[Osseric]

Alkend, on 06 October 2010 - 05:44 PM, said:

Osseric, on 06 October 2010 - 04:39 PM, said:

I need to go back to my train again, but the immediate vote at days open by Alkend is also suspicious... way to try for the easy lynch with as little thought as possible.

Actually, that was an end of the day's vote for me, as I was headed off for ten to twelve hours. I mostly did it for continuity, as I was annoyed that we didn't accomplish a damn thing on Day One, and to chip something in before I left. I really didn't expect such a lack of activity before I returned.

And I still don't see the case on GL, remain very suspicious of you attempting to identify who pulled the trigger on the vig, which 99% of the time is going to be done by an Inno.

So, my vote stands.

It's not a case on GL thats getting my vote. It's the resistance to a lynch day one thats getting my vote. Are you not reading?

Also, those of you that are assuming that the day one kill was an inno vig, in a TMDI 10 game are being insanely closed minded. I wasn't trying to "out" an inno. IMO the person that would kill 2 hours in to day one ISN'T an inno. Regardless of how the scene reads. we have no clue why/who killed him. You folks that insist that it was an inno vig are unnecessarily putting blinders on yourself that will do nothing but hurt us down the line. That type of tunnel vision does nothing but help scum.

[Osseric]

Also, @ Alkend regardless of what point of the day it was for you, in the context of the game it was a begining of the day vote, and it's fishy.

[Alkend]

Osseric, on 06 October 2010 - 06:29 PM, said:

It's not a case on GL thats getting my vote. It's the resistance to a lynch day one thats getting my vote. Are you not reading?

Also, those of you that are assuming that the day one kill was an inno vig, in a TMDI 10 game are being insanely closed minded. I wasn't trying to "out" an inno. IMO the person that would kill 2 hours in to day one ISN'T an inno. Regardless of how the scene reads. we have no clue why/who killed him. You folks that insist that it was an inno vig are unnecessarily putting blinders on yourself that will do nothing but hurt us down the line. That type of tunnel vision does nothing but help scum.

And yeah, I really don't have any argument against that.

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[Eloth]

Alright it seems to me we have plenty of scummy people to choose from, and any one of them could be it.
I feel like we need a lynch today, and I'll be on for a while so I won't throw down a random vote.

[Eloth]

Alright, 9 people on and no one is talking, jeeze.

[Path-Shaper]

t is Day 2, 19 hours and 55 minutes or thereabouts are left

17 people are still alive (Alkend, Ampelas, Barghast, D'riss , Eloth, Galayn Lord, Korvalain, Kalse, Karatallid, LIosan, Meanas, Osseric, Olar Ethil, Rashan, Sukul Ankhadu, Tellan, Tulas Shorn)

takes 9 votes to lynch, 0r 9 to go to night


1 vote for Meanas (D'riss)
1 vote for Galayn Lord (Osseric)
1 vote for Barghast (Meanas)

the remainder of players (14) has not voted.

[Alkend]

Eloth, on 06 October 2010 - 06:46 PM, said:

Alright, 9 people on and no one is talking, jeeze.

So, put something together.

[Korvalain]

no ones saying anything because theres not much evidence that different from yesturday, and yesturday we were attackin osseric and GL for no real reason....

im still not sure who to vote for, so im prepared to w8 for someone to say something incriminating, but everyones doing that so we end up with silence

[Alkend]

Korvalain, on 06 October 2010 - 07:21 PM, said:

im still not sure who to vote for,

Gee, maybe you should vote for Night, then.

[Korvalain]

i did that yesturday and got too much aggro!

ill b patient 4 a bit longer

[Kalse]

Alright, read up now.

Reading back over the last page, it really felt like everyone was talking around each other. Alkend especially felt like he was trying really hard to divert attention from GL, repeatedly mentioning how 'bad' both the cases were yesterday.

I still think people don't get why we wanted a lynch. We wanted a lynch to find out info. Not because one case was 'good' or even necessarily 'decent', but when it came down to the wire we wanted to see who the CF turned out, and to get info from the train. Now, we do get that from the dual aborted trains, but it's a lot harder to analyze, and we lose the CF info.

So all we have now is that a few people decided to hedge the bets and split up the trains. Sure, GL's train was based of jack and shit, but as I tried to point out at the time, that wasn't the concern - Osseric's case was pretty terrible as well.

Now, either peope didn't figure that one out (despite me outright stating it repeatedly), or they disagree with the logic. If you are of either persausion, I would really like to know (or in the latter case, know WHY you think this). Because if you weren't after CF and train info, you should probably have a good reason for it, else the most likely explanation is that you're not town (insofar as we have town in this game).


Coming off this (and I'm going to go and have breakfast before pursuing it), I think we need to make a list of people who: didn't vote; voted away from GL to start; didn't change their votes at days end to get a lynch.

From this, we can get a list of people to watch closely at the very least. And do you know why we have to do this crappy form of scum-hunting? Because some douches decided not to vote to get a lynch! Ugh.

Be back after breakfast...

[Alkend]

Kalse, on 06 October 2010 - 08:41 PM, said:

Alright, read up now.

Reading back over the last page, it really felt like everyone was talking around each other. Alkend especially felt like he was trying really hard to divert attention from GL, repeatedly mentioning how 'bad' both the cases were yesterday.

I still think people don't get why we wanted a lynch. We wanted a lynch to find out info. Not because one case was 'good' or even necessarily 'decent', but when it came down to the wire we wanted to see who the CF turned out, and to get info from the train. Now, we do get that from the dual aborted trains, but it's a lot harder to analyze, and we lose the CF info.

