[Mockra]

Thanks Rashan.

[Korabas]

Mockra, on 01 December 2010 - 10:35 PM, said:

Korabas, on 01 December 2010 - 10:29 PM, said:

Mockra, on 01 December 2010 - 10:16 PM, said:

Galain, on 01 December 2010 - 10:11 PM, said:

Mockra, on 01 December 2010 - 10:06 PM, said:

You know exactly what I fucking mean Tulas. And in a game where night actions and operations are going to be almost as valuable as lynches, you want to lynch an unknown just because they haven't participated yet?

No, fuck it. I'd ask for a modkill, but that wouldn't hurt you lot as much as lynching me. Of all the fucking day's and game's to finally man up and lynch on day one you picked one where I was indisposed? Well, que sera, sera, I guess. I'm not even going to try and participate because there isn't time for the lynch to stall out. And you have no idea how tempted I am to sell my team down the fucking toilet before someone hammers because of this....

Crybaby attitude. Get lynched early, may as well try to screw up the game as much as possible, right? Bravo.

Yup, and you only have yourselves to blame. It would be different if, I dunno, I was getting lynched for a proper reason. But those aren't good enough for you guys, are they? No, you have to have something useless like "he's not contributing (on day one!) gasp" to actually motivate into a lynch. Mafia is fucking dead on this forum.

Tsk tsk.

You admit as much as anyone else that a day one lynch was something we used to have, and don't have nowadays.
You talk even about manning up so you agree it is more or less necessary. Now, if you had actually posted something that would indicate you'd be gone for the length of the game day, and would be able to play once back, well, things might have been different and we might have picked another target, because we're usually lenient with this kind of thing when RL is mentioned. You didn't, and thus, you gambled that we'd forget about you. We didn't.

Whether you are a faction leader or not, you simply didn't take a simple precaution that WOULD have saved your ass. I for one would not have voted for you. So yeah, blame us/me (as mine was the first vote) as much as you like, but don't throw a tantrum or call the game dead.


Also, you actually demand a proper reason? Like in a case? Day one? I think the last time THAT happened, it was Mac drunk posting he was scum. Moreover, if we had to have a case on day 1, everyone who only posted a one-lined greeting would be safe automatically. That would be when the game is dead.

As for throwing your team to the sharks, well, that's deliberately screwing your team for a decision they'd know little about just because you feel fucked (and whether or not that feeling is something I can sympathize with, is an entirely different thing).
It would be fucking bad sportmanship and frankly, I'd be incredibly pissed off as you screw something a mod took a lot of time to develop and 13 others than you to sign up to play and have fun in. Moreoever, we have a new guy on board, way to show how malazan mafia is all about the fun.

Bottomline: when away for an extended duration, say it.

If I had the time I would have - it's a rush to get out the door that early in the morning to get a solid day in, and I didn't even realise we were going so early until after I posted my intro.

And when I say 'proper' reason, I'm referencing all the OTHER day one cases of "oh, he said this" which we for some reason HAVEN'T LYNCHED PEOPLE OVER. A much higher basis for a lynch and yet we keep passing them over, and then I get shafted due to RL because we finally decide lynching on day one is a good thing.

Well, call it an unlucky convergence of circumstances, then - game you look forward to, being away, getting lynched. It sucks, but shit happens - has happened to most of us. However, I usually punch a wall, get me a drink and sit down, not vent my anger on thread.

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As for being 'safe', no I don't believe so, but as I said above there's normally usually at least a BIT of grace period.

Which would not have resulted in a lynch, which you admit underneath is a good thing for malazan mafia in general .

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Look, I understand this lynch is a good thing for the game, hence why I am voting self (there's no town/scum, so it's not a self-serving maneuver) - to speed the process along. I realize that living another day is not going to be good, nor pleasant.

actually, if you remove, there may not be a lynch, your faction may not end up a member short, and there is plenty of material to react to and contribute with today/tomorrow, as you may start as lynch target number one, but good reasoning will turn that away.

I'd recommend you remove. If we do not get a lynch because others fail to show up or don't feel the need to lynch, or don't want to lynch you, fair game to you.

