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Mafia 64.1 The Culling of the Memes M&P

#281 User is offline   D'riss 

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 04:59 PM

View PostEmurlahnis, on 19 August 2010 - 04:51 PM, said:

Sorry guys I don't really have time to make a case.

But amid all of the hub bub about HP I feel that we have forgotten about Anomandaris. He has been sliding through the game with barely a ripple.


Vote Anomandaris



You do realise you're in the same spotlight as Ano in quite a few of the people around here, right?

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 05:00 PM

View PostOlar Ethil, on 19 August 2010 - 04:54 PM, said:

Yeah.... how SR thinks that a no-vote is actually helping us right now is beyond me.... Like I said, I would be fine with a vote for him just based on his deadline play yesterday but I am sticking with HP for now.



Pro-tip Kids: in a M&P a wrong lynch is better than no lynch on day 1!!!

Hey dude, I know the rule. But when we lynch scum Day 1 and get good info out of it, I'll happily agree.

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 05:02 PM

There, hopefully that will quell the disquiet.

Keep in mind that if the game started with 3 scum that if you lynch me, it's now D-Day.

Also, I did forget one possibility -- there was a BP in play yesterday. I find that somewhat unlikely in a M&P game, personally.

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 05:04 PM

My instincts tell me to vote HP since I had a vote on him yesterday and you shouldn't doubt your instincts in Mafia, but Anomandaris strikes me as someone playing a perfectly out of the spotlight game. The problem is, they are probably not both scum.

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 05:08 PM

View PostSilchas Ruin, on 19 August 2010 - 05:04 PM, said:

My instincts tell me to vote HP since I had a vote on him yesterday and you shouldn't doubt your instincts in Mafia, but Anomandaris strikes me as someone playing a perfectly out of the spotlight game. The problem is, they are probably not both scum.



You do realise that this sounds like "I voted for HP but I seriously hope someone <convinces> me to switch my vote to Anomandaris, please please" ?

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 05:17 PM

lol, what on earth has indicated that I am looking to guidance from other players? What a joke.

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 05:25 PM

View PostEmurlahnis, on 19 August 2010 - 04:51 PM, said:

Sorry guys I don't really have time to make a case.

But amid all of the hub bub about HP I feel that we have forgotten about Anomandaris. He has been sliding through the game with barely a ripple.


Vote Anomandaris


Hi guys, I have a little time to make a case.

Amid all of Emur's hub bub about me I feel that he's forgotten about himself. He has been sliding through the game with no ripple at all. That's mighty easy when you have 8 posts and only show up for a quarter of a second at a time before immediately running off.



View PostSilchas Ruin, on 19 August 2010 - 04:58 PM, said:

OK, stuff we know (also there's a typo in Ano being left in the vote for Olar and Olar's vote being left on Galain)
  • There's a guard or a healer in the game. Healer is more likely. A Healer would have been very smart to heal someone like Emur or me last night since we were good kill targets (I'm no longer a good kill target because i'm lynchable).
  • 5 people thought the Galain case was garbage: Olar, Sorrit, Emur, Galain (duh), and Silchas (me). You can crucify me all you want for it, but the case was bad. You can also argue that it's better to get a lynch than no lynch, and I argue that a terrible lynch is an absolute waste. So cry more.
  • It's VERY easy as a member of the scum to no lynch and sew confusion (which apparently is the crux of the argument today), but it's also easy to 'vote for a lynch' at the end of the day.
  • Three people fit the profile for #3 -- Hood's Path, Anomandaris and Olar Ethil. Olar was pretty suspicious yesterday, but I find his vote the least suspicious of the three. HP's vote is BY FAR the most suspicious. The "Fuck It, I have to vote for someone so I guess I vote for the guy already with a lot of votes" is such a bad excuse. Ano kind of goofed around yesterday with his memespeak and then got srs when crunch time showed up.

