[Aptorian]

I finished season three last week it was awesome, even better than the second. Loved the season 4 opening.

I wonder where the hell Starbuck came from. Either she was reproduced by the cylons, which is a too obvious idea, or she was somehow teleported or transported through the eye of that storm.

It would be sweet if they find earth and a super advanced race of post-humans live there. I mean, you'd think that man-kind would be more advanced after 3000-4000 years on those colonies. Unless some kind of devolution of their societies was implemented for some reason long, long ago.

I like the fact that four new cylons have been revealed, it just doesn't make much sense that they're only revealed now. You would think we'd seen more copies of them on the base-ships like that asian chicks clones.

It was also bizar that sports-jog learns to be a pilot in two months. I guess they had to find a use for the character some-how.

[Werthead]

RDM (showrunner, producer and head writer Ronald D. Moore) has dropped a massive clue as to who the final Cylon is:

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There was a publicity photo for Season 4 called 'The Last Supper'. RDM has said that the Final Cylon is not in the picture. Removing the Penultimate Four and the identified Cylon models, that means that we can now remove Adama, Lee, Roslin, Starbuck and Helo from contention.

This is pretty major as it means the Final One is basically Zarek, Gaeta, Dee, Cally, Kelly or one of the minor pilots. To me, Zarek is the one that makes the most sense (given that the age barrier has now been lifted with Tigh revealed as a Cylon). However, as someone on another forum pointed out Kelly has the excuse that he was locked in the brig not to show up in the Season 3 finale, but I think he's too minor a character to warrant being the Final One.

Apt, the Final Five are completely different to the Significant Seven. They apparently act and operate in a radically different manner. There are no copies on the other basestars as they and the Seven are not on the same team. The inference from the Temple of the Five being on the Algae Planet for 3,000 years suggests that the Final Five may predate both the mechanical and humanoid Cylons from this iteration of the Cycle of Time and could even be immortal, which would be pretty messed up.

[QuickTidal]

Brilliant season 4 opener! Loves it!

I'm still not sure where it is all going, but I still can't get that half-breed Cylon from Battlestar Galactica: Razor out of my head.

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Kara Thrace will lead the human race to its end, she is the herald of the apocalypse, the harbinger of death; they must not follow her

That was hella ominous.

[McLovin]

I was just happy to see it on the air again. I'm quite stumped where it's going. I'm beginning to wonder if the whole point of the Cylons all along has been to find the Five. Maybe the Five are actually holdovers from a previous time ("all of this has happened before," right?) hiding among humanity all these years to prevent humanity's extinction?

EDIT - My other pet theory is that although the 13th colony went off to find Earth, they never made it. Or at least, didn't last once they got there. I'm thinking the Rag Tag Fleet actually arrives on Earth in antiquity, and becomes what we think of today as classical Greek civilization.

[QuickTidal]

McLovin;285294 said:

EDIT - My other pet theory is that although the 13th colony went off to find Earth, they never made it. Or at least, didn't last once they got there. I'm thinking the Rag Tag Fleet actually arrives on Earth in antiquity, and becomes what we think of today as classical Greek civilization.

The only flaw with this theory is that the song the four revealed Cylons on Galactica last season heard was the song "All Along The Watchtower" by Jimi Hendrix, which leads to believe that Earth is at least past the 1960's.....otherwise how does this permeate the Cylon models enough that they quote it out loud.

[Abyss]

Unless of course the song is just a 13 colonies version of the 'real' Bob Dylan song.

Anyrate, loved the S4 opener - those first ten minutes or so were brilliant great fun, possibly the best since the Exodus episodes. Ummm...

SPOILERS SPOILERS BATTLESTAR GALACTICA
S4 EP 1 FRAKKING SPOILERS DO NOT NOT NOT
READ UNLESS YOU FRAKKING WANT TO BE
FRAKING SPOILED YOU SPOILER READING
FRAK FRAKKER

Also, SPOILERS!

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The way they showed waves of raiders being turned back by the vipers was cool, Adama telling the AAA batteries to protect the fleet and let the Galactica take 30 or so nuke hits was classic Adama, Tigh's fake-out vision was freaky for all that it was obvious, and the bit where Starbuck took out the raider and it splashed 'blood' on her cockpit was just a nice touch.

The Cult of Gaius Baltar was just creepy.... loved when he looks around at all the young women, the freaky candles and the little shrine and says 'Right.'. I can't say i like this latest plot for him, but it does make sense in the bigger picture.

And he's still my candidate for the 12th Cylon. My running theory is that there is a third power playing both the humans and the Cylons towards some evolution-related goal.

Sam and the Chief's dialogue in the hangar was perfect, as was Starbuck's chat with Sam at the end.

Anyrate, overall, great ep and i'm just hoping they can maintain the level for the duration of their last season. S3 REALLY downturned in the middle there once they got off New Caprica until the finale.

- Abyss, still wants his own Viper...

[Aptorian]

Instead of making a new thread I thought I'd bring up a funny idea that pop'd into my head the other night.

