[Tulas Shorn]

Kalse, on 07 October 2010 - 09:41 AM, said:

Argh, dammit - no, my breakfast was not more than twelve hours long, crap came up and I had to depart the internet realm for a day.

Now it's getting late and I have university tomorrow.

I'm still in favour of a lynch, plain and simple, and Barghast is going to give us info whether he gets NK'd or not. I'd rather let him dangle a bit and see if he comes up with anything else, or simply gets NK'd.

To that effect (and because I won't be on for day's end), I will:

Vote Meanas

In the interests of getting a lynch and removing someone who has received plenty of heat (distracting us from other players), while also playing a damn xeno. At least we should have more than one mis-lynch even if he's Eldar and playing to get lynched. (Remember, the Eldar have two VC's, which means they have to choose which to get. They don't want to get one guy lynched and the rest NK'd, because then they still lose - they want to get them all lynched or avoid all detection. Pretty hard to do both without some serious off-thread comms and epic luck).

I can also understand Barghast's reveal - if you hit someone who is hard to take down, you hit them again, right? Now, that's assuming he got attacked, rather than just recruitment/FM stuff, but hey, if he's alive tomorrow we can lynch him, right?

He also claims to have a power that can protect the town leader from recruitment, and to know said leader. If this is the case, that's great, even if it is a bit of a wild card...the town leader isn't exactly crucial to our victory, though he may have a decent role, of course.

Anyway, I have to get some sleep. Will be back tomorrow, hopefully with more time to carry out a bit of train analysis like I promised.

So you think...wait....you have...erm.?.....what?

You dont think meanas is potentially Elder with his strange day one play?
You would rather risk it and give the killers other targets like...barghast...the person you think might be telling the truth?
wooosh...that logic just went right over my head.

[Tulas Shorn]

Path-Shaper, on 07 October 2010 - 09:53 AM, said:

From the Records of Ordo Malleus, report number 62347921-THY67900
Subject Olar Ethil has been silent for an extended period of time, currently more than 36 hours. I found him sneaking around the perimeter, looking for a way out, rather than actively searching to eliminate all xenos. Such an attitude is inexcusable in a loyal subject of the Emperor, per edict A3 of the Imperial Guard Field Manual.

I terminated Olar Ethil according to the standard protocol for impromptu assassinations. Servitors sent out to research the body established he was not a xeno, but rather a dispirited member of the relief force. There is no excuse for tardiness, insubordination or lapses in morale and eagerness to serve His Imperial Majesty, and the only proper penalty is death by execution, so to inspire others to do better.

Olar Ethil is dead. He was human.

DOH....

[Path-Shaper]

5 hours left.

16 people are still alive (Alkend, Ampelas, Barghast, D'riss , Eloth, Galayn Lord, Korvalain, Karatallid, LIosan, Meanas, Osseric, Olar Ethil, Rashan, Sukul Ankhadu, Tellan, Tulas Shorn)

takes 9 votes to lynch, 0r 8 to go to night


4 votes for Meanas (D'riss, Liosan, Karatallid, Kalse)
1 vote for Galayn Lord (Osseric)
3 votes for Barghast (Meanas, Alkend, Ampelas)

[D'riss]

Very odd that such a prolific poster would drop off the grid like that, but it was a long time since his last post so theres no excuses.

[Tulas Shorn]

5 hours left and i really dont like the 2 major lynch candidates.
Both are going to be big night time targets...

It would be less feasible to lynch either one at this point in my humble opinion..

[D'riss]

Path-Shaper, on 04 October 2010 - 02:31 PM, said:

From the Records of Ordo Malleus, report number 62347921-THY67897
Confusion about the chain of command has ensued throughout the ranks of the relief force. Several elements of the marine squads were out of hand. Order has been restored through the summary execution of a marine according to the standard protocol of the Imperial Guard, order and discipline has been maintained. I sent in a squad of the Imperial Guard to retrieve the body. Tissue samples have been analysed by trusted Apothecaries of the garrisson. The Marine has been confirmed to be standard Raven Guard gene stock.

Silanah is dead. He was a Space Marine


For the Emperor!