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And I said the 'temptation to' - that's an indication of just how much this shit sucks for me, that I'd even be tempted to do it. Yes, it would suck if I did, but I won't: only because I love mafia and don't want to fuck it up for everyone else. But I am THAT annoyed that this shit finally caught up with us when I was busy.

Well, at the least you had a good day

[Mockra]

You also all do realize that zero-content posts is better than attempting-content posts in terms of finding important/factioned folk, right? Like, I dunno, Liosan and Kessobahn with their two, "I want to seem like I'm contributing" posts. *sigh*

[Korabas]

Mockra, on 01 December 2010 - 10:45 PM, said:

You also all do realize that zero-content posts is better than attempting-content posts in terms of finding important/factioned folk, right? Like, I dunno, Liosan and Kessobahn with their two, "I want to seem like I'm contributing" posts. *sigh*

I expect them to catch a night action or two. Since everyone is roled, that's quite the possibility, especially now that you mention it. Liosan already stumbled heavily by completely failing to comprehend the OP, Kesso I don't have a read on, I must admit.
But you know as well as I do that we can lynch only one guy a day, and in all fairness, I started voting bottom up, namely with the only guy who had 1 post.

[Rashan]

Mockra I am going to bed and you just threw a lot of good stuff out. I would be annoyed if I was you and what you say is true. Now that you're playing I will remove my vote, you make good sense, Ruse is on my Radar Silchas and Serc make good points. i hope your not a "baddie"

Remove vote

Vote Ruse

[Mockra]

Korabas, on 01 December 2010 - 10:43 PM, said:

Mockra, on 01 December 2010 - 10:35 PM, said:

Korabas, on 01 December 2010 - 10:29 PM, said:

Mockra, on 01 December 2010 - 10:16 PM, said:

Galain, on 01 December 2010 - 10:11 PM, said:

Mockra, on 01 December 2010 - 10:06 PM, said:

You know exactly what I fucking mean Tulas. And in a game where night actions and operations are going to be almost as valuable as lynches, you want to lynch an unknown just because they haven't participated yet?

No, fuck it. I'd ask for a modkill, but that wouldn't hurt you lot as much as lynching me. Of all the fucking day's and game's to finally man up and lynch on day one you picked one where I was indisposed? Well, que sera, sera, I guess. I'm not even going to try and participate because there isn't time for the lynch to stall out. And you have no idea how tempted I am to sell my team down the fucking toilet before someone hammers because of this....

Crybaby attitude. Get lynched early, may as well try to screw up the game as much as possible, right? Bravo.

Yup, and you only have yourselves to blame. It would be different if, I dunno, I was getting lynched for a proper reason. But those aren't good enough for you guys, are they? No, you have to have something useless like "he's not contributing (on day one!) gasp" to actually motivate into a lynch. Mafia is fucking dead on this forum.

Tsk tsk.

You admit as much as anyone else that a day one lynch was something we used to have, and don't have nowadays.
You talk even about manning up so you agree it is more or less necessary. Now, if you had actually posted something that would indicate you'd be gone for the length of the game day, and would be able to play once back, well, things might have been different and we might have picked another target, because we're usually lenient with this kind of thing when RL is mentioned. You didn't, and thus, you gambled that we'd forget about you. We didn't.

Whether you are a faction leader or not, you simply didn't take a simple precaution that WOULD have saved your ass. I for one would not have voted for you. So yeah, blame us/me (as mine was the first vote) as much as you like, but don't throw a tantrum or call the game dead.


Also, you actually demand a proper reason? Like in a case? Day one? I think the last time THAT happened, it was Mac drunk posting he was scum. Moreover, if we had to have a case on day 1, everyone who only posted a one-lined greeting would be safe automatically. That would be when the game is dead.

As for throwing your team to the sharks, well, that's deliberately screwing your team for a decision they'd know little about just because you feel fucked (and whether or not that feeling is something I can sympathize with, is an entirely different thing).
It would be fucking bad sportmanship and frankly, I'd be incredibly pissed off as you screw something a mod took a lot of time to develop and 13 others than you to sign up to play and have fun in. Moreoever, we have a new guy on board, way to show how malazan mafia is all about the fun.

Bottomline: when away for an extended duration, say it.

If I had the time I would have - it's a rush to get out the door that early in the morning to get a solid day in, and I didn't even realise we were going so early until after I posted my intro.

