[Grief]

 Abyss, on 07 September 2010 - 02:57 PM, said:

re Jack - the interesting thing there is the level of contempt Jack shows for Connor. Goes to show that aside from Luke and Mark being generally despised, not all the other FA's are all hugs and smiles to each other.

I agree that they don't all like each other, but I didn't really read it as contempt.

"I don't get it, what would the soft headed pratt do with more of the package, maybe he was just trying to kill himself, you know".

I mean, it's not particularly nice, but I think contempt is too strong. I read it more as contemplative, like he's actually considering it as an option. "Soft headed pratt" could be read as derogatory, but I didn't really see it like that. More pitying or something.

"Not that useful" is bad wording, but Arkady is already angry at that stage, and Jack is backpedalling a bit. I read it more as "not active". Connor doesn't do much in relation to their actual situation. He records what's happened, but he isn't active in the way Kirk or Jack are.

Connor isn't portrayed as the cheeriest of people.

Particularly considering how much he seemed to want to get away from them in the last episode, it doesn't seem like an unlikely scenario. Until the last slide(which is a bit too humorous for me to think Jack was right), I definetely considered it possible that he'd just wanted to kill himself. If anything, I'd say Arkady over-reacts. She fairly goes into denial about it, not even considering it as an option, having a go at Jack. I think most of this comes from the fact that she blames herself for him shooting himself. She's very emotional, and wrapped up in her idea of his reasons for killing himself.

But I didn't really read it as contempt. I think Jack is wrong, but it was a valid suggestion at the time he made it.

[Abyss]

semi-related, Kait giving Jack crap for his 'plan' at the beginning of the ep was a nice touch.

[polishgenius]

Okay, today's episode... what the fuck.

Great art.

[Abyss]

 polishgenius, on 10 September 2010 - 04:28 PM, said:

Okay, today's episode... what the fuck.

Great art.

Seconded.
Esp when Mark shows up.

[Aptorian]

Oohh, Completely forgot the friday update. Weird stuff indeed. So it would seem that Mark is actually rather impotent right now because his "stroke" is effecting his power?

[Abyss]

Something like that - like he got the upgrade but not all the way, which raises the question of why it worked for Luke and Arkady... ok Arkady OD'd and then concussed/drowned which arguably isn't as traumatic as a psi-spike, but Luke had a big frikkin hole in his thinkymeatz and while he's not awake yet he seems to have made a full recovery - actually he made a more or less full recovery while he still had a hole in his head.


One can see why Connor says the bullet approach isn't exactly recommended...

Just before Mark shows up, it looks like Connor is following Alice back when she was making her way to Whitechapel under Mark's control... But Mark is speaking to Connor from a week in the future. Fuck.

[Morgoth]

I think what he means is that he's unconscious a week or so in the future from what they're watching right then, which makes sense. About a week after Alice arrived, Mark will be laying unconscious with Luke and Connor will just have shot himself. The whole point I guess is that The Time-Line Is Not Important.

Also, I now have acquired internet at the apartment

[polishgenius]

The way I read it is that the stroke he refers to is what the other FreakAngels induced when bringing down the house, and he hasn't fully recovered because he didn't die.

[amphibian]

 polishgenius, on 13 September 2010 - 07:29 PM, said:

The way I read it is that the stroke he refers to is what the other FreakAngels induced when bringing down the house, and he hasn't fully recovered because he didn't die.

A large explosion actually jars the molecules of one's body a bit. A big enough explosion at the right time could very possibly trigger a stroke, so it's likely the stroke was caused by the explosion and not simultaneously.

I interpreted the art/story of the last episode to mean that somehow the new girl will be leaving the Freakangels and possibly getting out into the British countryside or even into the American Midwest somehow. I also saw that Sirka seems to be committing suicide and maybe actually dying or getting into a Mark "stasis" situation.

Any idea what it says behind Sirka's second panel - "Mind Field P..c"?