Path-Shaper, on 07 October 2010 - 09:53 AM, said:

From the Records of Ordo Malleus, report number 62347921-THY67900
Subject Olar Ethil has been silent for an extended period of time, currently more than 36 hours. I found him sneaking around the perimeter, looking for a way out, rather than actively searching to eliminate all xenos. Such an attitude is inexcusable in a loyal subject of the Emperor, per edict A3 of the Imperial Guard Field Manual.

I terminated Olar Ethil according to the standard protocol for impromptu assassinations. Servitors sent out to research the body established he was not a xeno, but rather a dispirited member of the relief force. There is no excuse for tardiness, insubordination or lapses in morale and eagerness to serve His Imperial Majesty, and the only proper penalty is death by execution, so to inspire others to do better.

Olar Ethil is dead. He was human.

There is some onfo in a cf there then at least. So certain members of the town are NOT space marines.

[D'riss]

thats got me kinda worried actually as that is different to how the winning conditions portrayed us so I am hoping that is just a discrepancy in the wording of the specific mod.

[Tulas Shorn]

D, on 07 October 2010 - 10:12 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 04 October 2010 - 02:31 PM, said:

From the Records of Ordo Malleus, report number 62347921-THY67897
Confusion about the chain of command has ensued throughout the ranks of the relief force. Several elements of the marine squads were out of hand. Order has been restored through the summary execution of a marine according to the standard protocol of the Imperial Guard, order and discipline has been maintained. I sent in a squad of the Imperial Guard to retrieve the body. Tissue samples have been analysed by trusted Apothecaries of the garrisson. The Marine has been confirmed to be standard Raven Guard gene stock.

Silanah is dead. He was a Space Marine


For the Emperor!

Path-Shaper, on 07 October 2010 - 09:53 AM, said:

From the Records of Ordo Malleus, report number 62347921-THY67900
Subject Olar Ethil has been silent for an extended period of time, currently more than 36 hours. I found him sneaking around the perimeter, looking for a way out, rather than actively searching to eliminate all xenos. Such an attitude is inexcusable in a loyal subject of the Emperor, per edict A3 of the Imperial Guard Field Manual.

I terminated Olar Ethil according to the standard protocol for impromptu assassinations. Servitors sent out to research the body established he was not a xeno, but rather a dispirited member of the relief force. There is no excuse for tardiness, insubordination or lapses in morale and eagerness to serve His Imperial Majesty, and the only proper penalty is death by execution, so to inspire others to do better.

Olar Ethil is dead. He was human.

There is some onfo in a cf there then at least. So certain members of the town are NOT space marines.

So you were under the impression all of town where space marines?
As in they will all CF Space Marine?

[Tulas Shorn]

D, on 07 October 2010 - 10:17 AM, said:

thats got me kinda worried actually as that is different to how the winning conditions portrayed us so I am hoping that is just a discrepancy in the wording of the specific mod.

Hopefully PS can clarify

[Kalse]

Tulas Shorn, on 07 October 2010 - 09:55 AM, said:

Kalse, on 07 October 2010 - 09:41 AM, said:

Argh, dammit - no, my breakfast was not more than twelve hours long, crap came up and I had to depart the internet realm for a day.

Now it's getting late and I have university tomorrow.

I'm still in favour of a lynch, plain and simple, and Barghast is going to give us info whether he gets NK'd or not. I'd rather let him dangle a bit and see if he comes up with anything else, or simply gets NK'd.

To that effect (and because I won't be on for day's end), I will:

Vote Meanas

In the interests of getting a lynch and removing someone who has received plenty of heat (distracting us from other players), while also playing a damn xeno. At least we should have more than one mis-lynch even if he's Eldar and playing to get lynched. (Remember, the Eldar have two VC's, which means they have to choose which to get. They don't want to get one guy lynched and the rest NK'd, because then they still lose - they want to get them all lynched or avoid all detection. Pretty hard to do both without some serious off-thread comms and epic luck).

I can also understand Barghast's reveal - if you hit someone who is hard to take down, you hit them again, right? Now, that's assuming he got attacked, rather than just recruitment/FM stuff, but hey, if he's alive tomorrow we can lynch him, right?

