[Galain]

Kessobahn, on 23 August 2010 - 01:29 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 August 2010 - 12:56 PM, said:

I said I was going to work for a bit. Am back now.

Getting down to an odd number of players can't hurt, simply because it's one less suspect. So I could go down that path. Basing any sort of decision on the outcome of the possible NK is foolhardy in the extreme, especially since how we would react depending on who gets killed has been discussed in thread. We would essentially have told the scum exactly how we should be manipulated.

@HP (i think) atrahal's plan did not actually occur to me independently, but as soon as I saw it I realised he had made a good point and said as much.

regardless its not like we had any earth shattering revelations. The talk was centred around the various low posters and players not posting. so its always going to be a non entitiy against a lynch target. both sides have merit for the killers regardless of which group they fall into. fact is going to night now would reduce our numbers and increase the chance of a good lynch tomorrow

I understand, but even if we haven't had any earth shattering revelations, basing any lynch off of who got NK'd is asking for trouble in almost every situation. So I'm noting that eliminating one suspect is a valid course of action, pushing for a speed night vote to try catch the killers based on meta isn't. Same goes for discussing if the killer was x, y would die. I know nothing was set in stone, but it opens up too much WIFOM for the killers to exploit if we even discuss stuff like that.

[Sorrit]

Anomandaris, on 23 August 2010 - 01:55 PM, said:

If there's 2 scum left and we get one we will lose a day at the end by voting night tonight. If there's 3 scum left they will just kill Emur and we will get nothing out of it. It's a bad idea.

edit: also if there's 2 scum, what I mean is they will just kill Emur regardless but its bad for us if there's 2 left and we get one of them in the next couple days.

And what if ehmur is scum?

[Kessobahn]

Galain, on 23 August 2010 - 01:56 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 23 August 2010 - 01:29 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 August 2010 - 12:56 PM, said:

I said I was going to work for a bit. Am back now.

Getting down to an odd number of players can't hurt, simply because it's one less suspect. So I could go down that path. Basing any sort of decision on the outcome of the possible NK is foolhardy in the extreme, especially since how we would react depending on who gets killed has been discussed in thread. We would essentially have told the scum exactly how we should be manipulated.

@HP (i think) atrahal's plan did not actually occur to me independently, but as soon as I saw it I realised he had made a good point and said as much.

regardless its not like we had any earth shattering revelations. The talk was centred around the various low posters and players not posting. so its always going to be a non entitiy against a lynch target. both sides have merit for the killers regardless of which group they fall into. fact is going to night now would reduce our numbers and increase the chance of a good lynch tomorrow

I understand, but even if we haven't had any earth shattering revelations, basing any lynch off of who got NK'd is asking for trouble in almost every situation. So I'm noting that eliminating one suspect is a valid course of action, pushing for a speed night vote to try catch the killers based on meta isn't. Same goes for discussing if the killer was x, y would die. I know nothing was set in stone, but it opens up too much WIFOM for the killers to exploit if we even discuss stuff like that.

We are not going to base the lynch off who gets nk'ed. Its a rather simplistic view to take. If you can provide one good reason not to vote night now then lets hear it. Cause stalling for time makes me think you are worried the nk wont go through as the killers havent been on.

[Sorrit]

Galain, on 23 August 2010 - 01:56 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 23 August 2010 - 01:29 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 August 2010 - 12:56 PM, said:

I said I was going to work for a bit. Am back now.

Getting down to an odd number of players can't hurt, simply because it's one less suspect. So I could go down that path. Basing any sort of decision on the outcome of the possible NK is foolhardy in the extreme, especially since how we would react depending on who gets killed has been discussed in thread. We would essentially have told the scum exactly how we should be manipulated.

@HP (i think) atrahal's plan did not actually occur to me independently, but as soon as I saw it I realised he had made a good point and said as much.

regardless its not like we had any earth shattering revelations. The talk was centred around the various low posters and players not posting. so its always going to be a non entitiy against a lynch target. both sides have merit for the killers regardless of which group they fall into. fact is going to night now would reduce our numbers and increase the chance of a good lynch tomorrow

I understand, but even if we haven't had any earth shattering revelations, basing any lynch off of who got NK'd is asking for trouble in almost every situation. So I'm noting that eliminating one suspect is a valid course of action, pushing for a speed night vote to try catch the killers based on meta isn't. Same goes for discussing if the killer was x, y would die. I know nothing was set in stone, but it opens up too much WIFOM for the killers to exploit if we even discuss stuff like that.

since when are we def going to base the lynch off the NK.

At worst...there is one less low poster, and we are still in d-day same as today.

