[Emurlahn]

Zhang xiu(leader)
Jhuge jin

Huang Zhong (leader)
Liu Zong
Pang Tong
Wei Yan

Yuan shao(leader)
Wen Ping ---defector = unknown originality, probable Huang Zhong (or at least thats how i read it)

[Emurlahn]

it was really just for me, make ur own damn lists
but mainly its because we cant put to much faith on the names given, as some may be fake

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 12 hours and 3 minutes remaining
14 Players still alive: Emurlahn, Galain, Kessobahn, Korabas, Liosan, Merrid, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Silchas Ruin, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Emurlahn, Galain, Kessobahn, Korabas, Liosan, Merrid, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Silchas Ruin, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

[Rashan]

Tiamatha, on 01 December 2010 - 10:45 AM, said:

If D'rek mentioned place names that aren't playable so as to add flavour and suggest that that the conlict is taking place everywhere I think they have done the same with the names.

yes this may be the case, however, some people may have extra locations other than the ones known to us, have you thought of that? that would mean they could only kill one person in one one city but not get killed themselves unless someone is in one of the edge cities, wild theory but it could be in there, didn't he say some roles are unknown or hidden?

Emurlahn, on 01 December 2010 - 01:05 PM, said:

Zhang xiu(leader)
Jhuge jin

Huang Zhong (leader)
Liu Zong
Pang Tong
Wei Yan

Yuan shao(leader)
Wen Ping ---defector = unknown originality, probable Huang Zhong (or at least thats how i read it)

i forgot about WY. he slipped my mind for some reason. you also have the dead bloke that lu bu? i don't know if he'd play a role as someone that was not killed but faked his own death. he could be another "bad guy" as a twist?

Emurlahn, on 01 December 2010 - 01:10 PM, said:

it was really just for me, make ur own damn lists
but mainly its because we cant put to much faith on the names given, as some may be fake

okay but at the start that is all we have to go on. the numbers do coincide with the info we have already. we know there are 14 people. we think not know that 4 of those are in HZ's army and at least 2 in ZX's and YS' army.

[Rashan]

Also it is 1400 here, in 12 hours it will be 2 in the morning, i'll be in and around for the next 3 hours. after that I will be away for a little bit but may try to make it back on with a few hours to go. Are we going to try and get a lynch today?

[Path-Shaper]

Rashan, on 01 December 2010 - 02:10 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 December 2010 - 10:45 AM, said:

If D'rek mentioned place names that aren't playable so as to add flavour and suggest that that the conlict is taking place everywhere I think they have done the same with the names.

yes this may be the case, however, some people may have extra locations other than the ones known to us, have you thought of that? that would mean they could only kill one person in one one city but not get killed themselves unless someone is in one of the edge cities, wild theory but it could be in there, didn't he say some roles are unknown or hidden?

I wouldn't be that mean, would I?

Anyways, the locations specified in the mechanics are general areas named after cities - so if someone's at Fang Ling, for game purposes they're at Shang Yong.

[Korabas]

Liosan, on 01 December 2010 - 11:43 AM, said:

Hmmm, i feel like the numbers have to be kind of closely balanced because actions blow in this game, there's a 1 out of 4 chance it will work on the person your doing it to.

OP says:

Shang Yong is in the center, with each of the other three being adjacent to it and no others. For all players, night actions are only effective on players in the same or an adjacent location. For example, a guard in Jiang Ling can guard players in Jiang Ling or in Shang Yong.

So unless you didn't read it, have a reading disorder, didn't read it thoroughly or can't read at all, you read in your PM that your action only affects your own location.

EDIT: removed a word for comprehension.

also, strange colours are due to the Malazan skin, which I now switched out of.

This post has been edited by Korabas: 01 December 2010 - 02:23 PM

[Emurlahn]

i didnt put lu bu in because he is dead and his province is now controlled, ( or was before the last installment of the story) by his son, i havent read through the story, but im assuming hes dead and buried

hoping for a lynch but day one lynches are rare, who would you vote for?

