[hmqb]

Silencer, on 13 July 2010 - 10:11 AM, said:

Lol, nice one. And yeah, you're normally a vocal bastard dkt, I admit.

I seriously doubt we will get two lynches today. Especially as I'm out before day ends (about 2 hours now, I believe, maybe 3) and I have no idea when the yanks/brits get on, but it's probably going to be (perhaps conveniently for some) after day times. One lynch we can manage, but the question of who still remains.

Voting for the sake of a lynch is what normally screws us over, I admit, but a lynch is still a lynch, and gives info no matter the reasons (even if it's info that x, y and z were all willing to vote to get a lynch just for the sake of a lynch ) and I think we can usually play from there on out. PB isn't really on my scope for lynching at this stage - he's said stuff that rings out as being distancing/symping (in the sense of setting people up for a fall), but he's generally made sense. But it's the sort of thing I'd rather follow up at a later stage rather than day one.

I guess I'm just conscious of the fact at the moment that if I participate in a Vengy lynch, then I brought his suspicious post up, and didn't vote immediately - it's a fairly typical scenario which often results in the player in my shoes getting lynched for jumping on the train later, even though I technically 'started' it, and something that I try to avoid at all times. But hey, if a man can't take a bit of heat, right? XD

Im thinking its weird that you say this then come back and do it a few posts later rather then in that post.
Also it seems like your trying really hard to justify your all posts, like covering your steps. You could just be really careful Towny but, I've Got My eye on you.
But I do agree and feel like we have to lynch someone, and this seems like our only likely candidate.

Vote Vengeance

[dktorode]

High Mage Quick Ben, on 13 July 2010 - 11:55 AM, said:

Silencer, on 13 July 2010 - 10:11 AM, said:

Lol, nice one. And yeah, you're normally a vocal bastard dkt, I admit.

I seriously doubt we will get two lynches today. Especially as I'm out before day ends (about 2 hours now, I believe, maybe 3) and I have no idea when the yanks/brits get on, but it's probably going to be (perhaps conveniently for some) after day times. One lynch we can manage, but the question of who still remains.

Voting for the sake of a lynch is what normally screws us over, I admit, but a lynch is still a lynch, and gives info no matter the reasons (even if it's info that x, y and z were all willing to vote to get a lynch just for the sake of a lynch ) and I think we can usually play from there on out. PB isn't really on my scope for lynching at this stage - he's said stuff that rings out as being distancing/symping (in the sense of setting people up for a fall), but he's generally made sense. But it's the sort of thing I'd rather follow up at a later stage rather than day one.

I guess I'm just conscious of the fact at the moment that if I participate in a Vengy lynch, then I brought his suspicious post up, and didn't vote immediately - it's a fairly typical scenario which often results in the player in my shoes getting lynched for jumping on the train later, even though I technically 'started' it, and something that I try to avoid at all times. But hey, if a man can't take a bit of heat, right? XD

Im thinking its weird that you say this then come back and do it a few posts later rather then in that post.
Also it seems like your trying really hard to justify your all posts, like covering your steps. You could just be really careful Towny but, I've Got My eye on you.
But I do agree and feel like we have to lynch someone, and this seems like our only likely candidate.

Vote Vengeance

So you are voting just to get a lynch then?

[hmqb]

Not just for a lynch, I just thought it Redundant to bring up the tiny bit of evidence we have. So mostly for a lynch, but I think theirs a good chance hes scum.

[dktorode]

aaah ok...just seemed like you didn't agree with him, yet you voted with him...found it a bit...odd

[Grief]

dktorode, on 13 July 2010 - 11:50 AM, said:

Grief, on 13 July 2010 - 11:44 AM, said:

I also fail to see how DKs philospophy of throwing caution to the wind is much better than people wanting to be cautious.

clearly...

let me try again.

As a killer, would you want the inno's to lynch without you getting a chance to put in a kill in between the lynches?

If it meant they were making bad lynches, then yes.

We could've lynched randomly at the beginning of this match, until the game was over. There would have been no kills. Would that have been smart? No.

[Grief]

Anyway, I'm going to:

Vote Vengeance

I don't think he's scum, but need a lynch.