He also claims to have a power that can protect the town leader from recruitment, and to know said leader. If this is the case, that's great, even if it is a bit of a wild card...the town leader isn't exactly crucial to our victory, though he may have a decent role, of course.

Anyway, I have to get some sleep. Will be back tomorrow, hopefully with more time to carry out a bit of train analysis like I promised.

So you think...wait....you have...erm.?.....what?

You dont think meanas is potentially Elder with his strange day one play?
You would rather risk it and give the killers other targets like...barghast...the person you think might be telling the truth?
wooosh...that logic just went right over my head.

*grumble* Keeping me up another 20 minutes dammit */grumble*

I think it's possible Meanas is Eldar. I don't think we can afford to let the "OMGSH HE COULD BE DAH JESTAR LULULULU" mentality prevent us from lynching someone who is both scummy and a clear distraction.

I would rather 'risk' him being an Eldar (note I explain this in my post regarding us being able to lynch wrong at least once) than not get a lynch.

I would rather take that chance, than lynch Barghast, who I think may be telling the truth THAT HE CAN PROTECT OUR LEADER FROM CULT RECRUITMENTS and therefore give him a chance to get that particular night action in. Or would you rather lynch the guy who could save us one inno recruitment?

So the logic is fairly simple...

Meanas: Could be Eldar, is a distraction, potential xeno either way.
Barghast: Could be human protecting our leader from recruitment. Could be lying. Claims was hit with NA's last night. Therefore is likely to be hit tonight whether he is telling the truth or not.

So

Meanas is a better lynch than Barghast.

Based on the info we have at the moment. And really, there are not many other options, and the timer *is* beginning to run low. I would rather lynch an Eldar now, on day two, and get some train info, than have a second day with no lynch, or risk lynching someone who is more likely to be human than Meanas is.


Get it?

Quote

5 hours left and i really dont like the 2 major lynch candidates.
Both are going to be big night time targets...

It would be less feasible to lynch either one at this point in my humble opinion..

What do you mean by 'less feasible'? O.o

[Kalse]

The only potential downside I see to Barghast's story, btw, is that he knows who the human leader is, and is actually scum, and wants to take the human leader out. But hey, we can play "what if" all night and we'll never get anywhere with it...

[Kalse]

NOW I'm going to go and get some sleep, if you don't mind...

[D'riss]

Tulas Shorn, on 07 October 2010 - 10:18 AM, said:

D, on 07 October 2010 - 10:12 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 04 October 2010 - 02:31 PM, said:

From the Records of Ordo Malleus, report number 62347921-THY67897
Confusion about the chain of command has ensued throughout the ranks of the relief force. Several elements of the marine squads were out of hand. Order has been restored through the summary execution of a marine according to the standard protocol of the Imperial Guard, order and discipline has been maintained. I sent in a squad of the Imperial Guard to retrieve the body. Tissue samples have been analysed by trusted Apothecaries of the garrisson. The Marine has been confirmed to be standard Raven Guard gene stock.

Silanah is dead. He was a Space Marine


For the Emperor!

Path-Shaper, on 07 October 2010 - 09:53 AM, said:

From the Records of Ordo Malleus, report number 62347921-THY67900
Subject Olar Ethil has been silent for an extended period of time, currently more than 36 hours. I found him sneaking around the perimeter, looking for a way out, rather than actively searching to eliminate all xenos. Such an attitude is inexcusable in a loyal subject of the Emperor, per edict A3 of the Imperial Guard Field Manual.

I terminated Olar Ethil according to the standard protocol for impromptu assassinations. Servitors sent out to research the body established he was not a xeno, but rather a dispirited member of the relief force. There is no excuse for tardiness, insubordination or lapses in morale and eagerness to serve His Imperial Majesty, and the only proper penalty is death by execution, so to inspire others to do better.

Olar Ethil is dead. He was human.

There is some onfo in a cf there then at least. So certain members of the town are NOT space marines.

So you were under the impression all of town where space marines?
As in they will all CF Space Marine?

