[teholbeddict]

@Pathos Yes that was my thought on it exactly. I think it has the potential to be a really fun night. I can't do it right away, but I will definitely look at setting it up and PM you to let you know it's happening.

[Thelomen Toblerone]

Oh that was dire.

England were so appalling I was actually driven AWAY from drink. Shocking. Well done to the US, but on the strength of that game, neither side is going to (or deserves) to do well in the tournament unless they get themselves in gear.

That said, there hasn't actually been a properly decen tgame so far, all 5 have been a bit turgid. Hopefully it'll spark to life soon.

Now, for bbq chicken wings, to drown my sorrows.

[MTS]

Yeah, that was a pretty horrid game (as have been pretty much all the others...fucking France ). England didn't deserve to win it the way they played. I don't see the US getting much past the group stages either, but then again I never really expected them to.

[teholbeddict]

MTS, on 12 June 2010 - 10:58 PM, said:

Yeah, that was a pretty horrid game (as have been pretty much all the others...fucking France ). England didn't deserve to win it the way they played. I don't see the US getting much past the group stages either, but then again I never really expected them to.

Well if they do make it out of group stages they will be gone at the first opportunity. I don't think they have the skill to match up against some of the better countries. I mean as it is they barely pulled off the tie tonight and that was with England playing poorly. Had England been able to capitalize on the opportunities they had it would have been a much different game. I still think Theo Walcott should be on that team. Look at it the US is still carrying on and living in the fifties and that victory, while they are improving slowly, they haven't done much since. Pit them against teams like Brazil, Argentina, Portugal, Italy, Germany, or France and they don't have a chance. England needs to really pick it up though, I can't believe they are performing poorly like this again. You'd think the embarrassment of the last couple world cups would get them fired up and have then not wanting to repeat those performances at all costs.

Group A's games were a dud for me, although that goal by South Africa was still a beauty and I am happy for them. Group B and C weren't much better Argentina was on fire, in the first half of their game and then fizzled out. As I said before the South Koreans were more entertaining kicking Greece's ass. I'm looking forward to seeing Cameroon in group E, they are always fun to watch, very entertaining. I don't think we are going to see anything great until Group F and G roll around, possibly D as well.

This post has been edited by teholbeddict: 12 June 2010 - 11:27 PM

[Flashwit]

thats why lacrosse is such a good sport, hard hits plus the fluid movements and immense amount of skill and coordination needed to play the sport well.

[HoosierDaddy]

teholbeddict, on 12 June 2010 - 11:26 PM, said:

MTS, on 12 June 2010 - 10:58 PM, said:

Yeah, that was a pretty horrid game (as have been pretty much all the others...fucking France ). England didn't deserve to win it the way they played. I don't see the US getting much past the group stages either, but then again I never really expected them to.

Well if they do make it out of group stages they will be gone at the first opportunity. I don't think they have the skill to match up against some of the better countries. I mean as it is they barely pulled off the tie tonight and that was with England playing poorly. Had England been able to capitalize on the opportunities they had it would have been a much different game. I still think Theo Walcott should be on that team. Look at it the US is still carrying on and living in the fifties and that victory, while they are improving slowly, they haven't done much since. Pit them against teams like Brazil, Argentina, Portugal, Italy, Germany, or France and they don't have a chance. England needs to really pick it up though, I can't believe they are performing poorly like this again. You'd think the embarrassment of the last couple world cups would get them fired up and have then not wanting to repeat those performances at all costs.
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Didn't know this was a sports thread.

Don't take the TV as gospel for how actual Americans think, please. I, and most other Americans, could give a lesser fuck about 1-0 game in 1960. We reached the quarterfinals in '02, that's "something", and arguably got screwed out of an obvious handball against Germany in that quarterfinal. Lost to Brazil 3-2 in the Confed Cup final. Drew Italy in 2006. Beat Portugal in 2002. Beat Spain in the Confed Cup. So, I believe that's 4 out of 5 results against Italy, Portugal, Spain, and England in the past 8 years in International contests (not friendlies). Haven't played France in the last eight years, I believe. All together though, it's nothing to scoff at.

