[Path-Shaper]

Ding ding ding, give Breadmaster a cookie for an incredible deduction. VERY impressive.

Fener, on 20 October 2010 - 03:10 PM, said:

But the the mistborns and the inquisitors can use all types of metal, so it's not like there's no point in listing them all out even if certain metals aren't solely specific to a role.

A role is inherently tied to the metal you use, so I'm leaning toward all factions being exactly the same and some metals are only used by the more powerful players.

[Path-Shaper]

I give Vengey some helpful advice =D

Mockra, on 20 October 2010 - 04:29 PM, said:

I always devote energy to playing... Which is why I was out after 2 days in the last game...

Path-Shaper, on 20 October 2010 - 04:34 PM, said:

The trick is to

1) Make yourself lynchable so people don't kill you and then
2) Make yourself hard to lynch, so people don't lynch you

=)

Mockra, on 20 October 2010 - 04:40 PM, said:

Oh I know the trick... It is a trick that is easier to pull off if you are actually scum then when you are inno. When you are inno the line is fine and fluid. When you are scum the line is wide and solid.


Now I have two people Tulas, M somebody, saying that I am suspicious because I said that going on about possible FM's in the game is fear mongering and that I won't play at it.

Which is stupid. If there is a FM we will find out in due course. Going off about it just provides cover for everyone else to try to hide behind....sigh..

Which the people who are doing it know and so that is why they are doing it. Then I call them out and I am the the scum...sigh..

Path-Shaper, on 20 October 2010 - 04:51 PM, said:

Well I know from plenty of experience that people will nail you to a wall if you talk about something ;D

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 20 October 2010 - 04:51 PM

[Path-Shaper]

alt, there's no indication on how many metals a Mistborn can burn in one night.

[Path-Shaper]

Path-Shaper, on 20 October 2010 - 05:11 PM, said:

alt, there's no indication on how many metals a Mistborn can burn in one night.

I mentioned in a PM somewhere it is one of each kind, any combination so long as Bronze and Copper are not used together. So a mistborn can submit seven provisionals if they feel the need.

[Path-Shaper]

Tapper is afeared that he's already found out... Bent semi-analyzed a post. Gasp.

Tulas Shorn, on 20 October 2010 - 06:12 PM, said:

Well, first post and the first controversy of the game. I'm not going to live long, I am not going to post much, but I am determined to have fun

I think I am well on track to make a first division in the crowd on what should be a totally not interesting issue regarding the set-up of the game.

Unless you guys included a fifth faction, that is, in which case I will curse you to hell and back and make you all voteless RIs in my next game.

Path-Shaper, on 20 October 2010 - 06:38 PM, said:

You're throwing in the towel after one post you made got talked about? Tapper, you're better than that! =D

Also, lurk less, post more! =D

-pb

Bent's got a good head on his shoulders. For now, he's also looking to stalk Gwynn, an enemy Mistborn!

Galain, on 20 October 2010 - 06:26 PM, said:

Night one -

Burn Copper

also I want to burn a piece of Iron to keep from being shot by someone, lol

and finally

Burn Tin and follow Gamelon.

Thats all for now, but is subject to change based on a whim or my amazing gut, lol

Ment's trying to offer an explanation for his low-posting.

Mockra, on 20 October 2010 - 06:29 PM, said:

That is one of the reasons why I have been low posting. Well that and work and school.

Path-Shaper, on 20 October 2010 - 06:42 PM, said:

I find that when I post a lot, the odds of survival go up quite a bit. Everyone wants to lynch you (harder to NK) but nobody really wants you to be gone (harder to lynch).

Mockra, on 20 October 2010 - 08:01 PM, said:

That is the case after day one or if there is no day one lynch then day two. I think that if you take a side in an argument during day one you increase your odds of getting lynched.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 20 October 2010 - 08:03 PM

[Path-Shaper]

Just double-checking the rules but Copper only hides your metal and not your faction. Tin used by Tineyes fails against Mistborn, but as far as I can tell, it will succeed against Gamelon.

[Path-Shaper]

Bent's explaining his strategy here, which I find to be fairly sound.

Galain, on 20 October 2010 - 07:58 PM, said:

Holding onto metals that are kill powered or find powered as long as possible. Narrow the field as it were, then burst them in 3 or 4 big shots. (Hoping I survive long enough to do so. lol)

[HoosierDaddy]

Mistborn on Mistborn tin-seeking shouldn't pierce copper clouds, PB. At least that's my interpretation. So that'd be No Result... which is pretty much a big ass clue, but not the same.

[Path-Shaper]

HD, Copper does this:

Your allomantic power is the ability to burn Copper, the internal mental pulling metal. Burning Copper allows you to hide your allomantic power and those of the people around you from someone burning Bronze.

Tin does this:

On any night you may submit to the mods that you wish to swallow one piece of Tin, along with a target. You will then use your enhanced senses to follow your target after they leave the ball in order to determine their faction.

I don't see how Copper stops Tin.

[Path-Shaper]

Here's Bent with some guesses. He's correctly identified Sukul, so if that's not picked up by other teams, that's a fantastic play by The Dude. He has Mockr, Merrid, and Tulas Shorn wrong on all accounts, but none are in his faction. I think he's also confused about what he does or doesn't know...

Galain, on 20 October 2010 - 08:11 PM, said:

This is me, thinking that my fellow Venture's know who I am.

This is also me, thinking Sakul is on my team (based on the I agree and endorse Galain's post" - post.

This is me, thinking I am guessing at all of this. However - here goes nothing

Mockra and Merrid are both in the same faction, one is a leader, probably Merrid.

