[Path-Shaper]

Day 2, 8 hours and 15 minutes remain.


10 players are left alive. Anomandaris, Atrahal, D'riss, Emurlahnis, Galain, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Olar Ethil, Silchas Ruin, Sorrit,

6 votes to lynch, 5 to go to night.

1 vote Silchas Ruin: Kessobahn
2 votes Hood's Path: Olar Ethil, Silchas Ruin
1 vote Anomandaris: Emurlahnis
1 vote Emurlahnis: Anomandaris
1 vote Galain: Hood's Path

Players not voted: Atrahal, D'riss, Galain, Sorrit

[Atrahal]

Not really sure what's going on with SR. I don't like the way he's playing, and it's giving me serious scum vibes. Justifying behaviour with questions like "If I was scum, would I do that?" is pretty weak. Scum have a varied style of play, so it's not that hard to believe someone would do soemthin risky as scum, after all, if it's risky enough, the argument "If I was scum, I wouldn't do that" is easy to use. Let's look at the other way though. After all, it's easier to understand innos motivations than scums, since they do not play such a convoluted game, and there aren't potential outside factors(partners being threatened, etc). They are playing for the good of the inno team. We all know there motivations. Does it make any sense whatsoever for you to play like you have if you are inno? No.

I would happily lynch SR.His arguments have been nonsensical, and his actions scummy. He seems most likely a symp though.

So, I'm going to:

Vote Galain

It gives us the most information. I really don't trust the way it was avoided yesterday(particularly SRs refusal to vote for a lynch, and subsequent explanations of why which don't make sense from an inno POV).

[Path-Shaper]

Day 2, 7 hours and 40 minutes remain.


10 players are left alive. Anomandaris, Atrahal, D'riss, Emurlahnis, Galain, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Olar Ethil, Silchas Ruin, Sorrit,

6 votes to lynch, 5 to go to night.

1 vote Silchas Ruin: Kessobahn
2 votes Hood's Path: Olar Ethil, Silchas Ruin
1 vote Anomandaris: Emurlahnis
1 vote Emurlahnis: Anomandaris
2 votes Galain: Hood's Path, Atrahal

Players not voted: Atrahal, D'riss, Galain, Sorrit

[D'riss]

Olar that's quite nice of you to state things so clearly. From what it seems, you are the ONLY one around here willing to PI someone, on a Day 2. And most importantly trying to justify that on a WIFOM case. Why would a scum do something like that? Why the heck would it not? Let's play these games as well - distraction, smokescreens, and no clear-cut answers.
What the hell happened to 'everyone is a suspect until proven otherwise'? Cool, let's just run this jointhole as cliques.

I'm geting fed up with this kind of approach and attitude. So I decided that I will play your little wifom game.
You wana PI Silchas? Fine.
If you have more info, like I said yesterday to someone else, start laying your hands on the table.

vote Silchas Ruin

Because noone should be considered a townie before a scum, and especially on day 2 basis.

[Silchas Ruin]

Well that's all fine and dandy, Atrahal, but what info does Galain give you about me? If you think I'm a symp, surely you lynch me if Galain is scum. If Galain is inno, what then? Do you lynch me anyway?

Are you looking for info about someone else? Or are you just looking for a way to keep HP's train from getting too much steam?

We do need to consider the logistics of a lynch at this point, though. We should probably consider that Kesso will vote Galain since he really doesn't like me and I'm openly supporting Galain. Emurlahnis seems gone for the day. Galain will clearly vote for HP if he needs to. So we have the following matrix:

3 votes Hood's Path: Olar Ethil, Silchas Ruin, Galain
1 vote Anomandaris: Emurlahnis
3 votes Galain: Hood's Path, Atrahal, Kessobahn


Players not voted: Anomandaris, D'riss, Sorrit

We need 6 to lynch, so all 3 of the undecideds have to vote for the same person, or we have to have a vote swap. Olar already indicated he'd vote for Galain, but I don't think Atrahal or Kesso are likely to switch to HP.

Just an FYI since we're under 8 hours.

[Silchas Ruin]

Well with that new post by Dr'iss, clearly you can interchange me or Galain at this point. I'm pretty sure HP and Atrahal would switch to vote me off.

