[Omtose]

Oh good, night actions are resolved right before I head out. Interesting, one dead from HZ and one dead from YS. Any idea on what role Serc might have had?

...And Mockra, you do realize that what you just said seems to be advertising yourself to be HZ or ZX?

[Omtose]

Also, bringing up Mockra's earlier post about selling out his team, that suggests that at least some of us know another member in our faction.

[Mockra]

Omtose, on 02 December 2010 - 05:49 AM, said:

Oh good, night actions are resolved right before I head out. Interesting, one dead from HZ and one dead from YS. Any idea on what role Serc might have had?

...And Mockra, you do realize that what you just said seems to be advertising yourself to be HZ or ZX?

Take it how you will.

[Omtose]

Mockra, on 02 December 2010 - 05:53 AM, said:

Omtose, on 02 December 2010 - 05:49 AM, said:

Oh good, night actions are resolved right before I head out. Interesting, one dead from HZ and one dead from YS. Any idea on what role Serc might have had?

...And Mockra, you do realize that what you just said seems to be advertising yourself to be HZ or ZX?

Take it how you will.

It just seems odd/poorly said. It's the kind of thing that I'd expect to see stated in an M&P game, not a faction game.

[Omtose]

Anyway, I'm off for the night. Assuming I don't miss out on a whole lot before the morning, I'm going to do a full read through of the thread and see if I can't pick anything up.

[Galain]

Omtose, on 02 December 2010 - 05:49 AM, said:

Oh good, night actions are resolved right before I head out. Interesting, one dead from HZ and one dead from YS. Any idea on what role Serc might have had?

...And Mockra, you do realize that what you just said seems to be advertising yourself to be HZ or ZX?

IDK but "Chief officer of personnel" sounds damned important. Recruiter? Operations master? Cool story all the same.

[Merrid]

Way to play your cards close to the chest, eh Mockra?

'Chief officer of personnel' does indeed sound important. I'd peg Operations master as the most likely culprit, although it could be a large number of things. Not good news for Yuan Shao, in any case.

[Mockra]

Fairly blind speculation, at this stage. Someone who knew the members of their team? Alternatively, someone with recruiting powers is plausible, but if so, Yuan Shao's forces are likely to be a lot smaller than previously thought (and they just got quite badly hurt).

[Merrid]

I'm rather suspicious of how that train on Mockra built up so very quickly, then died down again once Mockra came out raging, and then went up on Liosan just as quickly. Korabas was at the head of it both times. Gonna go look for similarities...

[Mockra]

Well, it was even partially Korabas' fault that the train died again, when he talked sense and asked me to remove my vote. Though at that point Rashan had removed, which influenced my decision. I dunno, it certainly is curious that he was the start of both trains.

[Merrid]

Ok so here's the vote history for the past few pages:

Galain – Liosan (useless lump of coal [lol])

Serc – Ruse (jumping on Korabas' attack on Rashan)


Mockra train

Korabas – Mockra (most useless)

Omtose – Mockra (same reason, but willing to change if hecomes back)

Galain – Mockra (just as useless as Liosan)

Silchas – Mockra (points finger at Tiamatha for ultimatelysuspicious behaviour but votes Mockra for being useless as well)

Tulas – Mockra (low-poster uselessness)

Mockra – Mockra (emo self-vote)

Rashan – Mockra (thinks me might be power role/team leaderand he's useless)


Switch

Rashan – Ruse (says Mockra just threw out some good stuff, despite the only post by Mockra betweenhis two votes was only pointing at Liosan and Kesso for seeming to contribute?)

Mockra – removes vote

Omtose – removes vote (suggests Ruse, Liosan and Kesso asother possible)


Liosan train

Korabas – votes Liosan (uselessness)

Mockra – Liosan (doesn't really give a reason, presumed uselessness)

Galain – Liosan again

Emurlahn – Liosan (no choice, not much time left)

Serc – Liosan (wants the CF)

Tiamatha – Liosan (low-poster)

Omtose – Liosan (low-poster)

Ruse – Liosan ('he was it')

Not really much I can take from that, the only people on both trains were Korabas, Mockra, Galain and Omtose, and they all had (relatively) valid reasons for doing so. I guess the most suspicious votes there are those from Silchas, Emurlahn and Ruse. Tulas too I guess, for the epic drive-by.


