[Emurlahnis]

3 votes for night. That is not town play at all. Regardless of how you try to spin it. Going to night in a M/P game is tantamount to giving up. You learn nothing but crap from a NK. We have only managed one lynch this game which doesn't give us a lot of real information to go on. Going to night gives us zero information. Perhaps if you guys had managed to go to night in the first 20 minutes of day then you could have prayed that the scum didn't have extra just in case provisional's in. You know they do. Even if they didn't have a provisional in what would that have accomplished. NOTHING that is what. We would be right were we are now.


Right now I would vote for any of these three

Kessobahn, Sorrit, Hood's Path


At the least one of them is scum at the best they are all scum.


Also to whom ever said that I was the laziest player you have ever played with. When was the last time you played with Silencer or Gavin. They post less then me for the most part.

[Atrahal]

I'm also kind of against going to night.

1. Why would scum NK, if that's what we want them to do?
2. Emur should be modkilled slightly before the end of the day, by my count. If he's inno, and there's 3 scum left, the NK will make us lose.

I'm not really against it for reason 1, I just think it's a waste of time. Reason two means i'd prefer to lynch today, but I'm not massively bothered.

[Atrahal]

Emurlahnis, on 23 August 2010 - 04:10 PM, said:

3 votes for night. That is not town play at all. Regardless of how you try to spin it. Going to night in a M/P game is tantamount to giving up. You learn nothing but crap from a NK. We have only managed one lynch this game which doesn't give us a lot of real information to go on. Going to night gives us zero information. Perhaps if you guys had managed to go to night in the first 20 minutes of day then you could have prayed that the scum didn't have extra just in case provisional's in. You know they do. Even if they didn't have a provisional in what would that have accomplished. NOTHING that is what. We would be right were we are now.


Right now I would vote for any of these three

Kessobahn, Sorrit, Hood's Path


At the least one of them is scum at the best they are all scum.


Also to whom ever said that I was the laziest player you have ever played with. When was the last time you played with Silencer or Gavin. They post less then me for the most part.

Certainly arguable based on content, this game, if not sheer number of posts. Without going into meta, it is hard to argue about "for the most part". Also, that is kind of hinting that this isn't how you normally play. Thanks for soothing my paranoia there emur .

Anyway. I don't mind if we night or not. The maths says it doesn't really matter. At best we get a CF, at worst it's a waste of time. Tbh, i'm not sure much will change, and part of me wants to get this over with.

I'd be up for voting Kesso or HP.

[Emurlahnis]

Atrahal, on 23 August 2010 - 04:17 PM, said:

Emurlahnis, on 23 August 2010 - 04:10 PM, said:

3 votes for night. That is not town play at all. Regardless of how you try to spin it. Going to night in a M/P game is tantamount to giving up. You learn nothing but crap from a NK. We have only managed one lynch this game which doesn't give us a lot of real information to go on. Going to night gives us zero information. Perhaps if you guys had managed to go to night in the first 20 minutes of day then you could have prayed that the scum didn't have extra just in case provisional's in. You know they do. Even if they didn't have a provisional in what would that have accomplished. NOTHING that is what. We would be right were we are now.


Right now I would vote for any of these three

Kessobahn, Sorrit, Hood's Path


At the least one of them is scum at the best they are all scum.


Also to whom ever said that I was the laziest player you have ever played with. When was the last time you played with Silencer or Gavin. They post less then me for the most part.

Certainly arguable based on content, this game, if not sheer number of posts. Without going into meta, it is hard to argue about "for the most part". Also, that is kind of hinting that this isn't how you normally play. Thanks for soothing my paranoia there emur .

Anyway. I don't mind if we night or not. The maths says it doesn't really matter. At best we get a CF, at worst it's a waste of time. Tbh, i'm not sure much will change, and part of me wants to get this over with.

I'd be up for voting Kesso or HP.

I don't know how you people can complain about the amount of posts that I have. I plainly state along with a couple of others that I will be a low poster. I have been averaging at least 3 posts a game day. Plus how did you think I was close to being modkilled. There was a weekend freeze in and the clock has only been going for 10 hours or so.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 11 hours and 50 minutes left.

8 players are left alive. Anomandaris, Atrahal, D'riss, Emurlahnis, Galain, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Sorrit

5 votes to lynch, 4 to go to night.

3 Votes Night: Kessobahn, Sorrit, Hood's Path
1 Vote Hood's Path: Anomandaris

Players not voted: Atrahal, D'riss, Emurlahnis, Galain

[Galain]

Hmm, I thought there was a fair bit more time left than that I'm not against voting night, but HP and Kesso are my best guesses so I could vote for either pc them too. Either way day is going to time out at an awkward time for me, so I will probably have to put a vote before I go to bed, unless you guys also decide night is the way to go.

