[MTS]

Satan, on 25 March 2013 - 11:25 AM, said:

To jump on the bandwagon of hate: Despite trying several times, I have never finished Morrowind, Oblivion or Skyrim, simply because they bore me. Most of the people above are right in that the atmosphere in Morrowind is amazing. Unfortunately the basic game mechanics of fighting and quest-solving is so damned tedious that it's simply not worth it to continue playing. Sort of the same can be said for Oblivion and Skyrim, but not to the same extent on either point (better basic game mechanics, but much worse atmosphere).

I'm of much the same opinion. I have no idea how somebody could put 100 hours into Skyrim, much less Oblivion, and I could never really get into Morrowind.

[Gothos]

ADHD eh?

[Studlock]

@Silencer
As a gamer I play strategy (which was the reason I got a PC) mostly, played the first modern warfare because everyone had it and were playing it online (I find it odd that you went straight to COD the strawman of bad games). I'm into multiplayer FPS and I do love RPGs. The main reason I can't play games like Baulders Gate is because, mostly, the combat and story. The way combat is pulls me out of the action to point that it bored me. There was a strategic element to it that I found in actual strategy games that did it better and the story wasn't enough to keep me going. Being a console player I mostly played JRPGs which I can't really do anymore because I find the combat to not be as rewarding as TBS or RTS and the stories just don't excite me as they use to. Games I've enjoyed recently are like I said the Witcher series which when compared to BG is nothing like it (honestly I don't see it, is it 'spirit'? Because it's a 3d ARPG with an entirely different story. If you're argument is hanging on the fact that some people find it difficult and thus rewarding, personally I don't find that to be a good argument). The story grabbed me right away, the combat was both fun and strategic BUT wasn't that difficult. Many indie RPGs like Bastion. Some FPS, but again mostly online stuff like Blacklight. Mass Effect, and mostly because I enjoy me some good space opera. I use to play a lot of spectacle fighters but I haven't picked up one in while because I enjoyed playing them with controllers. I plan on playing Torment sometime because apparently it's the greatest written game of ALL TIME. I am not that into rougelikes because I don't enjoy dying over and over, I find it annoying actually. I've yet to play the original Deus Ex or Thief (or really any Thief games, not really sure what it is actually). The game nearest to these that I've recently played and enjoyed would be Dishonor and Deus Ex:HR.

So I think my gaming experience is quite wide and from some of the older games I went back to play I find it hard to sympathize with the constant stream of complaints how games are getting worst because of difficulty (and to be fair I haven't played all the classics). Story sure (but or course I'd argue writing in games were never that good and if it was a good story it was rarity compared to today where we constantly get better stories even if we have to dig through piles of FPS military men), but gameplay? I enjoy the smoother experience of today games compared to the sometimes clunkier gameplay of other games.

I'll stop derailing the thread I swear.

[Tapper]

MTS, on 25 March 2013 - 01:01 PM, said:

Satan, on 25 March 2013 - 11:25 AM, said:

To jump on the bandwagon of hate: Despite trying several times, I have never finished Morrowind, Oblivion or Skyrim, simply because they bore me. Most of the people above are right in that the atmosphere in Morrowind is amazing. Unfortunately the basic game mechanics of fighting and quest-solving is so damned tedious that it's simply not worth it to continue playing. Sort of the same can be said for Oblivion and Skyrim, but not to the same extent on either point (better basic game mechanics, but much worse atmosphere).

I'm of much the same opinion. I have no idea how somebody could put 100 hours into Skyrim, much less Oblivion, and I could never really get into Morrowind.

I couldn't, until I played Skyrim, which I've clocked over 100+ hours in (other than that, it is usually strategy games or spreadsheet stuff like Football Manager). That being said, I am still not far on the story, but focus instead on grinding aspects like Smithing in Skyrim...

[Defiance]

Seriously, fuck Kalameet. I absolutely cannot beat him on my Pyro (also have Quelaag's Furysword and a fully upgraded spear, I forget which one). I don't want to summon another player because I've beat every other boss in the game without help (no NPC phantoms or other players), but I'm not sure I can beat this guy solo. One wrong move and I'm nearly dead. Usually I get him about 1/4 of the way down before being completely assraped by his fire.

