[Grief]

When you say the D-day option, do you mean saving the double lynch for then? Ideally, I think we'd double lynch tommorow, to have the most information possible going into day 3. However, whether that's actually a good option or not just depends on how the game plays out.

Anywway, my thoughts so far:

alt: Some pretty reasonable speculation. Sensible/cautious approach. His contributions are pretty safe, resulting in him being a bit under the radar. I'd like to hear his opinion on PB defending him.

dktorode: Only around very early, so not much of a read. Only slightly notable thing is post #11.

Edrigan: Attacks alt because he thinks alt deliberately misses out the option of going 4v2. Draws heat from PB, even after editting that he misread Alts post, for his belief that a 3v2 is riskier than a 4v2 day three

Grief: Far too much time on his hands.

HMQB: Not much contribution. Bit inconsistent-agrees it doesn't matter which day we lynch twice, but finds one scenario riskier than the other(which we can't tell just by looking at the numbers).

Mentalist: No contribution. Drew a meta vote from venge.

PB: Attacks Edrigan in post #65, for supporting a 4v2 day three. Supports with some faulty reasoning. What's most interesting to me is that Edrigan wasn't really saying anything new. I'd mentioned the possibility of a 4v2 day three. Alt also mentioned it(quoted in the post PB quotes when voting Edrigan, actually) however PB jumps on Edrigan for it, like it's a terrible idea. Seems defensive of Alt to me, which I don't like. Pretty happy with my vote on him.

Silencer: Not much to go on. Bit of chat with PB. Comments about Venge fear-mongering. Doesn't get involved in multi-lynch discussion, or anything else. Seems under the radar.

The Dude: Joke vote on PB earlier. Multi-lynch speculation. Pretty safe/common sense. Nothing else really.

Vengeance: Meta vote on ment. Post about multi-lynch, not wanting to lynch on day one without good candidates. Pretty safe/common sense. Gets called fear-mongering by Silencer, for his line about bad lynches and killers running the game. Just seems common sense/stating the obvious to me.

At this stage, most seem to be playing safely. PB stands out as most suspect in my mind, and this is aided by the fact that most everyone else has stuck to safe ground.

Edit:

I'm off now. I'm not sure if I'll make it back for the end of the day. My vote wasn't counted earlier due to lack of seriousness. I now do wish to vote PB, so would like to change my vote to a serious vote, so to clarify:

Remove Vote
Seriously Vote PB

Night all.

This post has been edited by Grief: 13 July 2010 - 03:44 AM

[D'rek]

It is Day 1. 8 hours, 36 minutes remaining.

6 votes to lynch, 5 to go to night.

1 vote Mentalist (Vengeance)
1 vote PB (Grief)

[Mentalist]

Grief, on 12 July 2010 - 09:42 PM, said:

Vengeance, on 12 July 2010 - 08:40 PM, said:

My reasoning is thus. He is Mental thus scum who should be lynched.

Vote Mentalist

If we lynch him before he can speak, he doesn't get to go "I told you so" in spoilers either.

This is definetely worth considering.

oh please, you'd better not!
I'm thinking someone among those who has made evil suggestions based on my ever-absent nature should be totally ashamed of themselves. Also, one of Dude and Vengy must be evil. Vengy because he suggests i'm meta-scum, and the Dude, because we all know he's evil incarnate and the only reason he's not voting me off is because he has long since submitted his kill order on me to the mods

seriously though, I am unsure which one of the two is more scummier atm.

[Mentalist]

oh great, now that can post, no one's around.

[D'rek]

This mod is off to bed but will be back just about precisely at the end of day. See ya then!

[Peanutbutta]

Well Grief for a guy who's spent the last several posts over analyzing what people are saying, you're spending a lot of time offering analysis and not nearly as much offering solutions. It's pretty easy to jump the chatty person because they have the most to view.

I'm not worried about being lynched; if that's my path in the game, so be it, but you would be much better served lynching someone who is being sneaky than someone who is being vocal today, especially since it's been all-but-determined that we're going to have a double lynch tomorrow.

Right now, the 'case' on Edrigan isn't very good, but I think I could argue a reasonable case of votes so far... we've had two people soft-vote me, as if feeling out if I'm a good candidate for a lynch. That, to me, strikes of careful play. Which means it's almost guaranteed that either one or both of The Dude or Grief are town. In other words, if one is scum, the other is unlikely to be so, and neither is really a good lynch candidate for today, but both are very good candidates tomorrow (if we're looking at a situation of lynching two people that are opposites in terms of suspicion to avoid accidentally double-lynching town for false suspicions).