And when I say 'proper' reason, I'm referencing all the OTHER day one cases of "oh, he said this" which we for some reason HAVEN'T LYNCHED PEOPLE OVER. A much higher basis for a lynch and yet we keep passing them over, and then I get shafted due to RL because we finally decide lynching on day one is a good thing.

Well, call it an unlucky convergence of circumstances, then - game you look forward to, being away, getting lynched. It sucks, but shit happens - has happened to most of us. However, I usually punch a wall, get me a drink and sit down, not vent my anger on thread.

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As for being 'safe', no I don't believe so, but as I said above there's normally usually at least a BIT of grace period.

Which would not have resulted in a lynch, which you admit underneath is a good thing for malazan mafia in general .

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Look, I understand this lynch is a good thing for the game, hence why I am voting self (there's no town/scum, so it's not a self-serving maneuver) - to speed the process along. I realize that living another day is not going to be good, nor pleasant.

actually, if you remove, there may not be a lynch, your faction may not end up a member short, and there is plenty of material to react to and contribute with today/tomorrow, as you may start as lynch target number one, but good reasoning will turn that away.

I'd recommend you remove. If we do not get a lynch because others fail to show up or don't feel the need to lynch, or don't want to lynch you, fair game to you.

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And I said the 'temptation to' - that's an indication of just how much this shit sucks for me, that I'd even be tempted to do it. Yes, it would suck if I did, but I won't: only because I love mafia and don't want to fuck it up for everyone else. But I am THAT annoyed that this shit finally caught up with us when I was busy.

Well, at the least you had a good day

Yes, there is that as a saving grace, lol.

Well, I will remove, as Rashan has, and will see what else I can come up with...

Remove vote

[Rashan]

both times, the time i voted you and this time removing the vote there was nothing in between. i removed it before you thanked me after i read what you had said. it looks like i'm waivering here there and everywhere its just that the posts came in between what i wrote.

[Korabas]

Rashan, on 01 December 2010 - 10:48 PM, said:

Mockra I am going to bed and you just threw a lot of good stuff out. I would be annoyed if I was you and what you say is true. Now that you're playing I will remove my vote, you make good sense, Ruse is on my Radar Silchas and Serc make good points. i hope your not a "baddie"

Remove vote

Vote Ruse

I personally disagree about 'good stuff'. A load of anger and stuff that I can summon some sympathy for, and a finger pointed at two guys essentially in the same position as he is, with the addition that Liosan well and truly fucked up on reading comprehension regarding the OP. However, many of us didn't catch all the elements, so I guess he can catch up from that by reading the past 4 pages where we figure it all out.

I'd still urge him to remove his vote.

[Korabas]

Mockra, on 01 December 2010 - 10:51 PM, said:

Korabas, on 01 December 2010 - 10:43 PM, said:

Mockra, on 01 December 2010 - 10:35 PM, said:

Korabas, on 01 December 2010 - 10:29 PM, said:

Mockra, on 01 December 2010 - 10:16 PM, said:

Galain, on 01 December 2010 - 10:11 PM, said:

Mockra, on 01 December 2010 - 10:06 PM, said:

You know exactly what I fucking mean Tulas. And in a game where night actions and operations are going to be almost as valuable as lynches, you want to lynch an unknown just because they haven't participated yet?

No, fuck it. I'd ask for a modkill, but that wouldn't hurt you lot as much as lynching me. Of all the fucking day's and game's to finally man up and lynch on day one you picked one where I was indisposed? Well, que sera, sera, I guess. I'm not even going to try and participate because there isn't time for the lynch to stall out. And you have no idea how tempted I am to sell my team down the fucking toilet before someone hammers because of this....

Crybaby attitude. Get lynched early, may as well try to screw up the game as much as possible, right? Bravo.

Yup, and you only have yourselves to blame. It would be different if, I dunno, I was getting lynched for a proper reason. But those aren't good enough for you guys, are they? No, you have to have something useless like "he's not contributing (on day one!) gasp" to actually motivate into a lynch. Mafia is fucking dead on this forum.

Tsk tsk.