I don't know what has you so gung-ho about about this, but I'd just ask you to take this shit to a sports thread if you want to rant about Americans being obnoxious and being other-rans. I've been nothing but polite to anyone about the world cup, and to come in here and read something like this, well, it makes me not want to come back.

This post has been edited by H.D.: 13 June 2010 - 03:47 AM

[teholbeddict]

Whoa calm down. First of all since when can we not talk about sports in here? We have done multiple posts about various sports in the past. It was never a problem before, I didn't realize we had to limit what we talked about in here now.

Secondly it isn't anti-american. It was about the match that was going on today. Trust me when the other teams face off we will bitch about them as well. That's alot of what the sport is about. I don't like that the Italians dive and cry trying to get penalty shots for everything. Or that the Argentinians play dirty and take cheap shots. There are a lot of things I don't like about a lot of teams. They just haven't had a major head to head rivalry yet. If you want to take it as anti-American that's your business but i can tell you for a fact that's not how any of us meant it. As for you being polite or whatever no one was making personal attacks against you either. You're being rather melodramatic about this.

As for that match ups you mentioned, I don't remember mentioning the Con fed cup. I am talking about world cup play, which is far different than other international tournaments. I don't know why you have to come in here and take that attitude. Just uncalled for. I also said England played like shit and that they did poorly for the last two world cups, I don't see anyone accusing me of being anti UK. I said the other games were disappointing too, it doesn't mean I am anti anything. You are being unfair here.

If you want to start censoring what we talk about and we can't even mention sports that we are watching I don't see the point of my coming back. So have at it, pubs all yours.

This post has been edited by teholbeddict: 13 June 2010 - 04:27 AM

[HoosierDaddy]

Okay, you didn't say "arrogant." You said "acting cocky" and "carrying on about a game that's 60 years old". I'm sorry if both of those strike me as both unfair and untrue, and add up to arrogance.

By the way, did I say we couldn't talk about it? Or did I ask to shift the convo to a more appropriate place? Because, I think there is an entire thread devoted to the World Cup, and feel it would be better stated there? I think your comments strayed from random regular Pub behavior to something much more discussion worthy. Did I ask to move it in a melodramatic way? Probably. I was annoyed at your analysis which I think was poor. But, I'm done talking about that here. Feel free to continue doing so. I'll shut my trap and keep out.

[teholbeddict]

H.D., on 13 June 2010 - 04:53 AM, said:

Okay, you didn't say "arrogant." You said "acting cocky" and "carrying on about a game that's 60 years old". I'm sorry if both of those strike me as both unfair and untrue, and add up to arrogance.

By the way, did I say we couldn't talk about it? Or did I ask to shift the convo to a more appropriate place? Because, I think there is an entire thread devoted to the World Cup, and feel it would be better stated there? I think your comments strayed from random regular Pub behavior to something much more discussion worthy. Did I ask to move it in a melodramatic way? Probably. I was annoyed at your analysis which I think was poor. But, I'm done talking about that here. Feel free to continue doing so. I'll shut my trap and keep out.

I don't think it was a poor analysis at all. I'm fairly sure I was stating fact. I don't believe they are of a skill level to keep up with those teams, previous world cups would show they aren't and I dont' feel they've improved dramatically since the last one. Neither was I the only one to think that. We'll see how far they make it, and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