I certainly was, our winning conditions state we are all soldiers so my automatic assumption was for space marine cf. Unless some xeno had an ability they used to reduce the efficiacy of the cf. There were hints that cf's could be altered. That interference in communication might be affecting our cf or the town is made up of more than just soldiers.

[Tulas Shorn]

Kalse, on 07 October 2010 - 10:22 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 07 October 2010 - 09:55 AM, said:

Kalse, on 07 October 2010 - 09:41 AM, said:

Argh, dammit - no, my breakfast was not more than twelve hours long, crap came up and I had to depart the internet realm for a day.

Now it's getting late and I have university tomorrow.

I'm still in favour of a lynch, plain and simple, and Barghast is going to give us info whether he gets NK'd or not. I'd rather let him dangle a bit and see if he comes up with anything else, or simply gets NK'd.

To that effect (and because I won't be on for day's end), I will:

Vote Meanas

In the interests of getting a lynch and removing someone who has received plenty of heat (distracting us from other players), while also playing a damn xeno. At least we should have more than one mis-lynch even if he's Eldar and playing to get lynched. (Remember, the Eldar have two VC's, which means they have to choose which to get. They don't want to get one guy lynched and the rest NK'd, because then they still lose - they want to get them all lynched or avoid all detection. Pretty hard to do both without some serious off-thread comms and epic luck).

I can also understand Barghast's reveal - if you hit someone who is hard to take down, you hit them again, right? Now, that's assuming he got attacked, rather than just recruitment/FM stuff, but hey, if he's alive tomorrow we can lynch him, right?

He also claims to have a power that can protect the town leader from recruitment, and to know said leader. If this is the case, that's great, even if it is a bit of a wild card...the town leader isn't exactly crucial to our victory, though he may have a decent role, of course.

Anyway, I have to get some sleep. Will be back tomorrow, hopefully with more time to carry out a bit of train analysis like I promised.

So you think...wait....you have...erm.?.....what?

You dont think meanas is potentially Elder with his strange day one play?
You would rather risk it and give the killers other targets like...barghast...the person you think might be telling the truth?
wooosh...that logic just went right over my head.

*grumble* Keeping me up another 20 minutes dammit */grumble*

I think it's possible Meanas is Eldar. I don't think we can afford to let the "OMGSH HE COULD BE DAH JESTAR LULULULU" mentality prevent us from lynching someone who is both scummy and a clear distraction.

I would rather 'risk' him being an Eldar (note I explain this in my post regarding us being able to lynch wrong at least once) than not get a lynch.

I would rather take that chance, than lynch Barghast, who I think may be telling the truth THAT HE CAN PROTECT OUR LEADER FROM CULT RECRUITMENTS and therefore give him a chance to get that particular night action in. Or would you rather lynch the guy who could save us one inno recruitment?

So the logic is fairly simple...

Meanas: Could be Eldar, is a distraction, potential xeno either way.
Barghast: Could be human protecting our leader from recruitment. Could be lying. Claims was hit with NA's last night. Therefore is likely to be hit tonight whether he is telling the truth or not.

So

Meanas is a better lynch than Barghast.

Based on the info we have at the moment. And really, there are not many other options, and the timer *is* beginning to run low. I would rather lynch an Eldar now, on day two, and get some train info, than have a second day with no lynch, or risk lynching someone who is more likely to be human than Meanas is.


Get it?

Quote

5 hours left and i really dont like the 2 major lynch candidates.
Both are going to be big night time targets...

It would be less feasible to lynch either one at this point in my humble opinion..

What do you mean by 'less feasible'? O.o

Less feasible as in they are clear night action "loading stones". Meanas was one last night and look how many deaths there where!
You lynch him...he could be a Elder you say so yourself, so your actually helping the Elder.
And then at the same time you take away a target for Necro's or whoever else kills at night.
So who are those killers going to go for next?...some random person possibly inno?

I think he is xeno....but i think the other Xeno's or vigs will try and take him out tonight doing our job for us in the process.
You are pushing a lynch on someone most people think is Elder.

Also, your ignoring the whole GL train derailment is not really helping me believe your motives. Your logic is not all that solid to me.
I mean we have ONE guy we think is more likely elder out fucking 16 peeps, and thats the guy you want to lynch?....WTF?
and dont come with that "he just wants to look like a jester" bullshit as its really bad play trying to attract night kills by doing so.