You admit as much as anyone else that a day one lynch was something we used to have, and don't have nowadays.
You talk even about manning up so you agree it is more or less necessary. Now, if you had actually posted something that would indicate you'd be gone for the length of the game day, and would be able to play once back, well, things might have been different and we might have picked another target, because we're usually lenient with this kind of thing when RL is mentioned. You didn't, and thus, you gambled that we'd forget about you. We didn't.

Whether you are a faction leader or not, you simply didn't take a simple precaution that WOULD have saved your ass. I for one would not have voted for you. So yeah, blame us/me (as mine was the first vote) as much as you like, but don't throw a tantrum or call the game dead.


Also, you actually demand a proper reason? Like in a case? Day one? I think the last time THAT happened, it was Mac drunk posting he was scum. Moreover, if we had to have a case on day 1, everyone who only posted a one-lined greeting would be safe automatically. That would be when the game is dead.

As for throwing your team to the sharks, well, that's deliberately screwing your team for a decision they'd know little about just because you feel fucked (and whether or not that feeling is something I can sympathize with, is an entirely different thing).
It would be fucking bad sportmanship and frankly, I'd be incredibly pissed off as you screw something a mod took a lot of time to develop and 13 others than you to sign up to play and have fun in. Moreoever, we have a new guy on board, way to show how malazan mafia is all about the fun.

Bottomline: when away for an extended duration, say it.

If I had the time I would have - it's a rush to get out the door that early in the morning to get a solid day in, and I didn't even realise we were going so early until after I posted my intro.

And when I say 'proper' reason, I'm referencing all the OTHER day one cases of "oh, he said this" which we for some reason HAVEN'T LYNCHED PEOPLE OVER. A much higher basis for a lynch and yet we keep passing them over, and then I get shafted due to RL because we finally decide lynching on day one is a good thing.

Well, call it an unlucky convergence of circumstances, then - game you look forward to, being away, getting lynched. It sucks, but shit happens - has happened to most of us. However, I usually punch a wall, get me a drink and sit down, not vent my anger on thread.

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As for being 'safe', no I don't believe so, but as I said above there's normally usually at least a BIT of grace period.

Which would not have resulted in a lynch, which you admit underneath is a good thing for malazan mafia in general .

Quote

Look, I understand this lynch is a good thing for the game, hence why I am voting self (there's no town/scum, so it's not a self-serving maneuver) - to speed the process along. I realize that living another day is not going to be good, nor pleasant.

actually, if you remove, there may not be a lynch, your faction may not end up a member short, and there is plenty of material to react to and contribute with today/tomorrow, as you may start as lynch target number one, but good reasoning will turn that away.

I'd recommend you remove. If we do not get a lynch because others fail to show up or don't feel the need to lynch, or don't want to lynch you, fair game to you.

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And I said the 'temptation to' - that's an indication of just how much this shit sucks for me, that I'd even be tempted to do it. Yes, it would suck if I did, but I won't: only because I love mafia and don't want to fuck it up for everyone else. But I am THAT annoyed that this shit finally caught up with us when I was busy.

Well, at the least you had a good day

Yes, there is that as a saving grace, lol.

Well, I will remove, as Rashan has, and will see what else I can come up with...

Remove vote

Good.

[Tiamatha]

The roles I think that may not be able to move, are the support roles. So leaders and healers and possibly guards.

Some suggestion that if you can move, you should try to minimise the risk by sticking to a satelite town, but that means before even other action come into account you are reducing the chance of a successful action due to not occupying the superior position.

In the early Yuan Shau will want to take the superior ground which would maximise their abilities especially if they are killers, in the end game they might retreat back to a satellite town but the allies would then have to move into the central town so as to be able to use their own abilities successfully against Yuan Shau.

The only reason why it to the advantage of staying where you are, is if you were to move it would count as a NA.you can get a extra NA compared to anyone who moves, but they will make up the loss of the NA by increasing their chance of a successful NA.

[Omtose]

As I said, I'd remove my vote if you started playing. It seems you've cooled off now and are ready to contribute, so as promised:

Remove vote

Now, who do we want to go for? It'd be interesting to see if anyone can build a case (Rashan, can you please restate/quote why Ruse if on your radar?), or if we want to just go for a low poster as we were before (if so, that indicates Liosan, followed by Kessobahn I believe).

[Korabas]

Ruse was on Rashan's radar for attacking him, mostly about not understanding the way the locations on the map were connected.