Stuff I'm guessing
  • It's almost guaranteed that all scum aren't on the same train IF THERE ARE THREE SCUM. So one of Galain, Sorrit, or myself is, in all likelihood, scum. It's not me and I'm pretty confident it's not Galain. So Sorrit's the default. If there are two scum, this theory is highly unlikely.
  • It IS guaranteed that at least one scum is on Galain's train. So you absolutely have to lynch one of Atrahal, D'riss, Kesso, HP, Ano, or Olar. Atrahal made the case, Kesso had the best vote. D'riss is still suspcious, but I think the HP and Ano votes need the most attention.
  • Ergo, IMO, we vote for HP or Ano.


Emur would've been an absolutely shitty choice for the killers to try and kill last night, why on earth would you claim the reverse? Killing content-less, un-discussed low-posters is not good planning by scum.

But it's so good of you to further muddy things up by only token-mentioning Emur early as a good kill choice, implying inno, and then in your action-oriented section bringing up everyone except for Emur. Hmm, lying about Emur's inno-importance and keeping attention off of him in one post?

Vote Emurlahnis

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 05:35 PM

Oh so the new theory is that I'm Emur's symp? Amusing.

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 05:38 PM

And killing low content players is a fabulous move if you want to let the EXISTING confusion stay on thread. In other words, if the existing situation benefits you, why disturb it? Let the people bicker, kill a low poster, and then let them go back to lynching the wrong guy again the next day.

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 05:40 PM

Considering the approaching modkills we were liable to have, they most definitely would not have tried for the 3rd-lowest poster. Besides, you had already adopted your "if I was scum I'd have voted him off" line of reasoning and hence they would not have wasted on a low-poster over someone with a half-succint argument for PI.

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 05:41 PM

View PostAnomandaris, on 19 August 2010 - 05:25 PM, said:

View PostEmurlahnis, on 19 August 2010 - 04:51 PM, said:

Sorry guys I don't really have time to make a case.

But amid all of the hub bub about HP I feel that we have forgotten about Anomandaris. He has been sliding through the game with barely a ripple.


Vote Anomandaris


Hi guys, I have a little time to make a case.

Amid all of Emur's hub bub about me I feel that he's forgotten about himself. He has been sliding through the game with no ripple at all. That's mighty easy when you have 8 posts and only show up for a quarter of a second at a time before immediately running off.



View PostSilchas Ruin, on 19 August 2010 - 04:58 PM, said:

OK, stuff we know (also there's a typo in Ano being left in the vote for Olar and Olar's vote being left on Galain)
  • There's a guard or a healer in the game. Healer is more likely. A Healer would have been very smart to heal someone like Emur or me last night since we were good kill targets (I'm no longer a good kill target because i'm lynchable).
  • 5 people thought the Galain case was garbage: Olar, Sorrit, Emur, Galain (duh), and Silchas (me). You can crucify me all you want for it, but the case was bad. You can also argue that it's better to get a lynch than no lynch, and I argue that a terrible lynch is an absolute waste. So cry more.
  • It's VERY easy as a member of the scum to no lynch and sew confusion (which apparently is the crux of the argument today), but it's also easy to 'vote for a lynch' at the end of the day.
  • Three people fit the profile for #3 -- Hood's Path, Anomandaris and Olar Ethil. Olar was pretty suspicious yesterday, but I find his vote the least suspicious of the three. HP's vote is BY FAR the most suspicious. The "Fuck It, I have to vote for someone so I guess I vote for the guy already with a lot of votes" is such a bad excuse. Ano kind of goofed around yesterday with his memespeak and then got srs when crunch time showed up.

Stuff I'm guessing
  • It's almost guaranteed that all scum aren't on the same train IF THERE ARE THREE SCUM. So one of Galain, Sorrit, or myself is, in all likelihood, scum. It's not me and I'm pretty confident it's not Galain. So Sorrit's the default. If there are two scum, this theory is highly unlikely.
  • It IS guaranteed that at least one scum is on Galain's train. So you absolutely have to lynch one of Atrahal, D'riss, Kesso, HP, Ano, or Olar. Atrahal made the case, Kesso had the best vote. D'riss is still suspcious, but I think the HP and Ano votes need the most attention.
  • Ergo, IMO, we vote for HP or Ano.


Emur would've been an absolutely shitty choice for the killers to try and kill last night, why on earth would you claim the reverse? Killing content-less, un-discussed low-posters is not good planning by scum.