I also made note of Tulas Shorn and Merrid's convo, Merrid said TS wasn't fear-mongering, makes me wary of signalling and distancing. Signalling to TS and distancing from Mockra, by Merrid.

What are the odds that the factions dont all know each other, that x knows y, y knows z, and z knows a. A is me and I know no one. But I have a Kandra and can shift him into b and I will then know b?

Hmmm. Problem is, x and y (if z is Kandra) will no longer know z. Interesting....

More later.

Path-Shaper, on 20 October 2010 - 09:05 PM, said:

What? I'm pretty sure you know the Kandra in your faction, per your PM.

[Path-Shaper]

Also, props to Ment for getting the voting rolling, but he's voting for his own mate. Maybe all of the teams will start by kicking themselves in the teeth?

[Path-Shaper]

In response to Tapper maybe being lynched, he offers a useful nugget.

Tulas Shorn, on 20 October 2010 - 09:23 PM, said:

Not throwing the towel, but at some point it is going to backfire or make me seem like a worthwhile target

Path-Shaper, on 20 October 2010 - 09:30 PM, said:

Well, you know my response to people wanting to lynch me, right? Post so much people people are buried in your words!

Tulas Shorn, on 20 October 2010 - 09:40 PM, said:

Nah, not going to do that just yet.
What troubles me is that I won';t be back before the end of the day and there is just no real target to vote for. I think I'll just go *poof* and disappear.

Tulas Shorn, on 20 October 2010 - 09:50 PM, said:

I'll now go * poof *

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 20 October 2010 - 09:52 PM

[HoosierDaddy]

You were right, I was confusing two metals. That being said, I still don't think it should go through.

I'm using the tin-eye mechanic functioning as it would the same for Mistborn as it would the regular tin-eye. Thus, it doesn't work.

**Mod's note: Should the tineye target a Mistborn or SI, their action will fail. As with being guarded their action will simply return no result**

This post has been edited by H.D.: 20 October 2010 - 09:44 PM

[Path-Shaper]

Well, I dunno, I want to hear alt's ruling before we go and make a call like that.

[HoosierDaddy]

Oh, I agree. Just throwing my interpretation out there.

[Path-Shaper]

Silencer is setting up some lists...

Liosan, on 20 October 2010 - 10:52 PM, said:

OK, so people I'm going to avoid killing for now:

Merrid.
Sukul.
Korvalain.
Shadow - too much of an easy out for "this guy must the inquisitor look at how he talks about it!
Serc.


***
People I'm considering targetting tonight:

Emurlahn.
Galain.
Tulas.
Silchas.
Korabas.



So, based on this, I would like to change my provisional:

Use Bronze on Merrid. Use Steel on Silchas Ruin. And still use the Brass on Fener.

Erm. Can't remember if you've already answered this but: do I choose whether to use steel or bronze spikes to kill? If so, use a Bronze spike on Silchas.

Also, it was not explicitly stated in my role PM: can I use only ONE of each type of power? I.e. can I kill two people tonight? O.o

Thanks. (So full of questions, lol...)

Path-Shaper, on 20 October 2010 - 11:09 PM, said:

You didn't ask that specific question and the answer is yes, it is YOUR choice, if you burn the equivalent of Steel (aka Coinshot aka vig), which of the two spikes you use (Bronze or Steel spikes, not to be confused with BURNING Steel). Then, later, when you recruit, you take your 'store' of spikes and each spike can then "differ" into one of several metals, which you also choose.

So yes, you pick which spike (Bronze or Steel) per kill.

To be honest, I don't have an answer as to whether or not you can use the same metal (aka Steel to kill) more than once in a single night, so I'll have to run it by alt to see what the ruling is.

Liosan, on 20 October 2010 - 11:16 PM, said:

Alright, so to confirm then, tonight's Steel Substitute kill shall be with a Bronze spike.

And I shall await the answer to my other question...

Thanks PS.

[quote name='Path-Shaper' timestamp='1287616650']
You got it, noted on all accounts.[/quote
Also, we have a question... can the Steel Inquisition use the same metal more than once per night? The role PM says "any combination" which, to me, indicates he can kill several people a night if he wishes. I do know he can't recruit the same night he uses metals.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 20 October 2010 - 11:18 PM

[Path-Shaper]

Outstanding questions for alt:

How does the Tin ability work against Mistborn and SI, when used by a Tineye, a Mistborn, or a SI (they'd never realistically use it because they don't care what faction anyone is on)?

Can the Steel Inquisition use the same metal more than once per night (aka can he kill multiple times per night)?

What happens when Bronze is used on a Kandra or someone that didn't burn metal? Does the user get a "No Metal Burned" result or a generic "Fail" result (as if guarded)?

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 20 October 2010 - 11:21 PM

[HoosierDaddy]

Just a thought, but in this game it might behoove the SI to try and maintain faction balance to avoid giving one a major edge, so depending upon the ruling, I can see why it'd be useful mid and endgame.

[Path-Shaper]

Ah, and now Vengey is at 2 votes... silly Vengey.

edit: Looks like Breadmaster evened it back up... we may be looking at HMQB (House V) or Vengey (House D) as our first victims of the game.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 20 October 2010 - 11:33 PM

[Path-Shaper]

Also Emurlahn (house V) is being voted by Shadow (House V) and Fener (House E).
Mockra (House D) is being voted by Liosan (SI) and Serc (House D).

You can't really predict who you're hitting early game, that's for sure, but House D could be in a real mess if Shin kills off his own mate tonight, as stated. House E could lose its Coinshot early, too, if Silencer takes out The Dude.