[Peanutbutta]

Tapper, on 12 July 2010 - 05:22 PM, said:

Peanutbutta, on 12 July 2010 - 05:19 PM, said:

5 haven't checked in.

Edrigan, HMQB, Mentalist, Silencer, Vengeance

you might want to log in as an anon, PB... it won't matter to Grief or Silencer, but it will to the others

Nope. I don't want to log in anon for that very reason. I have nothing to hide

[Peanutbutta]

The Dude, on 12 July 2010 - 05:22 PM, said:

Peanutbutta, on 12 July 2010 - 05:18 PM, said:

The Dude, the mechanic probably exists for a reason. WCS, we only have 3 days to get it right (with town lynch + town NK => 10 -> 8 -> 6 DD). But if we lynch two today, even with WCS, we actually gain a little leverage over the scum (10 -> 7 -> 5DD), because we have one less guy we have to look at come D-Day (meaning our odds of getting a correct lynch go up).

I agree, but, wouldn't we be better served to utilize the multiple lynches after day 1? At least we will have some info to go on at that point.

lynch/NK-->8 lynch/lynch/NK-->5DD. I would rather have 1 day of info gathering and do a double lynch day 2 when we have gained some info rather than a day 1 shoot from the hip.

EDIT: dou--> do

I suppose that's a valid way to look at it... I do think a triple-lynch is a terrible idea, though. We could lose a whole day or be forced to not lynch tomorrow.

Well, bottom line is we need to lynch today, but do we lynch two or three?

edit: That clearly should say one or two since I just said lynching three is terrible.

This post has been edited by Peanutbutta: 12 July 2010 - 05:35 PM

[The Dude]

if we lynch 3 today, that takes us to 7.. NK puts us at 6 which means D-Day tomorrow. remember we don't get CF until the end of the day. I can't believe that lynching 3 people blindly is in our best interests.

[Grief]

I think it's better to lynch more on day one. Gives more information for the next day. This means more discssion the next day, so overall would give more information.

However, lynching based on the numbers is not a good idea.

It doesn't give information if you're just lynching someone to get up to a certain number. There still needs to be a reason for a lynch, or you can't see who is for/against it, etc.

I would say more lynches is better, but they still need to be for an actual reason. If there aren't good reasons on enough people, that's maybe unfortunate, but lynching for no reason is not a good plan.

Most important thing is just to lynch those who actually appear scummy.

[Peanutbutta]

The Dude, on 12 July 2010 - 05:34 PM, said:

if we lynch 3 today, that takes us to 7.. NK puts us at 6 which means D-Day tomorrow. remember we don't get CF until the end of the day. I can't believe that lynching 3 people blindly is in our best interests.

That was a big typo, I meant to say "one or two" because I just spent the previous paragraph talking about how terrible lynching three would be.

[The Dude]

or did you mean the we have to lynch between choosing 1 or 2 lynches today..

that last post is confusing, you state that lynching 3 is a bad idea ( i agree) and then say we have to choose between lynching 2-3 today. I am assuming that was a typo?

EDIT: X-Post with the above post. now it makes sense

This post has been edited by The Dude: 12 July 2010 - 05:38 PM

[Peanutbutta]

Grief, on 12 July 2010 - 05:34 PM, said:

I think it's better to lynch more on day one. Gives more information for the next day. This means more discssion the next day, so overall would give more information.

However, lynching based on the numbers is not a good idea.

It doesn't give information if you're just lynching someone to get up to a certain number. There still needs to be a reason for a lynch, or you can't see who is for/against it, etc.

I would say more lynches is better, but they still need to be for an actual reason. If there aren't good reasons on enough people, that's maybe unfortunate, but lynching for no reason is not a good plan.

Most important thing is just to lynch those who actually appear scummy.

But what do we do if half of the people in the game are missing? 24 hours isn't a long time for discussion if 8-12 hours of it goes by with only 5-6 people talking.

[Grief]

The Dude, on 12 July 2010 - 05:34 PM, said:

if we lynch 3 today, that takes us to 7.. NK puts us at 6 which means D-Day tomorrow. remember we don't get CF until the end of the day. I can't believe that lynching 3 people blindly is in our best interests.

I wouldn't want to lynch more than 2 today.

However, I think limiting it to only one isn't smart, if there is another person who seems scummy for seperate reasons.

Yes, only one lynch means we have a bit more information in regards to person 2(not that much though-only what is gained by a CF, and lynching people whose scumminess depends on each other is bad anyhow). However, it means we have less information to make the next days decisions regarding everyone else.

I think we should try to get as much information as we can on day one, as long as we don't risk crippling ourselves(which I think a 3 lycnh could do. D-day tommorow is too soon for my liking).

[The Dude]

Grief, on 12 July 2010 - 05:34 PM, said:

I think it's better to lynch more on day one. Gives more information for the next day. This means more discssion the next day, so overall would give more information.

However, lynching based on the numbers is not a good idea.

It doesn't give information if you're just lynching someone to get up to a certain number. There still needs to be a reason for a lynch, or you can't see who is for/against it, etc.

I would say more lynches is better, but they still need to be for an actual reason. If there aren't good reasons on enough people, that's maybe unfortunate, but lynching for no reason is not a good plan.

Most important thing is just to lynch those who actually appear scummy.