[Kessobahn]

Anomandaris, on 23 August 2010 - 01:55 PM, said:

If there's 2 scum left and we get one we will lose a day at the end by voting night tonight. If there's 3 scum left they will just kill Emur and we will get nothing out of it. It's a bad idea.

edit: also if there's 2 scum, what I mean is they will just kill Emur regardless but its bad for us if there's 2 left and we get one of them in the next couple days.

what makes you so sure emur is inno?

[Anomandaris]

I'm working under the purvey that if Emur is scum its a waste of a game, just like it would be if I were scum. As today has already shown, the lack of activity from him is pretty much a free pass and we've already lost.

[Sorrit]

Kessobahn, on 23 August 2010 - 02:08 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 23 August 2010 - 01:55 PM, said:

If there's 2 scum left and we get one we will lose a day at the end by voting night tonight. If there's 3 scum left they will just kill Emur and we will get nothing out of it. It's a bad idea.

edit: also if there's 2 scum, what I mean is they will just kill Emur regardless but its bad for us if there's 2 left and we get one of them in the next couple days.

what makes you so sure emur is inno?

OI....WAIT YOUR TURN!!

[Sorrit]

Anomandaris, on 23 August 2010 - 02:12 PM, said:

I'm working under the purvey that if Emur is scum its a waste of a game, just like it would be if I were scum. As today has already shown, the lack of activity from him is pretty much a free pass and we've already lost.

ok...so how is it a bad thing that he gets nk'd then?
it will at least put your mind at ease....no?

[Kessobahn]

Anomandaris, on 23 August 2010 - 02:12 PM, said:

I'm working under the purvey that if Emur is scum its a waste of a game, just like it would be if I were scum. As today has already shown, the lack of activity from him is pretty much a free pass and we've already lost.

then vote night. because your reasoning of losing a day later is on the basis of us lynching a scum today and i am not confidient enough in our choices to do that. if you have some insight you wish to chare than by all means. But saying its a bad idea and then not putting forward an alternative isnt helpful.

[Galain]

Kessobahn, on 23 August 2010 - 02:00 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 August 2010 - 01:56 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 23 August 2010 - 01:29 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 August 2010 - 12:56 PM, said:

I said I was going to work for a bit. Am back now.

Getting down to an odd number of players can't hurt, simply because it's one less suspect. So I could go down that path. Basing any sort of decision on the outcome of the possible NK is foolhardy in the extreme, especially since how we would react depending on who gets killed has been discussed in thread. We would essentially have told the scum exactly how we should be manipulated.

@HP (i think) atrahal's plan did not actually occur to me independently, but as soon as I saw it I realised he had made a good point and said as much.

regardless its not like we had any earth shattering revelations. The talk was centred around the various low posters and players not posting. so its always going to be a non entitiy against a lynch target. both sides have merit for the killers regardless of which group they fall into. fact is going to night now would reduce our numbers and increase the chance of a good lynch tomorrow

I understand, but even if we haven't had any earth shattering revelations, basing any lynch off of who got NK'd is asking for trouble in almost every situation. So I'm noting that eliminating one suspect is a valid course of action, pushing for a speed night vote to try catch the killers based on meta isn't. Same goes for discussing if the killer was x, y would die. I know nothing was set in stone, but it opens up too much WIFOM for the killers to exploit if we even discuss stuff like that.

We are not going to base the lynch off who gets nk'ed. Its a rather simplistic view to take. If you can provide one good reason not to vote night now then lets hear it. Cause stalling for time makes me think you are worried the nk wont go through as the killers havent been on.

I'm not stalling for time. I'm not in a rush to vote night either. If we go to night and there is no NK we are in the exact same position now, with the added confusion of meta regarding who has and hasn't been online. And its the kind of thing that Ano has been saying that I am trying to warn against. If we go on and on about how emu is the obvious choice, then all it takes if for the scum to kill someone else and all of a sudden emu looks very suspicious. I'm not saying that we are all going to fall for a move like that, but it will be one more thing we have to take into account when making our choice tomorrow and there has been enough WIFOM as it is.

[Anomandaris]

Kessobahn, on 23 August 2010 - 02:20 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 23 August 2010 - 02:12 PM, said:

I'm working under the purvey that if Emur is scum its a waste of a game, just like it would be if I were scum. As today has already shown, the lack of activity from him is pretty much a free pass and we've already lost.

then vote night. because your reasoning of losing a day later is on the basis of us lynching a scum today and i am not confidient enough in our choices to do that. if you have some insight you wish to chare than by all means. But saying its a bad idea and then not putting forward an alternative isnt helpful.