EDIT - fixed formatting, and added last clause

This post has been edited by Merrid: 02 December 2010 - 06:58 AM

[Kessobahn]

Omtose, on 02 December 2010 - 05:49 AM, said:

Oh good, night actions are resolved right before I head out. Interesting, one dead from HZ and one dead from YS. Any idea on what role Serc might have had?

...And Mockra, you do realize that what you just said seems to be advertising yourself to be HZ or ZX?

In a game where so far the two allied factions are thinking of themselves as being town, as opposed to YS being scum (and I've seen this line of thinking a lot), that's not exactly a giveaway.

And Serc sounds like a Recruiter. If so, YS just got a kick in the nuts, as I'm leaning more and more towards them being Cult-like (even if the language of the narrative is more militaresque, talking about infiltrators and spies and traitors and whatnot).

[Emurlahn]

Merrid, on 02 December 2010 - 06:56 AM, said:

Not really much I can take from that, the only people on both trains were Korabas, Mockra, Galain and Omtose, and they all had (relatively) valid reasons for doing so. I guess the most suspicious votes there are those from Silchas, Emurlahn and Ruse. Tulas too I guess, for the epic drive-by.


EDIT - fixed formatting, and added last clause

how are the 4 votes from the people who wernt on both trains more suspicious exactly? after all most of the reasons that the train hoppers used to lynch are exactly the same reasons that we used?

i slept through the mockra train, luckily for mockra as i would of hammered, for the exact same reason i vote for lio, there wasnt much choice to get a lynch before day one ended, and low posters are pains in the proverbial.

[Merrid]

Emurlahn, on 02 December 2010 - 07:11 AM, said:

Merrid, on 02 December 2010 - 06:56 AM, said:

Not really much I can take from that, the only people on both trains were Korabas, Mockra, Galain and Omtose, and they all had (relatively) valid reasons for doing so. I guess the most suspicious votes there are those from Silchas, Emurlahn and Ruse. Tulas too I guess, for the epic drive-by.


EDIT - fixed formatting, and added last clause

how are the 4 votes from the people who wernt on both trains more suspicious exactly? after all most of the reasons that the train hoppers used to lynch are exactly the same reasons that we used?

i slept through the mockra train, luckily for mockra as i would of hammered, for the exact same reason i vote for lio, there wasnt much choice to get a lynch before day one ended, and low posters are pains in the proverbial.

Well, Galain had already voted for Liosan, and showed a precedent of voting for the lowest poster. Omtose voted Mockra with a caveat of participation, when that was fulfilled he removed and voted Liosan once it was a foregone conclusion while actually looking Tiam (ok, that last part is suspicious cos he never actually went back and looked at him). Who else was Mockra going to vote for, really, it was self-preservation (even if extremely hypocritical). Interesting that the first person who mentions he might have a power role (Serc) ends up dead though. Korabas I'm not sure on. He expressed a marked desire to go after low-posters. I don't really get how the emo-raging caused Korabas to change his mind, but anyway.

Ruse's vote was very 'well, it's not going to be anyone else, I might as well hammer', and yours was a 'time is running out, no other options' sort of vote. Ok, not that suspicious, but the lack of preamble to the vote (most marked in Silchas, actually) read very much like people just hopping on with little thought. *shrug* almost like following a leader, perhaps. It's Day 1 though, I'm likely reading way too much into these things, the need for a lynch would override most other motivations.

EDIT - added last paragraph

This post has been edited by Merrid: 02 December 2010 - 07:32 AM

[Emurlahn]

what was there to say?

there was no real case on lio, he hadnt posted anything to make a case out of. my only reason was because it was him or no one and we were running out of time, which is what i wrote,

i could of tried to lengthen out that sentence to a few paragraphs of rubbish but i was on my way to work and didnt want to waste my time

[Rashan]

These are Tiamatha's posts up to now. there are only 7 of them, incidentally one on each page..