FWIW, I think the scum team is probably HP and D'riss, and I wouldn't be shocked to see either of Emurlahnis or Sorrit in there, either.

[Silchas Ruin]

Also, good job asking Olar to reveal, D'riss. Very cleverly worded. But I'm pretty sure I've got you beat in this game.

[Atrahal]

That can be read in more than one way SR...

My problem with voting HP is it gives us no information about anyone, and I think the case is pretty weak. He's not connected to anyone, and the case is based on smooth play, and gut feeling.

Yes, he''s been smooth, but he's not the only one accusable of that, and it's not really much of a case.

[Atrahal]

Also, being sure who the scum are is one thing. Convincing others is another. Being right is a third.

[D'riss]

Silchas Ruin, on 19 August 2010 - 11:27 PM, said:

Also, good job asking Olar to reveal, D'riss. Very cleverly worded. But I'm pretty sure I've got you beat in this game.

I care less what you think. You can keep riding Galain, and Olar can keep riding you, for all I care. Buddy-buddy on a Day 2 basis, you guys aren't been subtle at all. At the very least, don't make it so obvious to the point of taunting/mocking the rest of us.
You're trying to force this into 'your' version of the story: You and your buddies vs a number of people that you have targeted. Last time I checked there are still others around here, playing this game - it's quite rude to write them out at this point, just because it suits you.
As far as I know everyone is guilty until proven otherwise. And I don't set up next-days lynches based on what happens in one day. CFs and train votes provide us with enough data to analyse and discuss on. Oh, but wait. I guess we should play the 'Lynch him then him because me-her-and him are innocent because we say so' game instead.


edit: grammar

This post has been edited by D'riss: 19 August 2010 - 11:51 PM

[Emurlahnis]

Olar has managed to make two of the most suspicious posts to me. I voted for him immediately as soon as I saw this post.

Olar Ethil, on 17 August 2010 - 07:14 PM, said:

I can Haz Cheezburgers? Good stuff day one and the ant hill seems a bit stirred up... did we really hit something day one? I am most certainly amazed!! I can haz cheezburgers???!? The Analytical lovers each repeat the same thing every game about day one being a waste. I disaggree most orgasmically! I can haz cheezeburgers nao?!?! I think a good day one sets up a good base for our future voting. So, while me might almost never hit scum day one, it does help us down the line. I can't haz cheezeburgers??


ffffffFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

His defense was that he was playing Meme. If he is a symp then he would know who his masters are. A obnoxious opening post that can be played off as day one joking is a great way for a symp to signal his masters. When he posted this almost all of the day one joking was done. Driss opening post right before Olar's tried to make light of the fact that people were already getting serious.

Olar Ethil, on 19 August 2010 - 10:16 PM, said:

I'm changing my thinking here as I look at the thread. I am having trouble justifying SR's behavior, and seeing it in a scum light. My main reason for thinking that SR isn't scum is that I can see no reason for him to come on thread, state he doesn't think Galain is scum, vote D'riss and stick around till lynch time. If he was scum why would he do that and make himself look so much worse. All he would have to do is lurk and shut the hell up. More likely he was inno that didn't have anything to hide and didn't think Galain was scum. Do I agree with his decision? No. But thats spilt milk. I just have a hard time believing that scum would put themselves out there like that.

On another point. It's not as much of a derail as it looks like. 12 people in the game. 7 for lynch. 2 of those people were inno's not playing. so really we needed 7 out of ten people to get a lynch. We had 6. Silchas says that he doesn't think 2 scum would be on a train, but seeing as we had 60% of the remaining players on that train, the idea of 2 scum on the galain train isn't that far fetched.

So for me, at this point I have:

People I find unlikely to be scum: Me, SR

People I have no/little read on: Emur, Anno, Sorrit, Atrahal, Kesso ( there is likely a scum in this group, but need more info),

People who are giving me scum vibe: HP, D'riss(I'll never forgive that opening post!) Galain (more likely symp than killer)


Until we get a lynch and a NK we are really just grasping at straws here. So at this point I would be willing to vote for anyone of HP, D'riss or Galain.