[Grief]

Mind Field Panic, I think.

I thought I remembered the term, so checked. Luke mentions it in his speech:

http://www.freakange...m/?p=382&page=4

[polishgenius]

 amphibian, on 13 September 2010 - 09:58 PM, said:

I also saw that Sirka seems to be committing suicide and maybe actually dying or getting into a Mark "stasis" situation.

I'm pretty sure that's Connor, his hair's just purple because of the freaky psychedelic colour scheme. Look at everyone's hair in the first panel of page 3.

As for the American Midwest: the road signs are facing the right direction for UK traffic (yes, I bothered to check) so no reason to assume it's not just the M1 or something... And given Connor's past-tense references, I think it's a stretch to assume the scene takes place in the future.

[Abyss]

It's Connor in the Panic panel, not Sirkka.

Check out ep 2 http://www.freakangels.com/?p=25 there's Alice wearing the same clothes and carrying the same gun as in Connor's vision.

As an aside, interesting how the art's become a bit less raw since then. Alice looks like shite and Connor is even more gothy emo boy.

[Grief]

Do we know if Marks actually had a stroke just now(lying unconscious in the room wiki Miki) or could he be referring to something that will happen a week or so after connor shoots himself?

Also, is it just me, or, every time we see the scene of the shining beings sitting on the boiler-thing, are there only 11 of them(for reference, http://www.freakangels.com/?p=387)

There are twelve here:

http://www.freakange...m/?p=382&page=2

But not in the boiler place. I mean, it's a small thing, and there could be one sitting behind the figure on the far right, but how hard would've it been to draw it a bit more clearly?

When checking, I also found this:

http://www.freakangels.com/?p=420

Connor seems quite off hand about it, but have we actually seen Kait given Arkady these experiences? I mean, she's usually shielding her brain, and I don't remmeber it happening.

[Abyss]

 Grief, on 14 September 2010 - 02:54 PM, said:

Do we know if Marks actually had a stroke just now(lying unconscious in the room wiki Miki) or could he be referring to something that will happen a week or so after connor shoots himself?

I still think the stroke he refs is Kirk and Karl's hit.

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Also, is it just me, or, every time we see the scene of the shining beings sitting on the boiler-thing, are there only 11 of them...

Looks like there are 12 but two are a bit hidden behind others at either end.

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When checking, I also found this:

http://www.freakangels.com/?p=420

Connor seems quite off hand about it, but have we actually seen Kait given Arkady these experiences? I mean, she's usually shielding her brain, and I don't remmeber it happening.

A few eps ago Kait called for help against Mark and Arkady answered by porting in so the link is already there even if there are bits missing.

That or Arkady just reads minds even if shielded but being who she is no one notices or cares.

[Grief]

 Abyss, on 14 September 2010 - 03:47 PM, said:

 Grief, on 14 September 2010 - 02:54 PM, said:

Do we know if Marks actually had a stroke just now(lying unconscious in the room wiki Miki) or could he be referring to something that will happen a week or so after connor shoots himself?

I still think the stroke he refs is Kirk and Karl's hit.

I'm not sure it can be. When talking to connor he refers to their ability to return from the dead. However, when he is talking to Kait here about Kirk and Karl killing him, he is confused as to how he survived.

 Abyss, on 14 September 2010 - 03:47 PM, said:

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Also, is it just me, or, every time we see the scene of the shining beings sitting on the boiler-thing, are there only 11 of them...

Looks like there are 12 but two are a bit hidden behind others at either end.

Counting heads I still only see 11.

 Abyss, on 14 September 2010 - 03:47 PM, said:

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When checking, I also found this:

http://www.freakangels.com/?p=420

Connor seems quite off hand about it, but have we actually seen Kait given Arkady these experiences? I mean, she's usually shielding her brain, and I don't remmeber it happening.

A few eps ago Kait called for help against Mark and Arkady answered by porting in so the link is already there even if there are bits missing.