Tiamatha, on 30 November 2010 - 09:03 PM, said:

Can anyone actually pronouce these names without murdering the language?

Tiamatha, on 01 December 2010 - 10:45 AM, said:

If D'rek mentioned place names that aren't playable so as to add flavour and suggest that that the conlict is taking place everywhere I think they have done the same with the names.

Tiamatha, on 01 December 2010 - 07:26 PM, said:

Right just considering the map, it obvious not every single player could move cause they move to the central town which is adjacent to the three remaining towns and wipe out the point of the map.

So there has to be some players that are stationary, but the best thing to happen is for every player who can move to move to the central town, thus ensuring a higgher success rate of NA.

Cause the Yuan Shau killers are going to do that to give them the ability be able to kill anyone with their NA. What the point of sitting in a satelite town if it reduces the chance of a successful night action before other night action are considered if you have the ability to move.

If you have the ability to move then it best to move to the central town and then increase the chance of a successful NA.

Tiamatha, on 01 December 2010 - 10:54 PM, said:

The roles I think that may not be able to move, are the support roles. So leaders and healers and possibly guards.

Some suggestion that if you can move, you should try to minimise the risk by sticking to a satelite town, but that means before even other action come into account you are reducing the chance of a successful action due to not occupying the superior position.

In the early Yuan Shau will want to take the superior ground which would maximise their abilities especially if they are killers, in the end game they might retreat back to a satellite town but the allies would then have to move into the central town so as to be able to use their own abilities successfully against Yuan Shau.

The only reason why it to the advantage of staying where you are, is if you were to move it would count as a NA.you can get a extra NA compared to anyone who moves, but they will make up the loss of the NA by increasing their chance of a successful NA.

Tiamatha, on 01 December 2010 - 11:28 PM, said:

The ability of whether or not a night action succeeds is based on your characters position on the map, faction games have been won in my experience by successful night actions.

I'm calling the central town superior ground in that it is allowing players the ability to target every player in the game unless a other NA stops their ability compared to being in a satellite town where you have a 50/50 shot of the target player being in a area which your ability covers.

Tiamatha, on 01 December 2010 - 11:46 PM, said:

Liosan you are naked.

And what the bet Liosan goes insane?

Tiamatha, on 02 December 2010 - 12:07 AM, said:

Nice try Liosan to hand off there until your posts you were joint last.

But if that is all your argument is going to be , it just means you and kesso is effectively a coin toss to which one gets lynched.

I'll be heading for bed soon and I rather vote and not vote vote.

Vote Liosan

every single post is pointless. except his lynch on Liosan. He is calling Liosan out for Low posting when he was equal to it. not only that look at his posts. i have underlined a recurring theme, he is trying to get people to act. "move to the middle everyone, its better if you do this" he is basically saying he is YS and he is not stupid enough to be in the middle but if we move to the middle he can do us harm!!

have a look through, very suspicious!!

[Rashan]

to me Tiamatha is crying out YS.

I will look through the thread again but for now

Vote Tiamathan

[Korabas]

Merrid, on 02 December 2010 - 07:26 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 02 December 2010 - 07:11 AM, said:

Merrid, on 02 December 2010 - 06:56 AM, said:

Not really much I can take from that, the only people on both trains were Korabas, Mockra, Galain and Omtose, and they all had (relatively) valid reasons for doing so. I guess the most suspicious votes there are those from Silchas, Emurlahn and Ruse. Tulas too I guess, for the epic drive-by.


EDIT - fixed formatting, and added last clause

how are the 4 votes from the people who wernt on both trains more suspicious exactly? after all most of the reasons that the train hoppers used to lynch are exactly the same reasons that we used?

i slept through the mockra train, luckily for mockra as i would of hammered, for the exact same reason i vote for lio, there wasnt much choice to get a lynch before day one ended, and low posters are pains in the proverbial.

