[Meanas]

Or I'm making things up just like he is.
Besides, I revealed nothing, I just said that after the previous day I'm fairly certain I was targeted. But I don't know it for a fact. That's what I said, and please don't play with words to make it sound different for your own purposes. It seems to me like you're already biased against me. What do you want me to say, 'Please don't lynch me!"? That'd be just silly. There are no facts here yet, only interpretations, and yours will just be one that fits the idea you've already got.
Both me and Barghast can be townies and this will be really playing into xenos hands, tentacles, claws and whatnot. I am fairly certain you are (both a townie and playing into xenos various appendages).
You dismiss my defense - or worse, completely invert it - fairly easily as well.

[Tulas Shorn]

Wow.... very very interesting catch up.

With the Alkend vs Barghy pissing contest....well....what can i say?
Now i dont know what some of you are reading but barghy did make plausible points. His logic is pretty sound and i actually do see his side of the argument as somewhat valid.
Just because someone points out that the inno's and necro's have similar goals by default and they could be seen as unwilling allies doesnt mean he has to all of the sudden be scum.
It means he is pointing out facts about the game that may or may not help us in the future. I dont see why scum would come out and say that, its just looking for trouble.
It might not sound very nice buts it is the bloody facts.

What gets me is how much Alkend reacts to it. And how Alkend has reacted to the GL lynch train.
He reminds me of scum who is looking for any old reason to get someone lynched.
Usually an inno tries to see both sides of an argument before condemning someone, whereas scum purposely ignore one side of an argument and hammer their own agenda mercilessly into everyones head.
Alkend has some kind of major hard on for GL as well... that coupled with his "failure" to even attempt to see Barghasts logic is just weird for me.
Almost everyone else has at least stated that his logic is sound.
Now all of this can also just be attributed to Alkend being a stubborn clunge. Maybe thats the case... i dont know.
But i find alkend to be a bit ....off with his arguments. Narrow minded perhaps?


for me with regards to bargy It all falls apart when he reveals about getting N/A's against him.....why do that?
He wasnt under pressure...
I am inclined to believe Bargy's reveal though.
It might actually explain why he said he had two N/A's.....if he thinks he is a goner tonight then he was most likely going to reveal regardless.

Anyways... even if he is scum, another scum team will take him out so i dont see him lasting through the night ,i dont think there is any reason to vote him because of his reveal.
Be it true or a lie.

[Tulas Shorn]

 Meanas, on 07 October 2010 - 08:23 AM, said:

Or I'm making things up just like he is.
Besides, I revealed nothing, I just said that after the previous day I'm fairly certain I was targeted. But I don't know it for a fact. That's what I said, and please don't play with words to make it sound different for your own purposes. It seems to me like you're already biased against me. What do you want me to say, 'Please don't lynch me!"? That'd be just silly. There are no facts here yet, only interpretations, and yours will just be one that fits the idea you've already got.
Both me and Barghast can be townies and this will be really playing into xenos hands, tentacles, claws and whatnot. I am fairly certain you are (both a townie and playing into xenos various appendages).
You dismiss my defense - or worse, completely invert it - fairly easily as well.

Im also not too sure what you are on about?

You say you are fairly certain you were targetted....why is this?
And what bearing does that have on the validity of barghasts reveal?
You call him a liar but i dont see any evidence you are putting forward that contradicts his reveal?
So how do you came to that conclusion?

[Ampelas]

@Bargast - I am eldar, which is why I'm voting for the person who is least likely to be eldar? You realise you've accused about half the thread of being eldar at this point.

And for the second day in a row Tulas Shorn and D'riss symp Barghast. D'riss much more subtely by attacking Meanas.

[Meanas]

 Tulas Shorn, on 07 October 2010 - 08:35 AM, said:

You say you are fairly certain you were targetted....why is this?

Just the amount of talk of me being Eldar. Personally I do feel a bit offended by the suggestion I'm one of the slippery space elves, but it's all in the game, yo?

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And what bearing does that have on the validity of barghasts reveal?

Just marking that it's about as much of a reveal as anything else being said so far. Flapping tongues and not much else.

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You call him a liar but i dont see any evidence you are putting forward that contradicts his reveal?

I don't see any evidence to support it either.

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So how do you came to that conclusion?

To which one, exactly?

[Karatallid]

Ok after reading up the last page or so im a bit indecisive right now of who i want to lynch off.

Meanas is quite obviously someone with a good role trying not to get lynched by pretending to be a jester. im not entirely sure that his role is xeno but it seems pretty likely.

Galayn Lord had the train sort of derailed off him yesterday, but to be honest at the moment id rather go for Meanas or possibly Bargahst as they strike me as more likely xeno targets.