So really, if you argue that Grief and Dude are bad lynches today, that I'm a bad lynch today (and I think all three of those are good points), then you have to argue that one of the other 7 is a good lynch. I almost want to throw out Ment as a valid target today for people all doing the same thing with him that they did with me... jokingly offering him for a lynch just to see what happens.

As of now, I want to either vote out Vengey or Ed. Vengey for earlier (as I mentioned in accord with Silencer), or Ed for my current vote and logic.

[Peanutbutta]

And just to clarify, because I'm kind of tired and rereading that above is kind of odd, my theory about 'careful' play is that town are far more likely to throw out careful votes than scum on day 1. Thus, people who discuss voting in more detail early in the game are more likely to be town. Just IMO.

[Peanutbutta]

Vengeance, on 12 July 2010 - 06:25 PM, said:

Ok I am caught up. I am against lynching mulipules on day one unless we have really good suspects. The simple reason is that we have a small pool of players and eliminating several of them on day one could negatively impact the town. The biggest problem is that we won't know if a lynch is a good lynch till the end of the day. If there are paired killers in the game then a couple of lynches well directed and the killers could run the game.

And the more I read this, the less I like it. It just brings up ominous paranoia. I don't know of any reason town adds to the spook factor, especially with an early post that has no numbers behind it. You could argue why it's better to vote a certain way, but the 'doom and gloom' aspect of 'paired killing running the game' (paraphrased) is just a weak effort for a first post, IMO.

Nothing personal, and I really dislike second guessing myself and changing votes but I just don't like this post at all.

Remove Vote
Vote Vengeance

[Silencer]

@Grief - so, I'm just doing what I normally do?

Anyway, we're at an interesting point now. Half the people are asleep, and have no vote down, with...6 hours to go. It would be ironic if we have no lynch on day one of a game where multiple lynches are possible. XD

I'll be on and fishing around people's posts for another two or three hours, then I'm out and will hopefully have someone to vote for.

[Peanutbutta]

Goin to bed myself here... exhausted.

[Peanutbutta]

And FWIW we really need a lynch, even if you are dumb and lynch me.

[alt146]

I suppose PB's actions could be seen as defending me, have no idea why he would be doing that though. Unless he's trying to fake-symp me, which is dangerous play since there aren't any actual symps.

No-one really jumps out at me at this point - PB and Grief are the most active, but that doesnt necessarily equate to scum. Ed's attack of me seemed a little 'go for anyone who looks easy', which is typical of scum play; up to the point that he clarified he was mistaken. Maybe going for an easy lynch, then covering his back when he realised he'd messed up?

[dktorode]

Alright caught up

alt146, on 12 July 2010 - 03:45 PM, said:

Yay, the game has started. I should be able to contribute properly in a couple of hours, have some stuff to sort out at the moment.

Only getting the CF at the end of the day makes more than one lynch per day very risky, I think it should be reserved for a D-Day+.5 type situation.

The Dude, on 12 July 2010 - 04:52 PM, said:

In a game with 20 people I can see the merits of voting multiple people before a CF.. but with only 10... if we do it on day 1 we are eliminating 20% of the player base before we even get a CF, then throw in a NK ( and assuming paired killers,, there will be a NK) and we have lost 30% of the players before we even get a CF... sounds risky to me especially on day 1.

Vengeance, on 12 July 2010 - 06:25 PM, said:

Ok I am caught up. I am against lynching mulipules on day one unless we have really good suspects. The simple reason is that we have a small pool of players and eliminating several of them on day one could negatively impact the town. The biggest problem is that we won't know if a lynch is a good lynch till the end of the day. If there are paired killers in the game then a couple of lynches well directed and the killers could run the game.

Edrigan, on 12 July 2010 - 08:03 PM, said:

I'm finally home, been driving through out the day to get back -

My entire body is in pain, sports + waggers vs decent athletes didnt work as well as I hoped, especially when I'm a smoker, and I've neglected excercising regularly, my stamina isnt on par. Perhaps age is catching up to me as well.

Onwards to the game, Dreks words about a short one could be Paired Killers + silly multilynches on day one. Granted I don't know if its a good idea to use it on day 1, we can still kill both birds (if its 2 killers we're talking about) in the same day - so its a double edged sword.

Will be around for a little while, as long as I can stay awake , granted I do have stuff to do early tomorrow- and after returning from a 'supposely' relaxing 3day escape , I'm more tired than I was before I left :S

These 4 are sticking out to me. Now i understand there are some cautious moffo's...but...
It seems to me that these are the ones that rather scared of us all agreeing on using more than one lynch a day.
Sure some of them are preaching "caution" on day "one" etc.