Well, Galain had already voted for Liosan, and showed a precedent of voting for the lowest poster. Omtose voted Mockra with a caveat of participation, when that was fulfilled he removed and voted Liosan once it was a foregone conclusion while actually looking Tiam (ok, that last part is suspicious cos he never actually went back and looked at him). Who else was Mockra going to vote for, really, it was self-preservation (even if extremely hypocritical). Interesting that the first person who mentions he might have a power role (Serc) ends up dead though. Korabas I'm not sure on. He expressed a marked desire to go after low-posters. I don't really get how the emo-raging caused Korabas to change his mind, but anyway.

It was not the raging, it was the fact that he had time to rage. That meant that he could spend that time productively as well, which, if you read my messages, is what I urge him to do: quit moping, man up and play the game. Not much use lynching of the useless lowposters when they prove themselves to be online and posting, is there?


Moreover, there were at that point in time only 3 players online: myself, Mockra, and I think Omtose (Rashan just did some drive-by). We all had our voted on Mockra already so he wasn't a likely lynch anymore with only 3 hours on the clock unless a few other people showed up, which I judged unlikely. Since Mockra became active, I jumped to the next lowest guy, which was Liosan, who had the added benefit of getting basic stuff from the OP wrong.

[Korabas]

Regarding Serc's role:

I would not assume automatically that he was a medium-to-extremely useful bud for Yuan Shao's faction. Master of Personell sounds awesome (I'd like it on my business card), but that could easily mean he was just in charge of hiring musicians, whipping servants and castrating eunuchs... we've seen entirely roleless people being called General of the North or something equally impressive in previous Rot3K games. Basically, it is a bit like the 18th century French court, where Master of the Chamber Pot (or something equally ridiculous) was an extremely important court function and carried by a marquis who had never ever cleaned one in his life.

The text of the story also kind of points out that Serc was not in command of that force, the two brothers were (unclear if that was flavor or they are player characters), but that might be me.

[Rashan]

Ruse's posts

Ruse, on 01 December 2010 - 02:05 AM, said:

This is just a quick post. I will be able to most more tomorrow.

checking in

Ruse, on 01 December 2010 - 03:33 PM, said:

Well after reading through all of that. I have to say when I read the OP I thought that it was pretty clear where the various areas were. So I have no idea how so many of the rest of you became so confused about locations. Based on the previous games I think that a 5 5 4 split is pretty reasonable. D'rek likes balanced games. Since this is an alternate history I wouldn't put a lot of stock into trying to figure out what names are on who's team.

I agree with Korabas that Rashan's post about his own helpfulness is suspicious as hell.

adding nothing just agreeing

Ruse, on 01 December 2010 - 03:50 PM, said:

Rashan, on 01 December 2010 - 03:44 PM, said:

Ruse, on 01 December 2010 - 03:33 PM, said:

Well after reading through all of that. I have to say when I read the OP I thought that it was pretty clear where the various areas were. So I have no idea how so many of the rest of you became so confused about locations. Based on the previous games I think that a 5 5 4 split is pretty reasonable. D'rek likes balanced games. Since this is an alternate history I wouldn't put a lot of stock into trying to figure out what names are on who's team.

I agree with Korabas that Rashan's post about his own helpfulness is suspicious as hell.

well i will disagree with you and your buddy Korabas then Ruse. I don't see how i am being suspicious by getting involved and trying to help or is this why it is suspicious? should i be a low poster? should i come on like you just did after watching for a while and make a couple of sentences agreeing with someone.. your post is more suspicious to me for that reason, at least Korabas had his own point of view and said some good things earlier in the thread

Sorry if I have finally had a minute to catch up on what everyone has been saying on thread. Gosh wouldn't want to sound like everyone else.

You are suspicious not for getting involved. But for then tooting your own horn and basically saying "Hey look at me I am a good inno helping everyone, Aren't I great." That is suspicious to me. The whole getting involved bit is fine. It is the I am a super good inno bit that I find suspicious. Because the only people who feel the need to come out and say that they are a super good inno and helping the team are scum.

That is the only thing that I agree with Korabas about. He isn't my buddy any more then you are.

this is his third post, everyone else had a lot more posts than him. yet after this he doesn't come back at me with anything, he doesn't contribute or say anything until

Ruse, on 02 December 2010 - 01:09 AM, said:

Ok I am sitting down for dinner. Sorry Liosan but I guess your it. Sorry about my low posting today. I have been busy at work and what not.