[Emurlahn]

Path-Shaper, on 01 December 2010 - 02:20 PM, said:

Rashan, on 01 December 2010 - 02:10 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 December 2010 - 10:45 AM, said:

If D'rek mentioned place names that aren't playable so as to add flavour and suggest that that the conlict is taking place everywhere I think they have done the same with the names.

yes this may be the case, however, some people may have extra locations other than the ones known to us, have you thought of that? that would mean they could only kill one person in one one city but not get killed themselves unless someone is in one of the edge cities, wild theory but it could be in there, didn't he say some roles are unknown or hidden?

I wouldn't be that mean, would I?

Anyways, the locations specified in the mechanics are general areas named after cities - so if someone's at Fang Ling, for game purposes they're at Shang Yong.

which is why we have a map, to locate which place falls within a cities influence? so it will be possible to guess where certain charicters are once theyve moved at least once...but some of those locations are not that easy to place with the playable cities, i think my heads going to hurt with this one...

[Korabas]

Emurlahn, on 01 December 2010 - 02:21 PM, said:

i didnt put lu bu in because he is dead and his province is now controlled, ( or was before the last installment of the story) by his son, i havent read through the story, but im assuming hes dead and buried

hoping for a lynch but day one lynches are rare, who would you vote for?

Oh, a noob question
Now, is it genuine, or fake?

[Merrid]

Rashan, on 01 December 2010 - 02:10 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 December 2010 - 10:45 AM, said:

If D'rek mentioned place names that aren't playable so as to add flavour and suggest that that the conlict is taking place everywhere I think they have done the same with the names.

yes this may be the case, however, some people may have extra locations other than the ones known to us, have you thought of that? that would mean they could only kill one person in one one city but not get killed themselves unless someone is in one of the edge cities, wild theory but it could be in there, didn't he say some roles are unknown or hidden?

It's possible, but I'm not sure how that sort of WIFOM is helpful? If it's hidden we won't know about it, and it doesn't necessarily follow that if the names are in-game so must the locations. I think you're over-complicating things, as there's no use in speculating about hidden locations and hidden roles should they exist.


EDIT - epic x-post

This post has been edited by Merrid: 01 December 2010 - 02:32 PM

[Path-Shaper]

Emurlahn, on 01 December 2010 - 02:25 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 01 December 2010 - 02:20 PM, said:

Rashan, on 01 December 2010 - 02:10 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 December 2010 - 10:45 AM, said:

If D'rek mentioned place names that aren't playable so as to add flavour and suggest that that the conlict is taking place everywhere I think they have done the same with the names.

yes this may be the case, however, some people may have extra locations other than the ones known to us, have you thought of that? that would mean they could only kill one person in one one city but not get killed themselves unless someone is in one of the edge cities, wild theory but it could be in there, didn't he say some roles are unknown or hidden?

I wouldn't be that mean, would I?

Anyways, the locations specified in the mechanics are general areas named after cities - so if someone's at Fang Ling, for game purposes they're at Shang Yong.

which is why we have a map, to locate which place falls within a cities influence? so it will be possible to guess where certain charicters are once theyve moved at least once...but some of those locations are not that easy to place with the playable cities, i think my heads going to hurt with this one...

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[Emurlahn]

Zhang xiu(leader)=stationed at Han Zhong (easily confused with Huang Zhong the person...)
zhuge jin =Shang Yong

Huang Zhong (leader) = Jiang Ling
Liu Zong = Jiang Ling
Pang Tong =Jiang Ling
Wei Yan is = Fang Ling

Yuan shao(leader)Xiang River
Wen Ping ---defector = unknown originality, probable Huang Zhong (or at least thats how i read it) presumably in Xiang Yang still

[Emurlahn]

also it said that Zhang xiu called all his advisors so its resonable to assume that apart from zhuge jin, there all at han zhong

its also not a huge leap to assume that all yuan shaos forces are at wan cheng apart from the defector and himself

[Rashan]

Merrid, on 01 December 2010 - 02:30 PM, said:

Rashan, on 01 December 2010 - 02:10 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 December 2010 - 10:45 AM, said:

If D'rek mentioned place names that aren't playable so as to add flavour and suggest that that the conlict is taking place everywhere I think they have done the same with the names.

yes this may be the case, however, some people may have extra locations other than the ones known to us, have you thought of that? that would mean they could only kill one person in one one city but not get killed themselves unless someone is in one of the edge cities, wild theory but it could be in there, didn't he say some roles are unknown or hidden?