But it's so good of you to further muddy things up by only token-mentioning Emur early as a good kill choice, implying inno, and then in your action-oriented section bringing up everyone except for Emur. Hmm, lying about Emur's inno-importance and keeping attention off of him in one post?

Vote Emurlahnis


OMGUS

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 05:42 PM

View PostD, on 19 August 2010 - 04:59 PM, said:

View PostEmurlahnis, on 19 August 2010 - 04:51 PM, said:

Sorry guys I don't really have time to make a case.

But amid all of the hub bub about HP I feel that we have forgotten about Anomandaris. He has been sliding through the game with barely a ripple.


Vote Anomandaris



You do realise you're in the same spotlight as Ano in quite a few of the people around here, right?


Doesn't bother me as I am just a low postering inno.

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 05:47 PM

Also Anoman nice of you to get on once someone voted for you. Lurking much.


Edited for grammer.

This post has been edited by Emurlahnis: 19 August 2010 - 05:48 PM


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Posted 19 August 2010 - 05:55 PM

View PostEmurlahnis, on 19 August 2010 - 04:51 PM, said:

Sorry guys I don't really have time to make a case.

But amid all of the hub bub about HP I feel that we have forgotten about Anomandaris. He has been sliding through the game with barely a ripple.


Vote Anomandaris


You don't have time to make a case but you have time to show up and interrogate Ano's return vote?

And it's 'grammar,' you nitwit.

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 05:55 PM

Nice of you to get on at all Emur. And I'm sooooo sure you wouldn't have just left that single post from half an hour ago and not posted anything else if we didn't call you on it, right?

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 05:58 PM

If anything, you're BOTH lurking.

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 08:47 PM

Vote Hood's Path

Basically because his vote is the most suspect IMO, but Anomandaris is still "on the table" as far as my vote is concerned.

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 09:17 PM

View PostSorrit, on 19 August 2010 - 02:28 PM, said:

View PostGalain, on 19 August 2010 - 01:58 PM, said:

Gah, I had a whole post typed up about how we need to lynch the person who is going to give us the most info, but my phone went and ate it :) I understand that to everyone else this will probably be me, although I can say now my CF isn't going to prove or disprove anything, since it hasn't helped me make any sense of what is going on.

I've said before, I really don't think that scum would be voting on opposite sides of a train on day one. If scum was defending me then I agree with kesso about who it would be. If scum was pushing my case then I'm not sure.




I would think scum would be pushing your lynch, would have been rather easy with HP, Atrahal and kessoh all gunning for me and in turn making you look bad...too easy to pass up.

But Ive been thinking for a while now that maybe i got such heat for that second vote because HP is actually the killer.
Think about it. Was what i did REALLY that bad?....no not really there are lots of posts that could be considered symp clues to their masters.
But why go so heavy handed for me me?...atrahal made a few rather large posts and seemed really convinced about them before i even started responding and getting into pissing matches.
I would think that a symp (probably atrahal) would lay it on so thick because he was trying to perhaps signal his master HP?

HP has played super slick so far and fits the mould perfectly for a killer. He would push the case on me and twist my meanings but not get overly aggressive and then disappear while the others like atrahal and kessoh would take over the pissing match with myself.

Of course i have been thinking this for a while now but i mean there really isnt much of a case to make on HP other than his smooth and what i perceive as a killer style of play.
I could easily see kessoh being his partner and atrahal being a symp who purposefully made a big deal out of what i did to signal his boss.

Regardless of all of that, HP is really the one player thats style and tone of posts smacks of a killer scum.
He even uhmm'd and aaah'd about voting you wich looked a little fake to me.
He was always going to vote for you and side with his team mates but didnt want to be too quick about it....thats what it looked like to me anyways.
I wanted some more from him today before i brought all this up....but im leaving soon and i thought it should bring it up for discussion before i go.

well thats my favorite theory so far but its very hard to get anyone to believe anything i say being the resident symp suspect. and all....meh


edit - added galains quote because of xpost


So, what you're saying, is that what you did wasn't all that bad, so therefore I must be scum for picking it up and talking about it - on day one, no less - and because my playstyle is so whisper-smooth I therefore absolutely cannot be innocent because innos are really crap at playing clean? C'mon, dude, you're practically playing an OMGUS card here, albeit a day late, happily now that you're off the chopping block.
As for voting Galain, perhaps the reason I didn't instantly go there is because I wanted to, as I had voted, lynch you instead of Galain, and then switched votes just before I went to bed so that we could get a lynch, which CERTAIN OTHER PEOPLE interfered with?