As for telling us what to talk about, when you say something like didn't know this was a sports thread and then tell us to move it to another thread...you pretty much are. I don't know how many times we have discussed baseball, basketball or other sports in here. In fact I remember you posting in here for the US Brazil game last year, another instance in which you flew off the handle. Yes there is a World Cup thread, and people are free to post in there, but we also have friends in here who are watching and like to talk about it. Since when can we not talk about something just because it's in another thread. I don't need you policing things and telling me what is and isn't pub behaviour. Pub behaviour last time I checked was talking about anything that was going on in our lives or whatever we were doing amongst friends. That includes sports which you yourself have discussed in here on several occasions. You are taking this way to personally, as I said before it was about the match that was going on at the time, I clearly stated in my first post today that I didn't like the us and it was nothing anti-american it was their style of play. I talked about every other team that played today and not all of it was positive. You are the only one who took it that way, and I was not the only one to say things. You think I am being arrogant, well I think you are being a poor sport and it's not the first time. I'm not discussing sports with you anymore period, because it always seems to lead down this road. You don't have to keep your mouth shut, you don't have to keep out. You seem to have a "pub behaviour" defined and want to keep it a certain way, so feel free. I'm certainly not going to sit in here and not be allowed to discuss the rest of the games that go on during the tournament because you feel they aren't pub like convos or are going to take everything as a personal affront. So as I said in the last post feel free, the pub is all yours, no policing necessary.

This post has been edited by teholbeddict: 13 June 2010 - 05:06 AM

[Jusentantaka]

Now THIS is a proper pub. All we need now is a fist fight (I nominate Cougar and Nikky) and for someone to call the police!

[KalamMekhar]

damn i didnt know you couldnt talk about sports here either, prett sure everyone has made comments on sports at one time or another, and it could be talked about in the world cup thread, but TB said it here because it was brought up in here. need to calm down a lil bit there HD on how you come back at someone. Just because you dont like someones analysis of a game doesnt mean it cant be said either, im prety sure, well no im 100% sure there are some sports analysis i could go find of yours that i thoguht were complete crap too, but did i come at you and say they were poor or shit? she has said something about everygame, not just the american game, which we were damn lucky to even get the tie, and she just said her opinion on how the days games went, if you dont like it, then dont read it. I know i dont post in here a lot but im pretty sure we can talk about whatever the fuck we want in here. whether or not it can be posted in another forum or not.

[HoosierDaddy]

You are being as melodramatic as you claim I was being. No one needs to leave the thread and not post whatever they feel like posting. I'm not policing anything. I have no power to do so, and wouldn't if I did. I stated there was a thread better suited to this discussion in this instance. I haven't done so any other times because I haven't felt like anything needed to be transferred to different thread to keep this exact discussion out of here.

You might not have appreciated the manner of my delivery, obviously I took a bit of umbrage towards yours. Nothing more needs to be said about the matter. You don't want to talk about sports with me? Fair enough. I've exploded once on this forum about sports, and I'll admit it was just that, an explosion. It wasn't in here, and I am not inebriated. This is not the same situation at all, but I'll honor your wishes.

If anyone is going to avoid this thread for any reasons it should be me. You are in here a lot. I am not.

[HoosierDaddy]

One terrifically bad statement is going to be thrown at me over and over again. Yes, yes, talk sports in here. I delivered the message poorly. It should have asked more clearly and without drama to move what I thought was something more discussion worthy to a different thread. It was an attempt to keep something in my opinion that would have been better suited to another thread out of here. But, I'll let you all jump down my throat now, and see how long it takes me to choke (delivery deserves the jumping, but I'll stand by my point.)

This post has been edited by H.D.: 13 June 2010 - 05:24 AM

[teholbeddict]