That or Arkady just reads minds even if shielded but being who she is no one notices or cares.

Dunno if she could. I mean, Kait says she'd know if Mark put pressure on her mind, so I'm not sure she could do it without being noticed. Also not sure she would.

I'd guess Kait shared them, though I'm not sure why only with Arkady, since connor didn't seem to know.

[Abyss]

 Grief, on 14 September 2010 - 04:34 PM, said:

...I'm not sure it can be. When talking to connor he refers to their ability to return from the dead. However, when he is talking to Kait here about Kirk and Karl killing him, he is confused as to how he survived.

The ability to come back is autonomic but for whatever reason Mark didn't recover entirely or 'unpack' fully. he's still confused which is why kait was able to hold him off. I guess.

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...Counting heads I still only see 11.

Look closer.
Closer.
Close-errrrrrrrrr...

heh, made you bang your nose on your screen, didn't i. That's mind-control right there.

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...Dunno if she could. I mean, Kait says she'd know if Mark put pressure on her mind, so I'm not sure she could do it without being noticed. Also not sure she would.

I'd guess Kait shared them, though I'm not sure why only with Arkady, since connor didn't seem to know.

Connor specifically asks if Kait is in there probably because she's the closest guarded brain of the FAs. But to Arkady there is no distinction.


A few interesting points from the whitechapel forum thread...

It had to be Connor because as the observer/recorder of the FAs, he the best one to actually learn something from what happens when they 'die'. None of the others would think to take notes. Luke, by example, just babbles. Arkady's barely coherent at the best of times.

Those two panels with Alice mean something. not clear on what or why, but something is clicking there - there's a reason she's shown at that point and i'm not clear just what but maybe it has to do with why Mark is talking to Connor...

When Mark says he's talking to Connor from a week in the future, is he referring to a week forward from when Connor shot himself (ie: Future Mark is talking to Now Connor ), or is that comatose Mark talking to Connor a week in the past back when Mark was following Alice (Now Mark and Now Connor are both watching events a week in the past).


Fuck. my head. fuck.

[Grief]

Good catch with the bit about connor. I'm not sure about whether or not Marks package would've properly unfolded when he was killed. He certainly gained the power up, which he tells kait about. He woke up being able to do something he couldn't before. Maybe his mental state was just screwed, or he didn't get the same experience Luke and connor seem to have. After all, Arkady had her OD years ago. She mentions hearing voices, but doens't figure out that they can't die. Even after she has the second experience, she doens't put it together till she learns that Luke is alive, iirc. The first death is easily explained in regards to this. She'd had an OD, so her hearing voices she'd probably put down to that. And the second time could just be a near-death experience.

Mark says he blakced out. So, he got the package unlock. The key difference may be that Karl and Kirk attacked his mind, whereas all the other deaths have been physical?

[Abyss]

 Grief, on 14 September 2010 - 05:36 PM, said:

...The key difference may be that Karl and Kirk attacked his mind, whereas all the other deaths have been physical?

You may be on to something there. An attack on the psi-level disrupting things in a way that a purely physical trauma can't. If their bodies are just meatsacks carrying uber-minds around, what happens to the body doesn't matter as much. Tho that raises the question of why it triggers the unpack.

morefuck.

[Sinisdar Toste]

just to toss my 2c in, seems to me that when mark is talking about kirk and karls attack and the stroke, he's speaking about two separate events. that's just my feeling.

also, there is def. 12 people on top of the boiler thingy, but the person behind the person on the right is pretty obscured, except for their nose and lips

[Morgoth]

I think people are too focused on who's the most powerful, which of the FA have evolved their package and so on. This is looking more and more like the less interesting discussions we get in the book forums.

I mean, I'm in all probability much better at Judo than Vin Diesel. Kait might not be stronger than Luke and Arkady, but there's no reason why she shouldn't be better than them at what she does still.