What I find hilarious about all this, in a dry sarcasm kind of sense, is how you and Galain have now managed to shrug off most of the presure. Does no one else look at Galain's lynch and go 'It was derailed, so we didn't get a lynch'? It was blatantly blocked by one person in particular, but now you're doing a fucking good job of diverting people for someone who 'has trouble getting anyone to believe him', to paraphrase you.

View PostOlar Ethil, on 19 August 2010 - 04:00 PM, said:

Caught up.

I also don't think Galain is scum... but voted him anyway. At this point, I think we need to take the conversation in another direction. Let's get away from Sorrit shitting up the thread arguing the same thing over and over. It's making him look very sympish, even though I believe it's not the case. Sorrit tried a gambit, it didn't work and away we go. we've fixated and we need to get away from that. Either vote Galain or don't, but let's take a look around at others.

I do believe the Sorrit idea that HP, symped by Atrahal, is the best most convincing thing so far. He has played a smooth game and does fit the killer playstyle. I also still believe D'riss looks scummy as well still. But since he came on thread all blustery and indignant, people have turned in another direction. That's fine. We can get back to catching him later. I am going to go back and take a look at the early days and see if I can't find some interaction early in the game. but for now:

vote Hood's Path

I'm sure he'll come on all upset and say "What am I supposed to defend against" but w/e.


We've fixated, yes. And why is that? Oh yeah, because we failed to fucking lynch yesterday, EXACTLY how everyone, myself included, said it would go down. And you picked my response perfectly, bro: what the fuck AM I supposed to defend against here? I play well? Sucks to be me, don't it? *facepalm*

View PostOlar Ethil, on 19 August 2010 - 04:45 PM, said:

Then Filler...

View PostHood, on 18 August 2010 - 02:25 AM, said:

View PostGalain, on 17 August 2010 - 10:23 AM, said:

I can has post? Don't worry lolcat, I will keep you alive! Also,

vote HP

For voting.


Myabe Olar was symping Galain! OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG.

>.>



more filler

View PostHood, on 18 August 2010 - 03:30 AM, said:

Don't worry about the missing people until they turn up an hour from modkill, make a post and disappear. Remember - strictly enforced modkill this game. :D



More filler...

View PostHood, on 18 August 2010 - 03:48 AM, said:

Nope. We're all 'sperienced to some level or another. Unless Bent counts for not having played in ages. :p


Defensiveness....

View PostHood, on 18 August 2010 - 03:50 AM, said:

View PostSilchas Ruin, on 18 August 2010 - 03:47 AM, said:

View PostGalain, on 17 August 2010 - 11:37 AM, said:

View PostHood, on 17 August 2010 - 10:50 AM, said:

Awww yeah.

Well, you guys keep up the good work. I can apparently fuck and vote, so I'm assuming I can three-way and sleep at the same time. See you all in the morning, bright and early...


But we would you want to? Is our three-way that boring that you are going to sleep through it?


Honestly, I find the above to be the most suspicious thing in the game so far. We talk about sexytime frequently around here but three-way is a pretty big word to throw out in a game where it's not clear from the setup who the bad guys are. If HP were, for example, a symp, it may be a good clue that he knows of 2 scum masters. The Galain response could be signalling, but it would indicate that if he's the master, he has foolishly given himself away for no reason.

So if HP is scummy, I would be very stunned if Galain were, as well.



Do you have a hard-on for me or something, Silchas? Seriously, what the fuck else do I call sleeping + voting + fucking?




filler

View PostHood, on 18 August 2010 - 03:57 AM, said:

You're allowed opinions, of course. I'm curious as to where the hell they come from, sometimes, but even so, you seem to have focused a lot of talk around me today, that's all. No need to get uppity, PEON.