And how will tomorrow be any different?

[Kessobahn]

if we go to night and theres no kill, then no loss. counter resets and done. I dont think ano is going to convince anyone of anything given his low poster stigma. If you arent for voting night then the same question goes out to you. what you going to propose? you havent led a train or made any big cases all game galain. you have just defended since the start and apart from some talk of voting for yourself you are getting a clean game because you are just having to react. if you aint voting night then make a case for us to consider.

[Anomandaris]

Galain, on 23 August 2010 - 02:23 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 23 August 2010 - 02:00 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 August 2010 - 01:56 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 23 August 2010 - 01:29 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 August 2010 - 12:56 PM, said:

I said I was going to work for a bit. Am back now.

Getting down to an odd number of players can't hurt, simply because it's one less suspect. So I could go down that path. Basing any sort of decision on the outcome of the possible NK is foolhardy in the extreme, especially since how we would react depending on who gets killed has been discussed in thread. We would essentially have told the scum exactly how we should be manipulated.

@HP (i think) atrahal's plan did not actually occur to me independently, but as soon as I saw it I realised he had made a good point and said as much.

regardless its not like we had any earth shattering revelations. The talk was centred around the various low posters and players not posting. so its always going to be a non entitiy against a lynch target. both sides have merit for the killers regardless of which group they fall into. fact is going to night now would reduce our numbers and increase the chance of a good lynch tomorrow

I understand, but even if we haven't had any earth shattering revelations, basing any lynch off of who got NK'd is asking for trouble in almost every situation. So I'm noting that eliminating one suspect is a valid course of action, pushing for a speed night vote to try catch the killers based on meta isn't. Same goes for discussing if the killer was x, y would die. I know nothing was set in stone, but it opens up too much WIFOM for the killers to exploit if we even discuss stuff like that.

We are not going to base the lynch off who gets nk'ed. Its a rather simplistic view to take. If you can provide one good reason not to vote night now then lets hear it. Cause stalling for time makes me think you are worried the nk wont go through as the killers havent been on.

I'm not stalling for time. I'm not in a rush to vote night either. If we go to night and there is no NK we are in the exact same position now, with the added confusion of meta regarding who has and hasn't been online. And its the kind of thing that Ano has been saying that I am trying to warn against. If we go on and on about how emu is the obvious choice, then all it takes if for the scum to kill someone else and all of a sudden emu looks very suspicious. I'm not saying that we are all going to fall for a move like that, but it will be one more thing we have to take into account when making our choice tomorrow and there has been enough WIFOM as it is.

Somehow I don't think we're quite stupid enough to fall for that. WIFOM or no, we're well acquainted with scum trying to make someone look suspicious by not killing the obvious target. Killing the obvious target when it's been talked about tends to make just as much WIFOM-confusion as the other, anyways. Either way, I think we're smart enough to see through that, but at the same time I don't think the person killed will really give us much info either as right now any death will cast suspicion onto 5 other people...

[Kessobahn]

Anomandaris, on 23 August 2010 - 02:23 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 23 August 2010 - 02:20 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 23 August 2010 - 02:12 PM, said:

I'm working under the purvey that if Emur is scum its a waste of a game, just like it would be if I were scum. As today has already shown, the lack of activity from him is pretty much a free pass and we've already lost.

then vote night. because your reasoning of losing a day later is on the basis of us lynching a scum today and i am not confidient enough in our choices to do that. if you have some insight you wish to chare than by all means. But saying its a bad idea and then not putting forward an alternative isnt helpful.

And how will tomorrow be any different?

well for one of us we will be dead for a start.

[Anomandaris]

Kessobahn, on 23 August 2010 - 02:26 PM, said:

if we go to night and theres no kill, then no loss. counter resets and done. I dont think ano is going to convince anyone of anything given his low poster stigma. If you arent for voting night then the same question goes out to you. what you going to propose? you havent led a train or made any big cases all game galain. you have just defended since the start and apart from some talk of voting for yourself you are getting a clean game because you are just having to react. if you aint voting night then make a case for us to consider.

Why on earth do you think there would be no kill? There was one last night, probably going to be another tonight and the death will be either a suspicion-less person like me or Emur or it'll create a bucket of WIFOM that can be used on every person in the game. It won't help us. We should lynch who we think is most likely to be scum, because that will actually get us somewhere instead of letting scum kill the least likely people.