Vote Liosan

so he hasn't been on, he hasn't read anything, the last "suspicion" by him was me yet he comes on and votes Liosan

Ruse, on 02 December 2010 - 02:27 AM, said:

Korabas, on 01 December 2010 - 08:10 PM, said:

Galain, on 01 December 2010 - 07:59 PM, said:

Korabas, on 01 December 2010 - 06:00 PM, said:

Please, can we please stop about the scum/ town thing here? No such thing. This is a faction game.
In the words of D'rek:


This is a 2-sided town-less, scum-less game.

Now, if there are two sides and one side is made out of 2 factions, guess which faction is the big one?

So you're basically saying that the majority are actually in Yuan Shao's faction. That's interesting. Hopefully you still think i'm talking sensible =p

It would not surprise me at all if that is the case, enough to speak out against what everyone else think is the likely scenario, yeah.
Part of my first reason (the number thing) is based on the story, admittedly, that is risky:

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Eager to begin his invasion and capture Liu Bei’s accomplice, Huang Zhong, Yuan Shao ordered the mobilization of half a million soldiers in the capital Luo Yang, divided into five equal contingents.

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Huang Zhong's meagre forces fled Xin Ye and traveled to Xiang Yang. The city was currently under the control of Liu Zong, son of the deceased former Jingzhou governor Liu Biao. The two forces joined together to defend the city. When Yuan Shao's vanguard arrived, Liu Zong's officer Wen Ping secretly defected and then set fires at the northern gate. Yuan Shao's forces rushed into the city while Wen Ping fought off all attempts to seal the gate. Huang Zhong and Liu Zong could not secure the walls, so their forces retreated west.

Word soon came that Yuan Shao had secured the northern bank of the Xiang River and had crack troops racing south to capture Jiang Ling. Huang Zhong's master strategist, Pang Tong, said, "Fang Ling enjoys natural defenses and has ample cash and grain. It can be held indefinitely. I advise you, my lord, to station yourself there. Let young Master Zong take his forces to besiege Jiang Ling while we work our navy into fighting condition and recruit more men. We can hold Yuan Shao off by thus placing our forces in pincer formation. For us to attack Jiang Ling together would leave us isolated." "Wise counsel," Liu Zong said. "However, I would ask that your forces help escort our siege weapons to Jiang Ling. After that there'll be time enough for you to proceed to Fang Ling." "Young master Liu has a point," Huang Zhong said and, after dispatching Wei Yan to Fang Ling with five thousand men, he headed for Jiang Ling with Pang Tong and Liu Zong.

In the west of the empire Zhang Xiu, stationed at Han Zhong, heard that Yuan Shao had moved into Jingzhou and was marching on Jiang Ling double time. He therefore assembled his counselors to discuss the defense of his territory. Zhuge Jin said, "Jingzhou adjoins our territory. Rivers and mountains protect it. Its people are prosperous. If we can seize and hold the province, we will acquire the resources to establish our rule over the empire. I propose that you send me to Shang Yong to exchange formalities with Huang Zhong. I believe I can persuade him and Liu Biao's former commanders to make common cause with us against Yuan Shao. Huang Zhong's cooperation would provide a firm basis for our grand strategy." Zhang Xiu adopted the proposal and dispatched Zhuge Jin to Shang Yong with gifts.

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So, we have 5 equal contingents for Yuan Shao, a traitor joining him, and perhaps Yuan Shao himself?
We have 20k on Zhong's side, and 4 named characters and see Wei Yan leave with a quarter of the force, and although Pang Tong sounds like something you order at a take-away, he actually has a wiki page, so 4 with Zhong.


In the Zhang line, so far only Xiu and Jin are mentioned.


By taking into account there are 2 sides, I find the above a likely division, myself.

Can you please stop posting in this color. I can't read it with out highlighting it.

and then this useless post about colour.

that equals 6 posts in all i think. trying to lay low? suspicious? very. him and Tiamatha are both looking this way. again i'll have a look through but at the moment i am more than happy to try and lynch either of these two.