And one more wishy washy quote all in succession. (underlined is mine) Phrases like "Honestly" " On the other hand" "But at the same time" 'Alternatively" All scream of Ffence sitting.

View PostHood, on 18 August 2010 - 08:29 AM, said:

Hrm, action, votes, discussion! Oh the glory of it all.

I honestly think that the case against D'riss is quite worthy, and it's got a bit of momentum now with the time left. But at the same time...laying a trap, Sorrit? That's an interesting play on day one - though I appreciate your position of trying to cover your actions and then people calling you on it later - and something that's highly likely to be either a scum tactic when they get called on something, or a rather pointless inno play, isn't it? I mean, what are you going to bring out: people who jump on a day one train. Wooo, like that's not going to get some bites. Alternatively, you're going to get jumped on for ass-covering and follow-up votes (basically what you were hoping to catch other people on) and then claim you were laying a trap to get out of your train-pushing. Bad play, Sorrit.


Maybe I am clutching at straws here, he does go on to have a rather large post where he bitches out Sorrit and votes him, but thats when everyone else was bitching out sorrit as well, so not much of a leap there.

I am not sold on the idea that Atrahal is his symp... it very well could be Galain. With Galain's "Joke vote" towards HP 5-6 posts in, coupled with Galain's constant references to his Inno CF ( JA did this all the time as a symp)

I am happy with my vote on HP


Actually, a couple of those filler posts were quite useful. Like pointing out that hunting down low-posters early day one was pointless with a hard modkill timer, when we could just go after them if they conveniently slid back into play before time was up.

As for wishy-washy, I actually called another player's play BAD. Other than that, how the fuck else am I supposed to convey I have multiple options I'm open to?

I mean, really, what you're saying is that I haven't made any posts where I really throw myself out there, and yet that same case can apply to half a dozen others, who also don't have my posts against Sorrit to their name. So I honestly don't see what the case is here.


That all being said, I want to get rid of this Galain nonsense. By which I mean I don't want to give him a free pass for the rest of the game because one or two people failed to hop on his train to get us the lynch.

Vote Galain



Also, I love Silchas' last post...my vote is the most suspect? Wtf?

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 10:09 PM

I already explained why the vote was suspect. Go read up.

Also, your Galain vote is pretty hard to decipher. You're voting him to not give him a free pass? So... if he's town, you are OK lynching him off and potentially going to D-Day? There's not a lick of indication that you think Galain is scum, you just don't want a distraction.

Top it off with the fact that you show up and vote after I vote for you (to try and build momentum elsewhere?). Of course, it may make more sense for a scumbody to vote for Ano or Emur and add to the votes rather than start a new vote, but maybe one of them is your partner?

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 10:16 PM

I'm changing my thinking here as I look at the thread. I am having trouble justifying SR's behavior, and seeing it in a scum light. My main reason for thinking that SR isn't scum is that I can see no reason for him to come on thread, state he doesn't think Galain is scum, vote D'riss and stick around till lynch time. If he was scum why would he do that and make himself look so much worse. All he would have to do is lurk and shut the hell up. More likely he was inno that didn't have anything to hide and didn't think Galain was scum. Do I agree with his decision? No. But thats spilt milk. I just have a hard time believing that scum would put themselves out there like that.

On another point. It's not as much of a derail as it looks like. 12 people in the game. 7 for lynch. 2 of those people were inno's not playing. so really we needed 7 out of ten people to get a lynch. We had 6. Silchas says that he doesn't think 2 scum would be on a train, but seeing as we had 60% of the remaining players on that train, the idea of 2 scum on the galain train isn't that far fetched.

So for me, at this point I have:

People I find unlikely to be scum: Me, SR

People I have no/little read on: Emur, Anno, Sorrit, Atrahal, Kesso ( there is likely a scum in this group, but need more info),

People who are giving me scum vibe: HP, D'riss(I'll never forgive that opening post!) Galain (more likely symp than killer)


Until we get a lynch and a NK we are really just grasping at straws here. So at this point I would be willing to vote for anyone of HP, D'riss or Galain.



I am out for a while playing games.
I can check in briefly tonight but will be gone around lynch time.

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