Bargh im not sure, i had some misgivings about how he seemed to swing the lynch yesterday but i didnt really see a massive problem with his necron analysis as it doesnt seem to far off. His reveals though definiely strike me as scum clutching at straws trying to stall a lynch for as long as possible, there just wasnt really any need for them at the time. Im a bit worried about lynching him in case he's either telling the truth or a jester though.

So right now im going to

Vote Meanas

because he is the one who i am most sure is scum of some kind and probably not eldar.

[D'riss]

 Ampelas, on 07 October 2010 - 08:45 AM, said:

@Bargast - I am eldar, which is why I'm voting for the person who is least likely to be eldar? You realise you've accused about half the thread of being eldar at this point.

And for the second day in a row Tulas Shorn and D'riss symp Barghast. D'riss much more subtely by attacking Meanas.

Where did i symp barghast on day 1?

[Tapper]

6 hours, 55 minutes left.

17 people are still alive (Alkend, Ampelas, Barghast, D'riss , Eloth, Galayn Lord, Korvalain, Kalse, Karatallid, LIosan, Meanas, Osseric, Olar Ethil, Rashan, Sukul Ankhadu, Tellan, Tulas Shorn)

takes 9 votes to lynch, 0r 9 to go to night


3 votes for Meanas (D'riss, Liosan, Karatallid)
1 vote for Galayn Lord (Osseric)
3 votes for Barghast (Meanas, Alkend, Ampelas)

This post has been edited by Tapper: 07 October 2010 - 09:04 AM

[Tulas Shorn]

 Ampelas, on 07 October 2010 - 08:45 AM, said:

@Bargast - I am eldar, which is why I'm voting for the person who is least likely to be eldar? You realise you've accused about half the thread of being eldar at this point.

And for the second day in a row Tulas Shorn and D'riss symp Barghast. D'riss much more subtely by attacking Meanas.

Oh boo fucking hoo ampelas.
Are we going to go back to those old ways again?

OOPS... i didnt mean to make it so damned obvious to everyone we are paired killers, wow i think i is mades a big boo boo.....pffffft

I am "symping for a second day" now because i am simply sticking with what i said yesterday on the subject.
If i worked with your own logic then i can say you are aslo symping Alkend in return!!....except you are doing it more subtly...the way a real symp does his work...
ahem...

I call it like a see it ampelas.
If you cant see the simple logic in what im saying then so be it.
I think Barghast is getting the raw end of the deal for stating facts that can be seen as condemning for certain people.... i do think his reveal is a fuck up, be it a lie or not. And yes he could be scum too.
But Im not gonna sit here and twiddle my thumbs while people talk a lot of horse shit and not at least try and attempt at looking at the whole picture.

Besides....Barghast has fucking revealed.
Do you think that it makes a difference if he is telling the truth or not?....he's gonna get fucked by someone tonight.
so whats the point of continuing on this barghast wich hunt then anyways? There is a very good reason for keeping him around, i would rather not say it right now. But it should be fairly obvious.
And what if he is telling the truth?...again you only want to see the one side of the argument.
Fucking people are either narrow minded or scum with your own agenda...jeeees

I say we lynch GL....regardless of the case being shite, they all are...but the fact remains there was yesterday and remains today, some really fucking obvious pushing away from the "lynch GL" train of thought.



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This post has been edited by Tulas Shorn: 07 October 2010 - 09:09 AM

[D'riss]

@tulas - what about meanas? He really comes across as xeno. hell if i was to guess the xenos right now in order of most likely i would say meanas, korv, amp, GL, alkend and olar.

[Tulas Shorn]

 Meanas, on 07 October 2010 - 08:48 AM, said:

 Tulas Shorn, on 07 October 2010 - 08:35 AM, said:

You say you are fairly certain you were targetted....why is this?

Just the amount of talk of me being Eldar. Personally I do feel a bit offended by the suggestion I'm one of the slippery space elves, but it's all in the game, yo?

Ok...fair enough. But that still has nothing to do with barghasts reveal, you made it sound like its a reason for us not to believe barghast.

 Meanas, on 07 October 2010 - 08:48 AM, said:

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And what bearing does that have on the validity of barghasts reveal?

Just marking that it's about as much of a reveal as anything else being said so far. Flapping tongues and not much else.

Well thats to be said about most reveals that cant be proven right?
Doesnt mean its not true, you willing to gamble?

 Meanas, on 07 October 2010 - 08:48 AM, said:

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You call him a liar but i dont see any evidence you are putting forward that contradicts his reveal?

I don't see any evidence to support it either.

Erm...i dont see any evidence to support you being Town, doesnt mean you are lying scum tho does it?