It's possible, but I'm not sure how that sort of WIFOM is helpful? If it's hidden we won't know about it, and it doesn't necessarily follow that if the names are in-game so must the locations. I think you're over-complicating things, as there's no use in speculating about hidden locations and hidden roles should they exist.


EDIT - epic x-post

well it opens up a possibility. it means that we are aware of possibilities and that after a few days if we are not closer to getting team "bad" then we could look at the possibility of team bad not being in one of the edged cities and being in an outer edge. Helpful? your post wasn't helpful, are you going to offer some "helpful" speculation/thoughts?

[Emurlahn]

saying that those the given location for yuan shaos and the wen ping are right on the border so that could be considered wan cheng too

[Rashan]

Emurlahn, on 01 December 2010 - 02:21 PM, said:

i didnt put lu bu in because he is dead and his province is now controlled, ( or was before the last installment of the story) by his son, i havent read through the story, but im assuming hes dead and buried

hoping for a lynch but day one lynches are rare, who would you vote for?

I don't know yet. I wouldn't want to hurt one of the "goodies" but it could be a good idea to sound out someone

Emurlahn, on 01 December 2010 - 02:40 PM, said:

Zhang xiu(leader)=stationed at Han Zhong (easily confused with Huang Zhong the person...)
zhuge jin =Shang Yong

Huang Zhong (leader) = Jiang Ling
Liu Zong = Jiang Ling
Pang Tong =Jiang Ling
Wei Yan is = Fang Ling

Yuan shao(leader)Xiang River
Wen Ping ---defector = unknown originality, probable Huang Zhong (or at least thats how i read it) presumably in Xiang Yang still

seems very complicated. i like the mini map diagram from earlier. i don't think places matter too much this early in the game, once we know numbers of teams then we can do the odds on a lynch, although the odds could look favourable to the "bad guys" now that I think of it.

[Merrid]

Rashan, on 01 December 2010 - 02:45 PM, said:

Merrid, on 01 December 2010 - 02:30 PM, said:

Rashan, on 01 December 2010 - 02:10 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 December 2010 - 10:45 AM, said:

If D'rek mentioned place names that aren't playable so as to add flavour and suggest that that the conlict is taking place everywhere I think they have done the same with the names.

yes this may be the case, however, some people may have extra locations other than the ones known to us, have you thought of that? that would mean they could only kill one person in one one city but not get killed themselves unless someone is in one of the edge cities, wild theory but it could be in there, didn't he say some roles are unknown or hidden?

It's possible, but I'm not sure how that sort of WIFOM is helpful? If it's hidden we won't know about it, and it doesn't necessarily follow that if the names are in-game so must the locations. I think you're over-complicating things, as there's no use in speculating about hidden locations and hidden roles should they exist.


EDIT - epic x-post

well it opens up a possibility. it means that we are aware of possibilities and that after a few days if we are not closer to getting team "bad" then we could look at the possibility of team bad not being in one of the edged cities and being in an outer edge. Helpful? your post wasn't helpful, are you going to offer some "helpful" speculation/thoughts?

As far as I'm aware, the location of a player doesn't affect our ability to lynch them, so unless you're talking about failed NAs (and I don't know why you would be) where they are is really irrelevant for the purposes of 'getting them' unless you are a killer or vig. Besides, PS has already stated that the locations refer to general vicinities, and I don't see how an extra location that could only affect one city is at all helpful to anyone unless they are going to be targeted a lot, but BPs address that problem in the same way without hampering effectiveness so there's no need for the mechanic.

As for speculation, I'm not sure how much stock we can place in the names. But it's a good start, and Emurlahn has pretty much written out what I have, so I'll go by it until we're proved otherwise.

EDIT - added 'but' and 'so'

This post has been edited by Merrid: 01 December 2010 - 03:00 PM

[Omtose]

I'd say we got a lot of information from that. If we assume that people who are in minor cities are considered stationed at the nearest large city, than we know the position of quite a few people. Of course, all that'll change once people start moving to ensure that their actions go through.

[Emurlahn]

aslong as i have time ill try to keep that updated, just dont you all start running round in circle just to keep me busy!