[D'riss]

Kalse, on 07 October 2010 - 10:24 AM, said:

The only potential downside I see to Barghast's story, btw, is that he knows who the human leader is, and is actually scum, and wants to take the human leader out. But hey, we can play "what if" all night and we'll never get anywhere with it...

that is always an issue in a cult game though so ment should have something in the mechanics to balance it.

[Tulas Shorn]

D, on 07 October 2010 - 10:28 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 07 October 2010 - 10:18 AM, said:

D, on 07 October 2010 - 10:12 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 04 October 2010 - 02:31 PM, said:

From the Records of Ordo Malleus, report number 62347921-THY67897
Confusion about the chain of command has ensued throughout the ranks of the relief force. Several elements of the marine squads were out of hand. Order has been restored through the summary execution of a marine according to the standard protocol of the Imperial Guard, order and discipline has been maintained. I sent in a squad of the Imperial Guard to retrieve the body. Tissue samples have been analysed by trusted Apothecaries of the garrisson. The Marine has been confirmed to be standard Raven Guard gene stock.

Silanah is dead. He was a Space Marine


For the Emperor!

Path-Shaper, on 07 October 2010 - 09:53 AM, said:

From the Records of Ordo Malleus, report number 62347921-THY67900
Subject Olar Ethil has been silent for an extended period of time, currently more than 36 hours. I found him sneaking around the perimeter, looking for a way out, rather than actively searching to eliminate all xenos. Such an attitude is inexcusable in a loyal subject of the Emperor, per edict A3 of the Imperial Guard Field Manual.

I terminated Olar Ethil according to the standard protocol for impromptu assassinations. Servitors sent out to research the body established he was not a xeno, but rather a dispirited member of the relief force. There is no excuse for tardiness, insubordination or lapses in morale and eagerness to serve His Imperial Majesty, and the only proper penalty is death by execution, so to inspire others to do better.

Olar Ethil is dead. He was human.

There is some onfo in a cf there then at least. So certain members of the town are NOT space marines.

So you were under the impression all of town where space marines?
As in they will all CF Space Marine?

I certainly was, our winning conditions state we are all soldiers so my automatic assumption was for space marine cf. Unless some xeno had an ability they used to reduce the efficiacy of the cf. There were hints that cf's could be altered. That interference in communication might be affecting our cf or the town is made up of more than just soldiers.

Well i was thinking that the two CF's are going to either come up Human or Xeno....and if there is a special circumstance then we get more....thats why space marine came in on day one.
But yea...maybe the interference is why we only get human.
There are Also Gaurdsmen or something like that arent there?...not only space marines...bah,,. i have no knowledge of this stuff.

[Tulas Shorn]

D, on 07 October 2010 - 10:31 AM, said:

Kalse, on 07 October 2010 - 10:24 AM, said:

The only potential downside I see to Barghast's story, btw, is that he knows who the human leader is, and is actually scum, and wants to take the human leader out. But hey, we can play "what if" all night and we'll never get anywhere with it...

that is always an issue in a cult game though so ment should have something in the mechanics to balance it.

so then....why doesnt he like....just tell everyone. instead of this song and dance?

[Path-Shaper]

Tulas Shorn, on 07 October 2010 - 10:20 AM, said:

D, on 07 October 2010 - 10:17 AM, said:

thats got me kinda worried actually as that is different to how the winning conditions portrayed us so I am hoping that is just a discrepancy in the wording of the specific mod.

Hopefully PS can clarify

He can. He will. He actually does it, too.

In essence: both CFs are correct.
All humans are not xenos.
Only xenos have victory conditions that are different from the victory conditions of town.

[Path-Shaper]

Oh, and I wrote both scenes and CFs, so this isn't inconsistency between 2 mods.

- T.

[Tulas Shorn]

Path-Shaper, on 07 October 2010 - 10:45 AM, said:

Oh, and I wrote both scenes and CFs, so this isn't inconsistency between 2 mods.

- T.

So there is a reason why one came out as Space marine and not human