I am out for a while playing games.
I can check in briefly tonight but will be gone around lynch time.

So the person who I have suspected as a symp from the start of the game has now PI someone based on absolutely nothing. To me that smells like a symp trying to clear his master. I am going with my gut in this game so

Remove Vote

Vote SIlchas Ruin

[Path-Shaper]

Day 2, 4 hours and 40 minutes remain.


10 players are left alive. Anomandaris, Atrahal, D'riss, Emurlahnis, Galain, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Olar Ethil, Silchas Ruin, Sorrit,

6 votes to lynch, 5 to go to night.

3 vote Silchas Ruin: Kessobahn, D'riss, Emurlahnis
2 votes Hood's Path: Olar Ethil, Silchas Ruin
1 vote Emurlahnis: Anomandaris
2 votes Galain: Hood's Path, Atrahal

Players not voted: Atrahal, Galain, Sorrit

[Galain]

Are we getting an extension on account of the forum being down? I've been trying to log in for hours.

At this point there are still tons of people that I do not have a read on, especially ano and emu. I've said before I think scum were more than likely on the train against me, so I think HP could be a good vote. There hasn't been any obvious pairing between of the 6, so I can't be sure though. Kesso and D'riss are both definite suspects at this point, but there isn't a train on either of them.

I could vote SR to get a lynch, but I am very hesitant. D-day looms and I can't really see evil acting the way he did. That said I don't like how he is equated a poor case against me to me being inno. Sounds kind of weird to attack someone for supporting you, but I don't see how anyone but scum can be so sure of anyone's innocence.

[Shinrei]

Hi. The forum was back up briefly about a half hour ago, and I tried to post an extension then but the forum failed again as I posted.

Please consider the following correct. (the final 4 hours 40 minutes starts from now)

Day 2, 4 hours and 40 minutes remain.


10 players are left alive. Anomandaris, Atrahal, D'riss, Emurlahnis, Galain, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Olar Ethil, Silchas Ruin, Sorrit,

6 votes to lynch, 5 to go to night.

3 vote Silchas Ruin: Kessobahn, D'riss, Emurlahnis
2 votes Hood's Path: Olar Ethil, Silchas Ruin
1 vote Emurlahnis: Anomandaris
2 votes Galain: Hood's Path, Atrahal

Players not voted: Atrahal, Galain, Sorrit

[Kessobahn]

Silchas Ruin, on 19 August 2010 - 11:24 PM, said:

We need 6 to lynch, so all 3 of the undecideds have to vote for the same person, or we have to have a vote swap. Olar already indicated he'd vote for Galain, but I don't think Atrahal or Kesso are likely to switch to HP.

Just an FYI since we're under 8 hours.

Actually on day 1 when i voted for galain i did say sorrit could be symp for hp or galain and hp has done nothing to alleviate my fears so i could vote for him, but my order of voting would be SR, galain, hp then probably ano or emur who had that odd exchange when they voted each other which was totally out of the blue and implied some serious attempts at lurking on both their parts.

[Galain]

Well we have four hours to decide. The Americans might be online in time for the deadline, but I don't think we should be counting on it.

My preference would be HP, then SR, but I am willing to vote myself too if simply to avoid another day without a lynchand the continued argument about me. I don't think I am the best choice any more though, my CF isn't going to give the answers that people have purported it will.

Edit TS to SR, have been getting those two confused all game, damn avatarless mobile skin.

This post has been edited by Galain: 20 August 2010 - 10:15 AM

[Kessobahn]

Unless your scum the cf will give us nothing, but if it will stop the last two days from being washouts it may be the only choice.

[Galain]

Kessobahn, on 20 August 2010 - 10:21 AM, said:

Unless your scum the cf will give us nothing, but if it will stop the last two days from being washouts it may be the only choice.

I understand this, which is why I am willing to vote myself if push comes to shove. I would rather lynch off someone I believe has a chance of being guilty if it is possible though.