 Meanas, on 07 October 2010 - 08:48 AM, said:

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So how do you came to that conclusion?

To which one, exactly?

The conclusion that Barghast is lying....like you said.
You seem to have a very strong opinion that he is lying, yet you have nothing to support this theory.
I myself am forced to take it with a pinch of salt.
But im not going to come out and call him a liar based purely on hot air blowing out of my asshole now am i?

[Tulas Shorn]

 D, on 07 October 2010 - 09:17 AM, said:

@tulas - what about meanas? He really comes across as xeno. hell if i was to guess the xenos right now in order of most likely i would say meanas, korv, amp, GL, alkend and olar.

Im not sure about him yet.
He comes across as Xeno to me, since the xeno's are all the ones with their own agenda's
And people with their own agendas cant afford to look at everything and see all the sides of an argument if it doesnt suit there own agenda.
And he seems to be blatantly ignoring certain things. Thats probably why people see him as trying to get lynched and by default a Eldar i suppose.

[D'riss]

 Meanas, on 07 October 2010 - 07:47 AM, said:

I'm fairly certain someone did target me but I've been told nothing about it. It must be part of the 'interference with communications' that probably most players have in play, with the exception of probably Necrons and maaaaybe Eldar.

 Meanas, on 07 October 2010 - 08:23 AM, said:

Besides, I revealed nothing, I just said that after the previous day I'm fairly certain I was targeted.

To be fair meanas when someone says they are fairly certian they were targetted they must have a reason beyond just suspecting that they are a viable target (thats just ego )

[Tulas Shorn]

 Karatallid, on 07 October 2010 - 08:53 AM, said:

Ok after reading up the last page or so im a bit indecisive right now of who i want to lynch off.

Meanas is quite obviously someone with a good role trying not to get lynched by pretending to be a jester. im not entirely sure that his role is xeno but it seems pretty likely.

Galayn Lord had the train sort of derailed off him yesterday, but to be honest at the moment id rather go for Meanas or possibly Bargahst as they strike me as more likely xeno targets.

Bargh im not sure, i had some misgivings about how he seemed to swing the lynch yesterday but i didnt really see a massive problem with his necron analysis as it doesnt seem to far off. His reveals though definiely strike me as scum clutching at straws trying to stall a lynch for as long as possible, there just wasnt really any need for them at the time. Im a bit worried about lynching him in case he's either telling the truth or a jester though.

So right now im going to

Vote Meanas

because he is the one who i am most sure is scum of some kind and probably not eldar.

I dunno... i would rather not chance it on him just yet.
I dont buy the whole "trying to look like a jester" thing as its just a stupid play.
He could actually just be an obvious jester... you know its not easy to play, it ive had the role before and i should know (and I won...ahem ).
Yes he has been relatively obvious.
But If he was doing it on purpose then he would have been just screaming for a NK from somebody.
A normal player wont want be targetted with nk's because people think he is a jester.
Im inclined to leave him around as i think he is Xeno at best and is going to be a decent target for attracting NK's.

Hell...maybe he did get targeted last night and thats why there was no kills...I would bet that elders have a few BP's among themselves.
Actually that makes allot more sense than anything else with regards to meanas.


edit - bad punctuation...sentace made no sense

This post has been edited by Tulas Shorn: 07 October 2010 - 09:34 AM

[Tulas Shorn]

 D, on 07 October 2010 - 09:25 AM, said:

 Meanas, on 07 October 2010 - 07:47 AM, said:

I'm fairly certain someone did target me but I've been told nothing about it. It must be part of the 'interference with communications' that probably most players have in play, with the exception of probably Necrons and maaaaybe Eldar.

 Meanas, on 07 October 2010 - 08:23 AM, said:

Besides, I revealed nothing, I just said that after the previous day I'm fairly certain I was targeted.

To be fair meanas when someone says they are fairly certian they were targetted they must have a reason beyond just suspecting that they are a viable target (thats just ego )

exactly... something happened to him. He just not spilling the beans.
Probably a guard or even more likely he was targeted with the NK....he says himself everyone thought he was a Eldar...makes sense.

[Meanas]

 Tulas Shorn, on 07 October 2010 - 09:18 AM, said:

Ok...fair enough. But that still has nothing to do with barghasts reveal, you made it sound like its a reason for us not to believe barghast.

Just making sure to put it in perspective. Falasifying isn't that hard.

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Well thats to be said about most reveals that cant be proven right?
Doesnt mean its not true, you willing to gamble?

Are you willing to gamble on it being true?

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Erm...i dont see any evidence to support you being Town, doesnt mean you are lying scum tho does it?

It would seem it does for quite a few people already.