I agree to a point... but how often do we get good solid leads on day 1? How often are we just voting someone because : " OMG he signaled him with this random post!!" Day 1's are notoriously random in terms of what we have to go on. 2 lynches of that randomness, i believe will give us less to go on than if we, lynch once day 1, then take what we learn, lynch twice, and base our D-day vote off of that info. Granted, with only 10, our chances of hitting scum are greater than normal on day one.. but i'd rather use our 2 lynches out of a pool of 8 people, rather than use our 2 lynches out of a pool of 10 people.

[Grief]

Peanutbutta, on 12 July 2010 - 05:37 PM, said:

Grief, on 12 July 2010 - 05:34 PM, said:

I think it's better to lynch more on day one. Gives more information for the next day. This means more discssion the next day, so overall would give more information.

However, lynching based on the numbers is not a good idea.

It doesn't give information if you're just lynching someone to get up to a certain number. There still needs to be a reason for a lynch, or you can't see who is for/against it, etc.

I would say more lynches is better, but they still need to be for an actual reason. If there aren't good reasons on enough people, that's maybe unfortunate, but lynching for no reason is not a good plan.

Most important thing is just to lynch those who actually appear scummy.

But what do we do if half of the people in the game are missing? 24 hours isn't a long time for discussion if 8-12 hours of it goes by with only 5-6 people talking.

Low posting is often an issue.

Generally I'd say leave it day one, but with a short game, that could be risky.

Personally, i'm not against lynching a low poster, if there isn't a better case at the end of the day. I'd prefer to lynch people who actually seem like scum, but there's not much to go on day one, and it's better, i'd say, having people around on day 2 who you have more of a read on, than silent people.

[Grief]

The Dude, on 12 July 2010 - 05:45 PM, said:

Grief, on 12 July 2010 - 05:34 PM, said:

I think it's better to lynch more on day one. Gives more information for the next day. This means more discssion the next day, so overall would give more information.

However, lynching based on the numbers is not a good idea.

It doesn't give information if you're just lynching someone to get up to a certain number. There still needs to be a reason for a lynch, or you can't see who is for/against it, etc.

I would say more lynches is better, but they still need to be for an actual reason. If there aren't good reasons on enough people, that's maybe unfortunate, but lynching for no reason is not a good plan.

Most important thing is just to lynch those who actually appear scummy.

I agree to a point... but how often do we get good solid leads on day 1? How often are we just voting someone because : " OMG he signaled him with this random post!!" Day 1's are notoriously random in terms of what we have to go on. 2 lynches of that randomness, i believe will give us less to go on than if we, lynch once day 1, then take what we learn, lynch twice, and base our D-day vote off of that info. Granted, with only 10, our chances of hitting scum are greater than normal on day one.. but i'd rather use our 2 lynches out of a pool of 8 people, rather than use our 2 lynches out of a pool of 10 people.

Depends how good the leads are. If there's little to go on, I'm happy enough to leave it until day two, since over day one and two, we'll be lynching the same number either way. Depends on the leads.

[The Dude]

^

this

If we have 2 legit scum candidates day 1.. then absolutely, we should vote them... our problem is, that it's been almost half the day and we still have 5 people that need to check in. I think leads will be at a premium day 1.

[Vengeance]

Ok I am caught up. I am against lynching mulipules on day one unless we have really good suspects. The simple reason is that we have a small pool of players and eliminating several of them on day one could negatively impact the town. The biggest problem is that we won't know if a lynch is a good lynch till the end of the day. If there are paired killers in the game then a couple of lynches well directed and the killers could run the game.

[The Dude]

I have to roll out for a bit

remove vote

[alt146]

My internet is slooooooooooow.

I agree we should double lynch at least once, since a 3v2 d-day is as much of a final day as a 4v2 one is, but with much better odds. Assuming paired killers of course, which seems more than likely.

[Edrigan]

I'm finally home, been driving through out the day to get back -

My entire body is in pain, sports + waggers vs decent athletes didnt work as well as I hoped, especially when I'm a smoker, and I've neglected excercising regularly, my stamina isnt on par. Perhaps age is catching up to me as well.

Onwards to the game, Dreks words about a short one could be Paired Killers + silly multilynches on day one. Granted I don't know if its a good idea to use it on day 1, we can still kill both birds (if its 2 killers we're talking about) in the same day - so its a double edged sword.

Will be around for a little while, as long as I can stay awake , granted I do have stuff to do early tomorrow- and after returning from a 'supposely' relaxing 3day escape , I'm more tired than I was before I left :S

[alt146]

I think tomorrow will be the best day to lynch twice. Once lynch today plus a kill leaves us with 8, two lynches and a kill Is then 5, which is the best number to go into D-day with a worst case scenario. Day three could work, but then we have to absolutely sure we hit a killer one of the two times. Having to make a decision like that with less cfs than we could have had doesn't seem like the best plan though. We could also lynch twice today,but considering the time constraints and the lack of info it seems a bit foolhardy. Tomorrow we have a bit more info and a slightly smaller suspect pool.

I'm off to bed, will definitely be back with tons of time to vote tomorrow.

[Vengeance]

Well I for one would be willing to lynch Mental today. Preferably before he can post. Any takers I have to go in a couple of minutes.

[Vengeance]

My reasoning is thus. He is Mental thus scum who should be lynched.

Vote Mentalist

[D'rek]

It is Day 1. 15 hours, 47 remaining.
10 players still alive: alt, dktorode, Edrigan, Grief, HMQB, Mentalist, PB, Silencer, The Dude, Vengeance

6 votes to lynch. 5 to go to night.

1 vote Mentalist (Vengeance)