[hmqb]

dktorode, on 13 July 2010 - 12:03 PM, said:

aaah ok...just seemed like you didn't agree with him, yet you voted with him...found it a bit...odd

I thought it was suspicious, but I did agree with him.

[hmqb]

Grief, on 13 July 2010 - 12:03 PM, said:

dktorode, on 13 July 2010 - 11:50 AM, said:

Grief, on 13 July 2010 - 11:44 AM, said:

I also fail to see how DKs philospophy of throwing caution to the wind is much better than people wanting to be cautious.

clearly...

let me try again.

As a killer, would you want the inno's to lynch without you getting a chance to put in a kill in between the lynches?

If it meant they were making bad lynches, then yes.

We could've lynched randomly at the beginning of this match, until the game was over. There would have been no kills. Would that have been smart? No.

wait, wouldn't scum vote for multi lynches? And just try and rig the multiple lynches to kill 2-3 inno's the kill one and have a huge lead?

[Tapper]

It is Day 1. 27 minutes remaining, if my counting isn't off.

6 votes to lynch, 5 to go to night.

1 vote Mentalist (Vengeance)
5 votes Vengeance (Silencer, PB, Dkt, HMQB, Grief)

This post has been edited by Tapper: 13 July 2010 - 12:14 PM

[dktorode]

Grief, on 13 July 2010 - 12:03 PM, said:

dktorode, on 13 July 2010 - 11:50 AM, said:

Grief, on 13 July 2010 - 11:44 AM, said:

I also fail to see how DKs philospophy of throwing caution to the wind is much better than people wanting to be cautious.

clearly...

let me try again.

As a killer, would you want the inno's to lynch without you getting a chance to put in a kill in between the lynches?

If it meant they were making bad lynches, then yes.

We could've lynched randomly at the beginning of this match, until the game was over. There would have been no kills. Would that have been smart? No.

But the killers had no way of knowing if we will make bad lynches at the beginning of the day...
To be safe, in my opinion, they would try and tell the thread be cautious and not use multi lynch often.
Hence my list of possible suspects.

Sure, one or two could be inno cautious types. But im willing to bet the killers would rather have that opinion be prevalent on thread and run the kills themselves at night, rather than leave it to chance and hope they dont get fingered and lynched in the day simply because we dont care and we can lynch more than once if we see fit.

Having only one lynch a day is great for scum because you can split the votes and stall a lynch.
Now we can simply lynch the one then the other on short order. Stands to reason the scum would try and make us nervous to use it.

I do however fond it strange that you where all for using the multi kills and even argued with Alt over the point, but at the same time you are now not seeing the logic in what im saying?

[alt146]

What is the vote-count at?

@Edrigan - I have literally spent days arguing with DK, all that happens is that the thread gets sucked into a morass and the scum get to sit back while the innos get sucked into the pissing contest. I don't think his approach is the best, but we'd be arguing symantics and personal playstyle, which really doesnt get us closer to finding scum.

I'm not convinced by the Vengey train, but with 15-20 minutes left I dont see there being any other options.

[Edrigan]

High Mage Quick Ben, on 13 July 2010 - 12:01 PM, said:

Not just for a lynch, I just thought it Redundant to bring up the tiny bit of evidence we have. So mostly for a lynch, but I think theirs a good chance hes scum.

I don't like this at all, to be honest.
Going with the flow? Why not mention other names as well, that ping your radar?
There should be more into it, than simply jumping on a bandwagon of the one that looks like he's gonna get lynched.
You could at least offer a number of suspects, and give us some insight as to why they ping your radar... Before you drop a vote on Vengeance saying that you would feel comfortable voting someone else as well, but for the sake of lynching you go with this.

[dktorode]

High Mage Quick Ben, on 13 July 2010 - 12:12 PM, said:

Grief, on 13 July 2010 - 12:03 PM, said:

dktorode, on 13 July 2010 - 11:50 AM, said:

Grief, on 13 July 2010 - 11:44 AM, said:

I also fail to see how DKs philospophy of throwing caution to the wind is much better than people wanting to be cautious.

clearly...

let me try again.

As a killer, would you want the inno's to lynch without you getting a chance to put in a kill in between the lynches?

If it meant they were making bad lynches, then yes.