[Kessobahn]

Anomandaris, on 23 August 2010 - 02:29 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 23 August 2010 - 02:26 PM, said:

if we go to night and theres no kill, then no loss. counter resets and done. I dont think ano is going to convince anyone of anything given his low poster stigma. If you arent for voting night then the same question goes out to you. what you going to propose? you havent led a train or made any big cases all game galain. you have just defended since the start and apart from some talk of voting for yourself you are getting a clean game because you are just having to react. if you aint voting night then make a case for us to consider.

Why on earth do you think there would be no kill? There was one last night, probably going to be another tonight and the death will be either a suspicion-less person like me or Emur or it'll create a bucket of WIFOM that can be used on every person in the game. It won't help us. We should lynch who we think is most likely to be scum, because that will actually get us somewhere instead of letting scum kill the least likely people.

do you read the thread? galain asked what would happen if no one died.

well then lets see you vote for who you think is scum.

[Sorrit]

Galain, on 23 August 2010 - 02:23 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 23 August 2010 - 02:00 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 August 2010 - 01:56 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 23 August 2010 - 01:29 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 August 2010 - 12:56 PM, said:

I said I was going to work for a bit. Am back now.

Getting down to an odd number of players can't hurt, simply because it's one less suspect. So I could go down that path. Basing any sort of decision on the outcome of the possible NK is foolhardy in the extreme, especially since how we would react depending on who gets killed has been discussed in thread. We would essentially have told the scum exactly how we should be manipulated.

@HP (i think) atrahal's plan did not actually occur to me independently, but as soon as I saw it I realised he had made a good point and said as much.

regardless its not like we had any earth shattering revelations. The talk was centred around the various low posters and players not posting. so its always going to be a non entitiy against a lynch target. both sides have merit for the killers regardless of which group they fall into. fact is going to night now would reduce our numbers and increase the chance of a good lynch tomorrow

I understand, but even if we haven't had any earth shattering revelations, basing any lynch off of who got NK'd is asking for trouble in almost every situation. So I'm noting that eliminating one suspect is a valid course of action, pushing for a speed night vote to try catch the killers based on meta isn't. Same goes for discussing if the killer was x, y would die. I know nothing was set in stone, but it opens up too much WIFOM for the killers to exploit if we even discuss stuff like that.

We are not going to base the lynch off who gets nk'ed. Its a rather simplistic view to take. If you can provide one good reason not to vote night now then lets hear it. Cause stalling for time makes me think you are worried the nk wont go through as the killers havent been on.

I'm not stalling for time. I'm not in a rush to vote night either. If we go to night and there is no NK we are in the exact same position now, with the added confusion of meta regarding who has and hasn't been online. And its the kind of thing that Ano has been saying that I am trying to warn against. If we go on and on about how emu is the obvious choice, then all it takes if for the scum to kill someone else and all of a sudden emu looks very suspicious. I'm not saying that we are all going to fall for a move like that, but it will be one more thing we have to take into account when making our choice tomorrow and there has been enough WIFOM as it is.

well if there is no kill we just vote night again

you really think people are going to get away with WIFOM arguments anymore?

If someone other than Ehmur or ano get killed then we will have the benefit of the CF of people who can give teh thread some info...and we can rule out a few possibilities as a result.
Forget about actually using who gets targetted and rather think about gettgin to see soemone elses CF...someone other than the pitiful 2 people that actually played the game that are dead.
we get another CF without taking a risk of losing the game. Its a definite inno CF but that can still be very revealing.

The more we discuss this the more we give the killers something to consider when picking their target.
meh

[Sorrit]

Kessobahn, on 23 August 2010 - 02:31 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 23 August 2010 - 02:29 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 23 August 2010 - 02:26 PM, said:

if we go to night and theres no kill, then no loss. counter resets and done. I dont think ano is going to convince anyone of anything given his low poster stigma. If you arent for voting night then the same question goes out to you. what you going to propose? you havent led a train or made any big cases all game galain. you have just defended since the start and apart from some talk of voting for yourself you are getting a clean game because you are just having to react. if you aint voting night then make a case for us to consider.

Why on earth do you think there would be no kill? There was one last night, probably going to be another tonight and the death will be either a suspicion-less person like me or Emur or it'll create a bucket of WIFOM that can be used on every person in the game. It won't help us. We should lynch who we think is most likely to be scum, because that will actually get us somewhere instead of letting scum kill the least likely people.

do you read the thread? galain asked what would happen if no one died.

well then lets see you vote for who you think is scum.

I dont think he has read the thread all of his questions have already been answered....

[Anomandaris]

Okay,

Vote HP

Oh noes he's voting and the scum can pile on oh noes!

[Kessobahn]

well there goes my ano, hp and sorrit theory