[Sorrit]

Ok....im going to rant here so bare with me...but this is a long time coming now.!!!
This is my personal view so feel free to skip it or rubbish it but this is fucking how i feel god dammit

Atrahal, on 19 August 2010 - 11:02 PM, said:

Not really sure what's going on with SR. I don't like the way he's playing, and it's giving me serious scum vibes. Justifying behaviour with questions like "If I was scum, would I do that?" is pretty weak. Scum have a varied style of play, so it's not that hard to believe someone would do soemthin risky as scum, after all, if it's risky enough, the argument "If I was scum, I wouldn't do that" is easy to use. Let's look at the other way though. After all, it's easier to understand innos motivations than scums, since they do not play such a convoluted game, and there aren't potential outside factors(partners being threatened, etc). They are playing for the good of the inno team. We all know there motivations. Does it make any sense whatsoever for you to play like you have if you are inno? No.

I would happily lynch SR.His arguments have been nonsensical, and his actions scummy. He seems most likely a symp though.

So, I'm going to:

Vote Galain

It gives us the most information. I really don't trust the way it was avoided yesterday(particularly SRs refusal to vote for a lynch, and subsequent explanations of why which don't make sense from an inno POV).

What i don't get about you atrahal, is that you just refuse to see (or at least acknowledge) the other persons side of any given argument.
You will stick with what YOU think is happening come hell or high water! With no consideration to the merit of the other persons argument.
I dont know if its because you just have no imagination or you are unable to have a leap of faith and see where it leads you or what!!.

To me... silchas' explanations do make sense, and i can see there is a certain merit to what he is saying and it could very well be the truth here.
So i have to take it into consideration as a possibility of being the truth....not you, you just write it of and rubbish it and stick to your view, a view which i see as being the less likely scenario given the circumstances!!

Your CONSTANT bitching about people using a "killer wont do this" as an "excuse" is even more fucking irritating than anything else.
You are siding with a less likely scenario just to make your point stick and the other person look bad.

For instance. What is more likely on average for any given killer to do on day one.
To come on and start blocking lynches and making waves simply to hopefully appear inno once the lynch goes through some other day on that same person and he cant point at the inno CF. Getting all the attention focused on himself in return?
Or for the killer to jump at the opportunity to get the lynch done dusted, get day one nerves over with...and start picking a target for the night kill?

For your AVERAGE person....you got to think that it is more likely that a killer is not going to make fucking waves and start blocking lynches...correct?
You cant come on here and tell me that its more likely that he would be sticking his head out on the block just to get a chance to say "i told you so", im not saying its impossible, im not saying that this is not the case here....but what are the odds? you cant rubbish the odds man!!

SO here you are using the more fantastical side of the coin and using these ideas to make your case and then rubbishing the defenses that are considered the general norm?
THEY ARE THE NORM.....it means that MOST of the time that is what happens or should happen and therefore DOES have fucking merit in an argument. Fuck sakes.
The point is to put yourself into a killers shoes and think...."would i do that or would i do that". Thats about all we can do.
There is nothing wrong with making a case for the the scenario that is less likely, but dont go and rubbish someone's counter argument simply because his argument is the one that makes the most sense and is what a killer would normally do!! "Oh deary me!! And he has the GALL to say as much in his response!!"

You cant start crying foul and "WIFOM" when your initial case is one half of a WIFOM case to begin with!!... you are just using one side of a WIFOM argument and then you have the audacity you to cry foul and scream "WIFOM WIFOM" at every turn...when he is simply stating the other side of your initial WIFOM argument!!!...come on!! The argument is flawed from the beginning in the fact that it was always a bloody wifom argumnet you just never bothers to incluse the other possibitlys to suit your need....dont you get it?

fuckign irritating.
You have to judge for your self if you think a killer would be so bold and then decide if you believe it or not.
So stop rubbishing people when they say a killer would not act like that because it makes fucking sense that a killer would not act like that!!..its up to you to decide if the person who has said that is trying to bullshit...my god man!!
You are either so stubborn you refuse to acknowledge what silchas is saying is a very plausible truth or you are scum that just keeps wanting to push things the way you want them to go.

/RANT


ok...now i will go have my coffee bloody hell.