[Atrahal]

@Emur: Last post I saw of yours was 4 hours or so before the start of today, meaning you would have been modkilled slightly before end of today. Might've been wrong.

I'd rather vote Kesso, but that's just gut.

With ano already voting HP, it'd be easier to lynch him. On the other hand, why trust ano?

Vote Kessobahn

[Galain]

Atrahal, on 23 August 2010 - 06:43 PM, said:

@Emur: Last post I saw of yours was 4 hours or so before the start of today, meaning you would have been modkilled slightly before end of today. Might've been wrong.

I'd rather vote Kesso, but that's just gut.

With ano already voting HP, it'd be easier to lynch him. On the other hand, why trust ano?

Vote Kessobahn

I think Kesso is probably the better choice of the two too. HP has continually brought up WIFOM arguments on the insistence that anyone who could wildly be considered anyone else's partner or symp remains a suspect, but Kesso is pinging my scumdar just slightly more. I don't think there are enough people that will be online before the deadline to get the lynch, since a lot of people have said they won't be back until after the deadline.

The thing that I am starting to get very concerned about is D'riss not having shown up today. I'm sure he has normally been online by now. If he is inno and gets modkilled (not sure when that would happen) then his death would equate the free death we are trying to get for more info and voting night would have lost us the game.

With that thought I am going to put down a vote, just in case it is needed while I am asleep if D'riss gets modkilled.

vote kessobahn

[D'riss]

Sorry about being absent - I went though the weekend without any sleep what so ever due to some circumstances here, and I overslept on my afternoon nap today. I'm here , catching up.

[D'riss]

Path-Shaper, on 23 August 2010 - 04:37 PM, said:

It is Day 3. 11 hours and 50 minutes left.

8 players are left alive. Anomandaris, Atrahal, D'riss, Emurlahnis, Galain, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Sorrit

5 votes to lynch, 4 to go to night.

3 Votes Night: Kessobahn, Sorrit, Hood's Path
1 Vote Hood's Path: Anomandaris

Players not voted: Atrahal, D'riss, Emurlahnis, Galain

Now this is retarded. Seriously, why the hell vote night at this point? Because we -might- go through it without a NK?
What kind of bullshit logic is that? We almost always plan our actions based on the WCS. WCS at this point says there WILL be a NK, and we are willing to go through a day without a lynch , and without information from the lunch (vote train, arguements) and base our tomorrows actions on a NK that can throw us off track very easily.

All I can say is : WTF.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 8 hours and 3 minutes left.

8 players are left alive. Anomandaris, Atrahal, D'riss, Emurlahnis, Galain, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Sorrit

5 votes to lynch, 4 to go to night.

3 Votes Night: Kessobahn, Sorrit, Hood's Path
1 Vote Hood's Path: Anomandaris
2 Votes Kessobahn: Atrahal, Galain

Players not voted: D'riss, Emurlahnis

[D'riss]

Kessobahn, on 23 August 2010 - 02:00 PM, said:

We are not going to base the lynch off who gets nk'ed. Its a rather simplistic view to take. If you can provide one good reason not to vote night now then lets hear it. Cause stalling for time makes me think you are worried the nk wont go through as the killers havent been on.

One good reason?!?

How about this: Going by WCS it's D-Day, since we started with 12 players and we can assume that 3 are on team scum. Right now WCS says 3 players belong in the killer-symp combo, and 5 players belong in the town. Refusing to discuss/analyse things further, and try our options, we are placing the ball into scum territory. They can play as they see fit. I would rather we have initiative, and decide our actions, that wait and make conclusions based on scum NA's. Our conclusions come out from their posts and their arguements mostly - much like we don't rely on rolled town NAs so much - if they come in, its just icing on the cake, if they don't , then we just keep scum-hunting the usual way.

Voting for night is by no means any different, than stalling a lynch vote, or trying to avoid a lynch during the day. Simply because there might be no provs from team scum, again thats not good play, because it's not based on WCS theories.

The only conclusuion I can come up, with the above 3 people that have voted night, is that either they belong to team scum, or they are too afraid of making a wrong lynch which again is something that team town should always be aware and always willing to compromise with. I'd rather go down in a game, because -I- made a mistake, but was willing to stand by my actions and my gut feelings, rather that simply drift along and allow myself to be 'played' by others.