So all we have now is that a few people decided to hedge the bets and split up the trains. Sure, GL's train was based of jack and shit, but as I tried to point out at the time, that wasn't the concern - Osseric's case was pretty terrible as well.

I've sort of boxed myself in mentally as far as voting - with too many of these, I start double-checking myself and thinking "Well, maybe that guy just wants to be lynched because they're Eldar." So I start hypothesizing what I'd do if I were Eldar, and the problem is that both Meanas and GL are following each branch of a potentially good strategy to get themselves lynched.

I don't have any essential problem with a GL lynch, I just don't like playing into the hands of scum. I was wrong about the Osseric "case," but I still think I'm right about GL - there's just nothing there to go on. I'm far more suspicious of Barghast and Rashan than anyone, for trying to act as though one faction of xenos could be any less worth killing than any other, and figure both are possibly Necro. I still don't like Korv and Olar Ethil starting Day One acting the part of Jesters, and then suddenly abandoning that, as though they realized it was a bad idea. And I really don't like the fact that we've gotten almost nothing out of anyone but about the top five posters. Combine that with no deaths last night and no lynch yesterday, and we're in a bit of a bind.

[Barghast]

@Alkend, what is this, Amateur Hour? How many kids did you see sign up for this game? This ain't my first time to the rodeo.

I am continually stunned to read you talking up this horseshit theory that "Talking About It Means You Are It." Don't try to repaint it with a glossy coat of, "Downplaying it." It's the same shitty paint.

As someone who has, quite unmercifully, been put into the lynch machine by that epic fail logic train in the past, I am painfully aware of the dangers of talking too much about one faction. But seriously... get a god damned clue. It would be a blunder and a rookie mistake to say, "Hey guys, let's focus less on the Necrons for a bit," if I were a Necron.

It seriously amazes me how badly people fall for that line of reasoning. Go and find me an example of the last time that line of logic turned out to be right and I'll give you a god damned lollipop.

[Barghast]

In fact, let me clarify for you exactly how stupid a line of reasoning that is.

I was targeted last night by no less than two actions, and quite possibly more. How do I know I was targeted by two actions? I'll let you try and figure that one out, since you're a Mafia genius and all.

[Alkend]

Barghast, on 06 October 2010 - 10:55 PM, said:

In fact, let me clarify for you exactly how stupid a line of reasoning that is.

I was targeted last night by no less than two actions, and quite possibly more. How do I know I was targeted by two actions? I'll let you try and figure that one out, since you're a Mafia genius and all.

Why am I supposed to believe that? I mean, even if it were true, who the hell goes out and says it in thread? Because that not only fails to help you establish credibility, but exactly the opposite.

[Alkend]

Barghast, on 06 October 2010 - 10:53 PM, said:

@Alkend, what is this, Amateur Hour? How many kids did you see sign up for this game? This ain't my first time to the rodeo.

I am continually stunned to read you talking up this horseshit theory that "Talking About It Means You Are It." Don't try to repaint it with a glossy coat of, "Downplaying it." It's the same shitty paint.

As someone who has, quite unmercifully, been put into the lynch machine by that epic fail logic train in the past, I am painfully aware of the dangers of talking too much about one faction. But seriously... get a god damned clue. It would be a blunder and a rookie mistake to say, "Hey guys, let's focus less on the Necrons for a bit," if I were a Necron.

I'm about 40% certain you are.

Because you still haven't explained how we're supposed to form a "pseudo-alliance" (your own words there) with a faction of scum when we can't tell them apart. There's no practical way of letting the Necrons do our dirty work, besides never lynching, and hoping they target nothing but Eldar at Night.

Which is a really, really fucking stupid strategy.

[Alkend]

And Kalse, that's one long fucking breakfast you must be having.

[Barghast]

You're about 40% certain I'm Necron? Not 38%, not 49%, but 40%? Fascinating. Can I ask from what cesspool you retrieved this smelling pile of falsehood?

And I didn't explain how to form a pseudo-alliance because WE OBVIOUSLY WOULD NOT DO SO. You were thoughtful enough to go and research my posts, but unkind enough to not quote them in full context. Here you go, in abbreviated glory.

Barghast, on 05 October 2010 - 04:39 AM, said:

Necrons and Chaos are definitely not on our side, but they're not a "hard" counter to the town faction, either. The only reason I pick Necrons over Chaos as an improbable temporary ally is that Chaos doesn't really need town to win. Five Possessions, to me, says that the less we lynch, the more places the Chaos can hide as FM(s?).

On the other hand, Necrons can't really let any one faction get too big because all of the other scum factions can win at 50%+1. Ergo, Necrons and Town are pseudo-allies.

Now, if we can out a Necron, we lynch him, no doubt about it. But if we have a choice between Necron and someone else, I'd have to look at the other option. That's all I'm saying.

Simply stated, we aren't TRYING to form any kind of alliance. It just so happens that, by virtue of competing victory conditions, Necrons are the faction that happens to share the most in common with the town--> Kill the other factions. I was quite plain in stating that we clearly lynch off an outed Necron.

[Barghast]

And while my claims to fame may not earn me points in the overall credibility department (they will with everyone who targeted me), they aren't going to hurt me. Because who the hell gives up information just to put themselves in a worse position?

[Alkend]

Barghast, on 06 October 2010 - 11:33 PM, said:

And while my claims to fame may not earn me points in the overall credibility department (they will with everyone who targeted me), they aren't going to hurt me. Because who the hell gives up information just to put themselves in a worse position?

Then why the hell did you do it?