[Sorrit]

Ok....im going to rant here so bare with me...but this is a long time coming now.!!!
This is my personal view so feel free to skip it or rubbish it but this is fucking how i feel god dammit

Atrahal, on 19 August 2010 - 11:02 PM, said:

Not really sure what's going on with SR. I don't like the way he's playing, and it's giving me serious scum vibes. Justifying behaviour with questions like "If I was scum, would I do that?" is pretty weak. Scum have a varied style of play, so it's not that hard to believe someone would do soemthin risky as scum, after all, if it's risky enough, the argument "If I was scum, I wouldn't do that" is easy to use. Let's look at the other way though. After all, it's easier to understand innos motivations than scums, since they do not play such a convoluted game, and there aren't potential outside factors(partners being threatened, etc). They are playing for the good of the inno team. We all know there motivations. Does it make any sense whatsoever for you to play like you have if you are inno? No.

I would happily lynch SR.His arguments have been nonsensical, and his actions scummy. He seems most likely a symp though.

So, I'm going to:

Vote Galain

It gives us the most information. I really don't trust the way it was avoided yesterday(particularly SRs refusal to vote for a lynch, and subsequent explanations of why which don't make sense from an inno POV).

What i don't get about you atrahal, is that you just refuse to see (or at least acknowledge) the other persons side of any given argument.
You will stick with what YOU think is happening come hell or high water! With no consideration to the merit of the other persons argument.
I dont know if its because you just have no imagination or you are unable to have a leap of faith and see where it leads you or what!!.

To me... silchas' explanations do make sense, and i can see there is a certain merit to what he is saying and it could very well be the truth here.
So i have to take it into consideration as a possibility of being the truth....not you, you just write it of and rubbish it and stick to your view, a view which i see as being the less likely scenario given the circumstances!!

Your CONSTANT bitching about people using a "killer wont do this" as an "excuse" is even more fucking irritating than anything else.
You are siding with a less likely scenario just to make your point stick and the other person look bad.

For instance. What is more likely on average for any given killer to do on day one.
To come on and start blocking lynches and making waves simply to hopefully appear inno once the lynch goes through some other day on that same person and he cant point at the inno CF. Getting all the attention focused on himself in return?
Or for the killer to jump at the opportunity to get the lynch done dusted, get day one nerves over with...and start picking a target for the night kill?

For your AVERAGE person....you got to think that it is more likely that a killer is not going to make fucking waves and start blocking lynches...correct?
You cant come on here and tell me that its more likely that he would be sticking his head out on the block just to get a chance to say "i told you so", im not saying its impossible, im not saying that this is not the case here....but what are the odds? you cant rubbish the odds man!!

SO here you are using the more fantastical side of the coin and using these ideas to make your case and then rubbishing the defenses that are considered the general norm?
THEY ARE THE NORM.....it means that MOST of the time that is what happens or should happen and therefore DOES have fucking merit in an argument. Fuck sakes.
The point is to put yourself into a killers shoes and think...."would i do that or would i do that". Thats about all we can do.
There is nothing wrong with making a case for the the scenario that is less likely, but dont go and rubbish someone's counter argument simply because his argument is the one that makes the most sense and is what a killer would normally do!! "Oh deary me!! And he has the GALL to say as much in his response!!"

You cant start crying foul and "WIFOM" when your initial case is one half of a WIFOM case to begin with!!... you are just using one side of a WIFOM argument and then you have the audacity you to cry foul and scream "WIFOM WIFOM" at every turn...when he is simply stating the other side of your initial WIFOM argument!!!...come on!! The argument is flawed from the beginning in the fact that it was always a bloody wifom argumnet you just never bothers to incluse the other possibitlys to suit your need....dont you get it?

fuckign irritating.
You have to judge for your self if you think a killer would be so bold and then decide if you believe it or not.
So stop rubbishing people when they say a killer would not act like that because it makes fucking sense that a killer would not act like that!!..its up to you to decide if the person who has said that is trying to bullshit...my god man!!
You are either so stubborn you refuse to acknowledge what silchas is saying is a very plausible truth or you are scum that just keeps wanting to push things the way you want them to go.

/RANT


ok...now i will go have my coffee bloody hell.