And something else to keep in mind: While people were focused on Hood's Path the entire day, Kesso stirred so much shit to draw attention, so people have focused on him rather than Hood's Path. That is -CLASSIC- symp play. And classic symp play late in a game, on a potential D-Day. Why are people falling for it?

Well, after all is said and done, if Ano-Emur are our killer combo, we're to blame as well, our inability and unwillingness to lynch off people is what is going to cost us the game here.

I will happily lynch any off these 3. Kesso for derailing, Sorrit for causing so much shit during the first 2 days and now voting night (also for giving reacharounds to Galain and lately Atrahal), and Hood's Path for laying low all this time, but trying to direct the game at this crucial hour. Also for being the 3rd night vote in there. Every single one of these three reaks of scum, right now.

[Kessobahn]

well i think you did a good job of ignoring the reason i voted night. Its not in the hope of there being no nk, but that there is one and so we have less people to worry about tomorrow. I fail to see why as scum i wouldnt just push a lycnh today instead of going to night. Of the three you mentioned, i am clearly inno, sorritt is likely inno because he had kittens when i voted atrahal OMGUS btw, but i would vote hp, except i am going to bed.

my meme is a wild scorlax, my role is town. lynch at your peril.

[Emurlahnis]

Driss I am in complete agreement with you. Although to be fair the inability to lynch anyone on day 1 wasn't a horrible thing, and yesterday there was a lynch.


Vote Hood's Path

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 7 hours and 29 minutes left.

8 players are left alive. Anomandaris, Atrahal, D'riss, Emurlahnis, Galain, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Sorrit

5 votes to lynch, 4 to go to night.

3 Votes Night: Kessobahn, Sorrit, Hood's Path
2 Votes Hood's Path: Anomandaris, Emurlahnis
2 Votes Kessobahn: Atrahal, Galain

Players not voted: D'riss

[Kessobahn]

sorry should have said snorlax not scorlax

[Kessobahn]

not that i have heard of either tbh

[Atrahal]

It's a pokemon...

[Hood's Path]

Morning all. Clock is starting to run down.

Alright, as for the random stuff thrown out while I was asleep - there is perfectly decent logic behind the night voting, D'riss. You can rant and rave but it does make sense. Odd/even rule, reducing the potential scum pool, and leaving us all with some more information, regardless of its quality or relevance. AND as an added bonus IF there was no NK, we would be exactly where we are now except with more time. It makes sense. Of course, the lack of an NK is now impossible unless healed/withheld, because everyone's been on, but when we were discussing it about half the player base hadn't shown up, so that was a marginal possibility back then. Not a main reason at all, but an additional one.

Anomandaris, on 23 August 2010 - 01:44 PM, said:

No I would not, most people are fully comprehensive of that notion without the need for elaboration, else the entire stand-up comedy indutry would have failed long ago.

On-topic, Atrahal's timing with his suggestion seems a bit opportunistic, like he wanted to get his plan in before we could focus on anything else today. The idea has merit, but I think he's among the most ideal to vote for if we follow that plan completely.

HP, though, seems the scummiest to me. Late on both lynch trains without being hammer, and very eager to join the vote-night-fest without having proposed any of it himself. He seems largely to avoid making his own proposals that might make others suspicious but gets in on all the major activities of the thread to avoid being singled out. For my money, he's the scummiest.

Now why are we voting night?

Oh, if you read back over the thread, you'll notice that I was 'late' onto both trains because I was voting elsewhere, pushing stuff. Then I had to switch to get a lynch. WHICH STILL DIDN'T HAPPEN DAY ONE. As for not being the hammer, that's just a fluke of the timer and my timezone - if I could have left the changes later I probably would have, though still no guarantee of getting hammer.

And I made a major proposal that made other people suspicious, or did you not read all of the day so far? And does supsicion only arise from proposals? *sigh*


Anyway, I'm here again, so we can discuss the actions. I'm willing to lynch as much as I am to go to night, it's just going to be a harder uphill slog to get a lynch with 3 votes to go each, as opposed to one vote for night.

AND it has a lot more immediate risk attached to lynching. Game over if we lynch wrong, as opposed to another d-day if we don't lynch.

[Atrahal]

Remove vote.
Vote night.


Because I think we need more time to discuss things. I don't want to remove as that would leave on candidate with more votes than another. I don't want to leave it, in case it gets piled on.

What is interesting is the voting patterns. We've had two people on 2 votes, and some have had oppurtunities to change etc. Gives us some information, though with not that many people being on, not as much as it could.

Goodnight. See you tommorow.