[Korabas]

I'd be about as happy with a Liosan or Kesso lynch as I am/was with a Mockra one.
It gives a CF and not much else as the train was mostly consisting of people who want a lynch.
Only thing it gave away through the speed is that no-one actually knew Mockra as being in their faction, except perhaps for Serc (who tried to slow down the train on humanitarian grounds) and Rashan (who voted and removed quickly).

funnily enough, there was a position earlier on where it really seemed Serc was defending Rashan, so I now have this pencil drawn triangle on my notepad as a result.

[Mockra]

Ruse, on 01 December 2010 - 02:05 AM, said:

This is just a quick post. I will be able to most more tomorrow.

Checking in.

Ruse, on 01 December 2010 - 03:33 PM, said:

Well after reading through all of that. I have to say when I read the OP I thought that it was pretty clear where the various areas were. So I have no idea how so many of the rest of you became so confused about locations. Based on the previous games I think that a 5 5 4 split is pretty reasonable. D'rek likes balanced games. Since this is an alternate history I wouldn't put a lot of stock into trying to figure out what names are on who's team.

I agree with Korabas that Rashan's post about his own helpfulness is suspicious as hell.

Basic dist. spec. Agreeing with Korabas about Ruse.

Ruse, on 01 December 2010 - 03:50 PM, said:

Rashan, on 01 December 2010 - 03:44 PM, said:

Ruse, on 01 December 2010 - 03:33 PM, said:

Well after reading through all of that. I have to say when I read the OP I thought that it was pretty clear where the various areas were. So I have no idea how so many of the rest of you became so confused about locations. Based on the previous games I think that a 5 5 4 split is pretty reasonable. D'rek likes balanced games. Since this is an alternate history I wouldn't put a lot of stock into trying to figure out what names are on who's team.

I agree with Korabas that Rashan's post about his own helpfulness is suspicious as hell.

well i will disagree with you and your buddy Korabas then Ruse. I don't see how i am being suspicious by getting involved and trying to help or is this why it is suspicious? should i be a low poster? should i come on like you just did after watching for a while and make a couple of sentences agreeing with someone.. your post is more suspicious to me for that reason, at least Korabas had his own point of view and said some good things earlier in the thread

Sorry if I have finally had a minute to catch up on what everyone has been saying on thread. Gosh wouldn't want to sound like everyone else.

You are suspicious not for getting involved. But for then tooting your own horn and basically saying "Hey look at me I am a good inno helping everyone, Aren't I great." That is suspicious to me. The whole getting involved bit is fine. It is the I am a super good inno bit that I find suspicious. Because the only people who feel the need to come out and say that they are a super good inno and helping the team are scum.

That is the only thing that I agree with Korabas about. He isn't my buddy any more then you are.

Defending himself against Rashan's counter. Which is possibly why Rashan doesn't like him?
I mean, he hasn't actually said anything else, which is kind of suspicious in a cruising-coasting way, I honsetly left him alone when I mentioned Lio and Kesso because I thought he'd posted waaaaaay more content than this...

[Omtose]

Hmm, alright.

Looks like we have about 2 hours left until night. Do we want to gun for Liosan like Galain suggested earlier (Liosan has made 2 posts so far, I believe)? From what I saw, people voted for Mockra based on the fact that he wasn't around; by that logic, people shouldn't have any trouble voting for Liosan, unless people's view on low posters has completely changed.

[Korabas]

Well...

Remove vote
vote Liosan

I somewhat dislike that Mockra has seemed to have disappeared again now that he's a bit safer, but he might be actually reading the thread now.

[Korabas]

Korabas, on 01 December 2010 - 11:01 PM, said:

Well...

Remove vote
vote Liosan

I somewhat dislike that Mockra has seemed to have disappeared again now that he's a bit safer, but he might be actually reading the thread now.

That was a cross-post with Mockra digging up the relevant post.

[Mockra]

"Humanitarian reasons" -> pure gold, I'm liking you more and more Korabas.

[Mockra]

In my defence, I always read the thread up before I start posting - so I was up to date before I began encountering my speed-train, and started posting. I'm just re-reading to find shit.

[Omtose]

Hmm, nice bringing up Ruse not being around much. I suppose at this point I'm fine with either Liosan or Ruse.