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The conclusion that Barghast is lying....like you said.
You seem to have a very strong opinion that he is lying, yet you have nothing to support this theory.
I myself am forced to take it with a pinch of salt.
But im not going to come out and call him a liar based purely on hot air blowing out of my asshole now am i?

It just seems to me that nobody would make such a blatantly bad mistake by posting this if it was truthful, without an agenda behind it. Maybe a new player, but I really, really doubt it's his first game. So there.

 Tulas Shorn, on 07 October 2010 - 09:22 AM, said:

Im not sure about him yet.
He comes across as Xeno to me, since the xeno's are all the ones with their own agenda's
And people with their own agendas cant afford to look at everything and see all the sides of an argument if it doesnt suit there own agenda.
And he seems to be blatantly ignoring certain things. Thats probably why people see him as trying to get lynched and by default a Eldar i suppose.

By attempting to defend myself I've got an agenda?
And blatantly ignoring what, exactly?

 D, on 07 October 2010 - 09:25 AM, said:

To be fair meanas when someone says they are fairly certian they were targetted they must have a reason beyond just suspecting that they are a viable target (thats just ego )

As far as I can tell I'm not the only one that was surprised to see me alive Day 2. With all the cry of 'me begging to be lynched' I just have to assume someone of the other 16 people in the game took a shot at me. It's just estimation.

[Kalse]

Argh, dammit - no, my breakfast was not more than twelve hours long, crap came up and I had to depart the internet realm for a day.

Now it's getting late and I have university tomorrow.

I'm still in favour of a lynch, plain and simple, and Barghast is going to give us info whether he gets NK'd or not. I'd rather let him dangle a bit and see if he comes up with anything else, or simply gets NK'd.

To that effect (and because I won't be on for day's end), I will:

Vote Meanas

In the interests of getting a lynch and removing someone who has received plenty of heat (distracting us from other players), while also playing a damn xeno. At least we should have more than one mis-lynch even if he's Eldar and playing to get lynched. (Remember, the Eldar have two VC's, which means they have to choose which to get. They don't want to get one guy lynched and the rest NK'd, because then they still lose - they want to get them all lynched or avoid all detection. Pretty hard to do both without some serious off-thread comms and epic luck).

I can also understand Barghast's reveal - if you hit someone who is hard to take down, you hit them again, right? Now, that's assuming he got attacked, rather than just recruitment/FM stuff, but hey, if he's alive tomorrow we can lynch him, right?

He also claims to have a power that can protect the town leader from recruitment, and to know said leader. If this is the case, that's great, even if it is a bit of a wild card...the town leader isn't exactly crucial to our victory, though he may have a decent role, of course.

Anyway, I have to get some sleep. Will be back tomorrow, hopefully with more time to carry out a bit of train analysis like I promised.

[Kalse]

Oh yes, final thoughts RE faction capabilities informed by minor W40K lore knowledge:

Space Marines are likely to have kill protections - they wear power armour, after all.

Imperial Guard, if we have any, are likely to be the closest things to roleless innos in the game (though they're tough bastards despite their lack of genetic modification and power armour...could have vigs or BPs).

Eldar are likely to have strange powers, mostly of the psychic variety, which could be anything from kills, to protection, to God the Emperor knows what.

Tyranids are likely to all be straight-up cult with possible power conferring onto/developing in their recruits (due to the morphing into suitable species).

Chaos are likely to be similar to Space Marines, or possibly powerless except for the occasional demon-fueled kill.

Necrons I still reckon are going to be protection-heavy, with a side of killing. Possibly lynch BPs or NK BPs, due to their ridiculous ability to reconstruct all the time.

/bed.

[Tulas Shorn]

Too much effort to try and answer those points back, post by post....i mean really..
I think you are Elder Meanas...

I dont see how any player would fake being elder... so there.
For me, our best bet is to keep you around as a loading stone for NK's.
Dont worry im not in the running to lynch you.
So i am not going to get into any sort of back and forth argument with you because i am not going to vote for you today.

chill

[Path-Shaper]

From the Records of Ordo Malleus, report number 62347921-THY67900
Subject Olar Ethil has been silent for an extended period of time, currently more than 36 hours. I found him sneaking around the perimeter, looking for a way out, rather than actively searching to eliminate all xenos. Such an attitude is inexcusable in a loyal subject of the Emperor, per edict A3 of the Imperial Guard Field Manual.

I terminated Olar Ethil according to the standard protocol for impromptu assassinations. Servitors sent out to research the body established he was not a xeno, but rather a dispirited member of the relief force. There is no excuse for tardiness, insubordination or lapses in morale and eagerness to serve His Imperial Majesty, and the only proper penalty is death by execution, so to inspire others to do better.

Olar Ethil is dead. He was human.