads out there, maybe try some of those re stuff you actually liked?

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Re sales volumes ? C´mon, you wanna use THAT as a quality indicator ??? Darned, and I always thought that one of the big differentials of MBotF is that it is too sophisticated/;demanding for mass market success.

Quality indicator no. far from it. Echoing Amphi i wish SE had that level of sales but the fact is the series doesn't draw the mass flies because it is different and attracts a much more discerning class of fly.

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Somehow I get the impression you are being overly defensive because you like WoT and you are gushing about Sandersons last instalment. Dude, don´t let me stop you in your pursuit of happiness - I just don´t dig that particular cycle (anymore).

See above. it's your opinion and your entitled to it but do not step into a gush thread for the purpose of slamming people who do and expect to meet with mass love.

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Now if you gave me ths kind of shyte over Goodkind, yes, I would have to rip your head off and examine it for complete lack of brain cells...

Nah. Goodkind makes my eyes bleed. I'm still vomitting blood over the sales comment upthread.

Spiridon_Deannis, on 19 November 2010 - 04:32 AM, said:

...e then combo *New & Harsh*...kinda funny that, at the end of all discussions, the "ole boys" will insist on being the "ole boys"...- just hang out for 4-5 years, puke out some 1000-2000 tripes, and darn ! any shyte will be pardoned, because ye been around ! Makes ya think. Now don´t take this as a specific take on Terez, but on the general dynamics of these boards...Internet is a motherfucking cruel mistress, that´s all....

Gee... new person shows up and shitemouths person who's been here a while and shocker, new person gets flack for it. Further shocker for you: That's not the internet. That's life. You want to wander into a new place and actually participate, try doing it with a brain instead of an attitude and maybe old boys won't be telling you you're out of line. You seem like a well read fantasy fan and you actually have something useful to throw in and hell, you like Malazan so you can't be beyond hope.
Somewhere upthread you even acheived coherence at least, so i'll leave it with that and go back to the point of the thread.

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And yeah, would be nice if MBotF sold more, but realistically ? What crowd would we be talking about ? The whiners over at Westeros ? How do you sell a +/- 6000 page story arc that started heating up with HoC to a mass market crowd ?

Good point. The RJ solution a la NEW SPRING would be to release dumbed down prequels to draw new readers in with easier material. I doubt he needed it because EYE is a pretty basic bring-in-the-naive-farmboys series opener, but there it is.
I wonder whether NOK, given a slightly different set up, might have been that and helped people over the infamous GotM 200, but that's a Malazan topic for elseforum. And there's a whole chunk of people here who came in via Westeros by way of the many many 'i've been waiting sixteen years for the next SIF book, what else should i try?' threads.

Dude, it´s kinda funny...- I am a hothead, I will pick up a bucket of shit and throw it towards the fan & I may not even be sure if it is justified, but not care too much. Just the way I am. Sorry, but not too much...because after all, it´s entertainment...! But bottom line is - you write decent & generally well-thought-out shit here, so I do not really wanna pick a fight with you. Kinda funny, I have this talent of systematically kicking the wrong people´s balls...maybe I should patent that...

In any case, expect good ole Spiridon to flip again when the blogbitches start stumbling over each other to puke out a.s.a.p. their *critiques* of tCG, based on 5 days of skimreading, w/o remembering jackshit of what has happened before because *reread*, of course, was not ever possible...duh !

[Terez]

Spiridon_Deannis, on 27 November 2010 - 04:47 AM, said:

Dude, it´s kinda funny...- I am a hothead, I will pick up a bucket of shit and throw it towards the fan & I may not even be sure if it is justified, but not care too much. Just the way I am. Sorry, but not too much...because after all, it´s entertainment...! But bottom line is - you write decent & generally well-thought-out shit here, so I do not really wanna pick a fight with you. Kinda funny, I have this talent of systematically kicking the wrong people´s balls...maybe I should patent that...

Too late.

[Spiridon_Deannis]

Terez, on 27 November 2010 - 04:59 AM, said:

Spiridon_Deannis, on 27 November 2010 - 04:47 AM, said:

Dude, it´s kinda funny...- I am a hothead, I will pick up a bucket of shit and throw it towards the fan & I may not even be sure if it is justified, but not care too much. Just the way I am. Sorry, but not too much...because after all, it´s entertainment...! But bottom line is - you write decent & generally well-thought-out shit here, so I do not really wanna pick a fight with you. Kinda funny, I have this talent of systematically kicking the wrong people´s balls...maybe I should patent that...

Too late.

You did already ?

Dang !

Wanna share the patent ?

[Terez]

Spiridon_Deannis, on 28 November 2010 - 05:29 AM, said:

Wanna share the patent ?

I don't mind sharing it if you don't mind holding to your side of the bargain (which means you have to get yourself banned for at least six months).

[Spiridon_Deannis]

Terez, on 30 November 2010 - 05:25 AM, said:

Spiridon_Deannis, on 28 November 2010 - 05:29 AM, said:

Wanna share the patent ?

I don't mind sharing it if you don't mind holding to your side of the bargain (which means you have to get yourself banned for at least six months).

Looool !


You did THAT here ?
You´ve earned the right to keep patent exclusivity !
I´ll go pirating...

[Terez]

Spiridon_Deannis, on 01 December 2010 - 01:19 AM, said:

Terez, on 30 November 2010 - 05:25 AM, said:

Spiridon_Deannis, on 28 November 2010 - 05:29 AM, said:

Wanna share the patent ?

I don't mind sharing it if you don't mind holding to your side of the bargain (which means you have to get yourself banned for at least six months).

Looool !


You did THAT here ?
You´ve earned the right to keep patent exclusivity !
I´ll go pirating...

If you ever change your mind, I recommend telling Malaclypse he's a douchebag.

[Abyss]

TOPIC.

[Terez]

Abyss, on 01 December 2010 - 04:45 PM, said:

TOPIC.

Oooh, it's pink!

Right, topic. What did you guys think of this?

RJ/BWS said:

TITLE - Towers of Midnight
CHAPTER: 3 - The Amyrlin's Anger

She saw an enormous sphere made of the finest crystal. It sparkled in the light of twenty-three enormous stars, shining down on it where it sat on a dark hilltop. There were cracks in it, and it was being held together by ropes.

There was Rand, walking up the hillside, holding a woodsman's axe. He reached the top and hefted the axe, then swung at the ropes one at a time, chopping them free. The last one parted, and the sphere began to break apart, the beautiful globe falling in pieces. Rand shook his head.

I thought the interpretation was pretty obvious, and not what Egwene assumed (the seals).

[Abyss]

is there significance to the number 23?

[Terez]

Abyss, on 01 December 2010 - 05:37 PM, said:

is there significance to the number 23?

Some think it is the Hall of the Tower (21) plus the Amyrlin and the Keeper.

I think it's more likely the Council of Twenty-two mentioned in Aviendha's visions of the future (one Wise One and the clan chief of each clan not counting the Shaido). Plus the Dragon's blood (they are 'something' to the Aiel - not nobility, they insist, but really it's similar).

[Illuyankas]

What, the Aiel male channelers?

[Sinisdar Toste]

23 you say?