Is it just me or does the character Admiral Helena Cain, the Pegasus Admiral that arrived in season 2 and returned in Razor, bare a striking resemblance to Adjunct Tavore of the 14th?

Cold, brilliant, ruthless and gay.

What say you?

[Coco with marshmallows]

Aptorian;287381 said:

Instead of making a new thread I thought I'd bring up a funny idea that pop'd into my head the other night.

Is it just me or does the character Admiral Helena Cain, the Pegasus Admiral that arrived in season 2 and returned in Razor, bare a striking resemblance to Adjunct Tavore of the 14th?

Cold, brilliant, ruthless and gay.

What say you?

thats.....

actually not a bad idea. i'd rep you, but i must spread some around yada yada yada.....

[QuickTidal]

Aptorian;287381 said:

Instead of making a new thread I thought I'd bring up a funny idea that pop'd into my head the other night.

Is it just me or does the character Admiral Helena Cain, the Pegasus Admiral that arrived in season 2 and returned in Razor, bare a striking resemblance to Adjunct Tavore of the 14th?

Cold, brilliant, ruthless and gay.

What say you?

Yup, good call. Rep for you.

[McLovin]

Then...T'amber is a Cylon?

*suddenly books make sense*

Anyway QT, good point about them quoting that song. That does kinda flush that theory in the pooper. I do agree about someone playing both humans and Cylons, and I'm wondering if it's the 12th Cylon who is the real puppetmaster. I like the notion that at least #12 (if not the Final Five) are holdovers from when this "happened before."

[RodeoRanch]

Cylon civil war? Interesting.

[QuickTidal]

The second episode of the season was almost a complete waste of time. The only story driven forward at all was Starbuck's insistence that they needed to go the other way....and even that was drawn WAY the hell out. The rest of the episode was fluff.....I mean ten full minutes overall about Apollo's leaving Galactica to go to ....another ship in the fleet....?! Are you effing kidding me?

Sigh.

Episode 3 had better be WAY more interesting than the filler that was episode 2.

[Werthead]

Darkest. Episode. Ever.

Crazy direction and really disturbing music built up to a shocking finale. I'd heard what was going to happen but not how it happened. Holy crap.

Some interesting background details: 'Weapons Locker 1701D' is an obvious homage to producer Ronald D. Moore's first job in the business (writing and producing for ST:TNG). And at about 28 minutes, when the other basestars jump in, you can clearly see the constellation of Orion in the background. An easter egg or the producers hinting that the Cylons and the Fleet are approaching Earth's neighbourhood?

[QuickTidal]

Holy shit that 3rd epsiode was intense. I was also not expecting that ending. Wow.

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I'm sad. I liked Cally a lot!! I'm gonna miss her.

[Aptorian]

Wow, that episode took a twist at the end I wasn't expecting.

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As soon as they started the episode with stressed mom and baby crying I knew there was going to be a mental breakdown and possible baby death or suicide in the episode. But having evil black cylon flush her out? Dude, she really is a bitch.

I'm sort of relieved they off'ed her though. Otherwise we'd have had to deal with a couple more angst ridden "Ohh no, my husband is a toaster, boo hoo, I'm so messed up, crawlliiiiing iiin myyy skiiiin..." episodes which would had been sickening.

[Kurt Montandon]

Aptorian;292223 said:

Wow, that episode took a twist at the end I wasn't expecting.

Spoiler

As soon as they started the episode with stressed mom and baby crying I knew there was going to be a mental breakdown and possible baby death or suicide in the episode. But having evil black cylon flush her out? Dude, she really is a bitch.

I'm sort of relieved they off'ed her though. Otherwise we'd have had to deal with a couple more angst ridden "Ohh no, my husband is a toaster, boo hoo, I'm so messed up, crawlliiiiing iiin myyy skiiiin..." episodes which would had been sickening.

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Yeah, I think they're skipping the full-episode soap opera business and just Getting Shit Done. From the preview, looks like next week's going to be even more intense. Oh, and Indian, not black - the nose, y'know.

And Cylon Civil War is awesome. But it opens the question - just how many Cylons are there? I doubt their logistics will ever really figure into the show, but surely they have to run out of Basestars sooner or later ...

[RodeoRanch]

Whoa, that episode was bleak.

[QuickTidal]

RodeoRanch;292358 said:

Whoa, that episode was bleak.

I have a scary feeling they may get even bleaker.

[drinksinbars]

had heard good things - but didnt like it myself.

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why did she go to the air lock anyway? surely she should have went to adama or even cottle

[Aptorian]

drinksinbars;292731 said:

had heard good things - but didnt like it myself.

Spoiler

why did she go to the air lock anyway? surely she should have went to adama or even cottle

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Besides being sick and strung out on pills and suffering from lack of sleep and stress, there's also the matter of her love for her husband.

She wasn't thinking straight. I don't think she ever considered turning her husband in, she still loved him, but she couldn't bare the thought of loving a machine and her child being near such a monster.

So she wanted to take the easy way out.