We could've lynched randomly at the beginning of this match, until the game was over. There would have been no kills. Would that have been smart? No.

wait, wouldn't scum vote for multi lynches? And just try and rig the multiple lynches to kill 2-3 inno's the kill one and have a huge lead?

In a prefect world...yes they would
But unfortunately scum dont have the numbers to ensure the lynch goes where they want it to go.
The only way we can win is by LYNCHING scum.
The less NK's we give them and the more we lynch...the better our chances of winning.

[Grief]

I opposed using it on day one, unless we had very strong suspects.

Basically, I don't think there is any need to decide before hand when to use it. You can decide that when you've got a situation it could actually be useful in.

So people posting caution and people posting no-catuion both strike me as pointless.

I can see where you're coming from. The multi-lynch is an advantage. The problem for me is the next step. I don't see why a killer would necessarily be cautious. They might not want it used, but that's not that likely-if there's a situation where it'd be useful, there's no reason not to. I can just as easily see a killer trying to get us to waste it early, as one being cautious, because I don't think it's that likely that a killer would think he had a chance of stopping it being used altogether.

There's also the fact that you attacking the cautious people is self serving. If you convince everyone that the cautious people are the scummiest, it makes you look more innocent.

[alt146]

Grief, on 13 July 2010 - 12:23 PM, said:

I opposed using it on day one, unless we had very strong suspects.

Basically, I don't think there is any need to decide before hand when to use it. You can decide that when you've got a situation it could actually be useful in.

So people posting caution and people posting no-catuion both strike me as pointless.

I can see where you're coming from. The multi-lynch is an advantage. The problem for me is the next step. I don't see why a killer would necessarily be cautious. They might not want it used, but that's not that likely-if there's a situation where it'd be useful, there's no reason not to. I can just as easily see a killer trying to get us to waste it early, as one being cautious, because I don't think it's that likely that a killer would think he had a chance of stopping it being used altogether.

There's also the fact that you attacking the cautious people is self serving. If you convince everyone that the cautious people are the scummiest, it makes you look more innocent.

Some people will want to play it safe, others will want to lynch everything in sight. Neither of those are explicitly scummy, especially at the beginning of day one when noone is on the block yet. Obviously scum will try push for multiple lynches if they aren't under pressure, or caution if one of them might get caught in a double lynch. So I think scumminess will only be apparent if people start to change their tune as to how we should be playing.

[Edrigan]

dktorode, on 13 July 2010 - 12:18 PM, said:

In a prefect world...yes they would
But unfortunately scum dont have the numbers to ensure the lynch goes where they want it to go.
The only way we can win is by LYNCHING scum.
The less NK's we give them and the more we lynch...the better our chances of winning.

But noone has our hands tied at any point - Any time we feel comfortable with multie-lynching, we should. There's no arguement with that.
Given the circumstance at this point, we wont have a multie-lynch happening TODAY.

The only reason I have been cautious with this is that we will have to have enough reasons behind it, and we'll have to agree at some point down the road.
The biggest reason why I am against deciding NOW , which day we should multie-lynch, is that we have to agree with it on thread NOW, and if we're dealing with paired killers with outside communication, they can plan their NKs or votes accordingly, in order to arrive to our pre-decided multie-lynch day with the biggest advantage in hand.

I've already agreed with this earlier on. We SHOULD multie-lynch at some point. But what we shouldn't do is allow scum to already know which day that will be, and be prepared.

[alt146]

Still no time/vote count?

Vote Vengeance

To get a lynch through, since my my watch day times out in a couple of minutes.

[Tapper]

It is Day 1. 8 minutes or so remaining.

6 votes to lynch, 5 to go to night.

1 vote Mentalist (Vengeance)
6 votes Vengeance (Silencer, PB, Dkt, HMQB, Grief, alt)

This post has been edited by Tapper: 13 July 2010 - 12:32 PM

[Tapper]

alt146, on 13 July 2010 - 12:29 PM, said:

Still no time/vote count?

Vote Vengeance

To get a lynch through, since my my watch day times out in a couple of minutes.

check 8 posts above yours... I did 3 in an hour...

[Grief]

Do we have to wait for the day to time out then?