Bollox i say!!

Inno's should not be that scared to die for the greater good! Caution?....on day one?...interesting.
There must be a reason we where given this ability, especially with so few players.
Its something we should be looking to use to our advantage.
Im fairly confident that at least one of these 4 are scum 'naysayers' trying to make us not use our one advantage at every turn.

All the killers can do is kill....AT NIGHT...we take away this from them as much as we can and we should win this.
Scum would definitely be the ones sewing caution into our minds with regards to using this ability.
They simply would not want us to use it as much. As it robs them of kills of their own.

I could easily agree to vote all of these guys off right now...but alas no one ever listens to my day one ravings no matter how right they turn out to be.

Now... another thing... i think we should lynch someone that looks scummy and be done with it.
We cant sit here for a whole day arguing about "we should use this" and "we must use that only then"
Its a just a waste of time and this will get discussed for as long as possible if the scum had any say in it.
Simply because we are not actually looking for them.
We see something scummy we vote and we lynch and we start again...hopefully before night comes around.
If we continue to fall into the trap of discussing what we want to do instead of DOING what we want to do there will be no lynch today...and we will be lucky to get even one lynch tomorrow.

Ahem....
sorry have not had my coffee yet and im ranting a bit.

looking at my 4 suspects i think i will vote
Vengeance

He should've fucking known fukcin better.
Strange that he would play the "cautious" card to me.

[dktorode]

Peanutbutta, on 13 July 2010 - 04:57 AM, said:

And just to clarify, because I'm kind of tired and rereading that above is kind of odd, my theory about 'careful' play is that town are far more likely to throw out careful votes than scum on day 1. Thus, people who discuss voting in more detail early in the game are more likely to be town. Just IMO.

rubbish...depends entirely on the player.



IMO

[dktorode]

Peanutbutta, on 13 July 2010 - 06:46 AM, said:

And FWIW we really need a lynch, even if you are dumb and lynch me.

....sigh

Ive been agreeing with everything you have said right until this page.
I really hope its just you being tired but statements like this really do ring bells for me.
Why dont you just self vote?....nearly the same thing what you are portraying here.
Cept a self vote definitely gets you lynched these days so scum gotto be more inventive with their inno act....meh

[dktorode]

well since im alone i think ill get some work done....or something.

[alt146]

@ DKT - If this game had more than 10 people in, I'd be a lot less hesitant to lynch twice in the day. We have a track record of going off in completely the wrong direction early game and I can see that going even worse with two lynches. Not knowing the CFs until day ends makes the mechanic a bit of a double edged sword, so we should be careful not to cut ourselves with it. The biggest advantage it gives us is manipulating the numbers so we go into the final day with 5 people rather than 6, with the increased info and narrower suspect pool that gives us. Or at least that is my opinion.

[dktorode]

alt146, on 13 July 2010 - 09:09 AM, said:

@ DKT - If this game had more than 10 people in, I'd be a lot less hesitant to lynch twice in the day. We have a track record of going off in completely the wrong direction early game and I can see that going even worse with two lynches. Not knowing the CFs until day ends makes the mechanic a bit of a double edged sword, so we should be careful not to cut ourselves with it. The biggest advantage it gives us is manipulating the numbers so we go into the final day with 5 people rather than 6, with the increased info and narrower suspect pool that gives us. Or at least that is my opinion.

Im not going to be roped into yet another long back and forth discussion on this thread about the merits of lynching 2 people today. The pro's and cons have been stated more than once on the thread already.
I for one, am simply going to go with the ebb and flow of the game...and if i find one or two or three people that are scummy i will push all their lynches for that same day, at least while its still reasonably safe to do so...the more we wait the less chances we can take...the less we will actually use this ability.
thats the real gist of it. imho

My point was that i think it would be more likely that scum would be the ones not wanting us to use this ability early on and would have come out immediately with a knee jerk reaction with regards to us using it today and try and make us doubt our selfs at every turn.
Much like yourself, venge, Edrigan and The Dude have.
And it also would be scum who would want to draw out this debate for as long as possible.

[dktorode]

I think im going to have to change my avatar for this game......bit distracting

[Silencer]

I'm seriously having doubts as to whether we'll get a lynch - unless Grief makes it back on and changes to Vengeance (as I highly doubt PB will vote for himself, even if he is online for timeout), and even if I vote for Vengeance before I go to bed, we'd still be L-2. Who else is likely to be on for day's end?

At this point in time, I can't see a vote going anywhere but Vengy, unless you switch up, dkt. Come out very strong all of sudden, ain't ya?