It's been more than once, as I said there was the US vs Brazil game last year in this pub where you got angry when they lost the game in the second half. You got pissed and blew up at the Colts Saints game and you have done it now for a third time with this situation. So yes I feel like sports are off limits with you. You took friendly banter and turned it into something it wasn't and are accusing people of things that aren't true. When the other major match ups happen people will bitch about those as well. Soccer is a passionate sport, and people feel strongly about countries and their style of play, it doesn't mean we are taking personal pot shots or anti whatever country is playing. You were the one who started up about not coming back in here. If you thought I was melodramatic it's probably because it was in direct response to your coming in here and stirring something up for no need. If you feel US has a chance to make it then say so, if you think Donovan is going to lead the team to glory, or Howard is going to kill it in net and get them out of the group, go ahead and express that. If you think a team played like shit then say that too, but don't take it to a personal level and don't suggest that we should take stuff to a sports thread because it's being discussed there already and you don't like that we are talking about it. You'll notice there were other convos going on at the same time so it wasn't taking the pub over. This place is to have fun, we are all supposed to be friends, you should know that none of us would come in here and be anti American or anti anything and take personal pot shots at a person or country. We never have, why would we start now. I'll say it once more, the game was going on at the time and had just finished, we were discussing that specific game. We also said England played poorly and were a disappointment, the US thing was a small part of it. We have talked about other teams that have taken part so far as well. It is all about the game and the performance and nothing personal. Now I am done discussing this as well, and please feel free to stay, I'm certainly not wanting you to go. It seems we will have to agree not to talk about sports with one another, but there is plenty more we can discuss.


Edit in response to cross post: Since when have we ever asked people to move to another thread in here? If you want to talk about something else then post, it's what we always do. The trickster always has a ton of different convos and topics going on at once, that's part of what makes the place. Everyone else was talking around the World Cup stuff without any problems. I saw no need to move it, it's nothing we haven't done before as far as talking sports in here.
Fuck I need a drink.

This post has been edited by teholbeddict: 13 June 2010 - 05:40 AM

[HoosierDaddy]

Tehol, I know you aren't anti-American. I have pretty damned good evidence to believe just the opposite. I never claimed anti-Americanism, just that I felt there were a couple unfair statements. My delivery was poor. Message boards are not good for tact or delivery. I don't remember being mad (other than just generally upset) at the Confed Cup final. I've apologized to you for the Super Bowl thing. That was out of bounds behavior. This... was bad delivery. Don't you think this would have been better had it not occurred in here?

So... who wants to talk about religion and politics?

[KalamMekhar]

how would it have been any damn better if it was in another thread? you said what you said HD, regardless of where its said, you had a "bad delivery" as you want to call it and came off mean and as an asshole pretty much.

[teholbeddict]

H.D., on 13 June 2010 - 05:37 AM, said:

Tehol, I know you aren't anti-American. I have pretty damned good evidence to believe just the opposite. I never claimed anti-Americanism, just that I felt there were a couple unfair statements. My delivery was poor. Message boards are not good for tact or delivery. I don't remember being mad (other than just generally upset) at the Confed Cup final. I've apologized to you for the Super Bowl thing. That was out of bounds behavior. This... was bad delivery. Don't you think this would have been better had it not occurred in here?

So... who wants to talk about religion and politics?

My point is that there was no need for it to occur, you brought it to that level. We had all been discussing it this afternoon without incident. It wasn't until you came in here and made that post that it blew up. the blow up would have happened in the sport thread too, or wherever else it had been posted. I was not the only one who made those statements it was a continuation of an earlier convo. I wouldn't make points about a team that I didn't think were true. Youre right it was poor delivery and I got really angry because of it. That doesn't mean we aren't still friends (unless you hate me now, which I doubt) and we can still discuss other things. just try not to take the comments about teams personally.

Now really no more of this.

Round of vodka for everyone, actually make that two. Plus some pizza and cupcakes I'm hungry.

This post has been edited by teholbeddict: 13 June 2010 - 05:45 AM

[KalamMekhar]

ill definately take some pizza after watching lidell getting knocked out by such a sissy punch!

[HoosierDaddy]

Because, this thread is for frivolous talk and fun, KM. That's why. What gets talked in about here seriously? Tehol says it is her serious analysis, and that's how I took it. I disagreed with not only the analysis, but a couple of the statements that I felt were unfair potshots (rather right or wrong, that's how I read them). You read me as being an asshole. I read me as being annoyed and delivering a sincere message in a poor way. It would have been better to not have been in here because of how I view the thread.

[HoosierDaddy]

Yes, friends. All friends get annoyed with each other from time to time. I'll drink my shots, tip my hat, and say goodnight before I piss everyone else off.