[Aptorian]

Arrh! Bioshock Infinite is getting universal praise. It is being compared to the likes of Half life 2 and Uncharted in terms of the quality of the gaming world and the story. And my PC is still broken! Oh woe is me!

I seriously need to play this game before some asshat ruins the ending or something like that.

[tiam]

Silencer, on 24 March 2013 - 11:04 PM, said:

Jean-Claude Van tiam, on 24 March 2013 - 09:33 PM, said:

I was simply trolling with my Morrowwind comparison to Skyrim. Though there is nothing like wandering round the woods being attacked by a troll then having a dragon attack the troll watching them fight for a time before running your low level stealth build ass away from the scene of the crime.

The plot of Skyrim is not the main draw for me. Im sure Morrowwind had a more complex plot that did this and another with bells on but it doesnt compare to a beautiful sandbox full of dragons.

Anyway i cant quite bring myself to play RE6. It just didnt draw me in the way 4 did.

The point being made with regards to the Morrowind vs Skyrim plotlines is not restricted to the main quest. The main quest in Morrowind is years ahead of the Skyrim one, true, but it is not the main draw of that game either. Morrowind is that "beautiful sandbox" you describe - and more. Guild quests are more complex and interrelated, there are numerous factions which are at odds, meaning you can't just join everything and do everything (hey, Studlock! This be the "dumbing down", yo! ) with a "master of all trades" generic character that takes thirty seconds to level up.
It may not have dragons, but it's got more than enough to make up for the rest.

Also...you do realize that trolling is against the Code of Conduct, right?

Trolling is an over statement just meant it as a joke as ive stated ive never even played Morrowwind. Nothing to see here higher ups...move along...

I would like more specialization in Skyrim. All three of my files are all archmage without putting any effort into magic and thats something I would like changed. It does add replay value but I see why they dumbed it down to an extent. Given that the only specialization you get is the Mages Guild (i.e Dark Brotherhood, Companions and thieves guild all allow standard melee fighter bar maybe the thieves guild which would need a moderate stealth build stealth build) there arent many players whod go back for just that quest line unless they beef it up like you claim they have for Morrowwind.

Skyrim is simply a 'You pick a play style, you complete the game you pick another play style...' etc whereas Morrowwind sounds like a much more specified play through. As Defiance has said above, unless you get into the endless dungeon trawling it wont grab you. Im on my third playthrough of well over 100 hours per file on Master difficulty (how many of you are playing on Master difficulty btw) and I still enjoy it. Tbh alot of what you said sounds like it would be good in Skyrim. The fact that all Loot is leveled makes sneaking in, stealing stuff and sneaking back out pointless and farming for loot is also pointless when you can make much better enchanted weapons than even the Daedric artifacts and Dragon Masks.

In other news I was in Game the other day and Dark Souls is still 27 pound preowned that I cant really justify yet there seems to be some extended 'prepare to die' expansion there for only 22 pound. Is it simply the same game with more because if so I might buckle then curse you all to the foulest hells at how much time and patience the game takes off me.

EDIT- Oblivion could be so easily manipulated/fucked up by not taking care of what you were levelling and the more organic levelling in Skyrim is much better. You dont gain anything in Oblivion for levelling up as everything levels with you its just gets harder to maintain the advantage. Also if you put a non combat skill like alchemy in your main skill list that makes you level you were fucked if you put any time into it as everything would take you down. Skyrim represents a much better playthrough and a fantastic advancement.

This post has been edited by Jean-Claude Van tiam: 25 March 2013 - 06:40 PM

[Traveller]

Defiance, on 25 March 2013 - 03:30 PM, said:

Seriously, fuck Kalameet. I absolutely cannot beat him on my Pyro (also have Quelaag's Furysword and a fully upgraded spear, I forget which one). I don't want to summon another player because I've beat every other boss in the game without help (no NPC phantoms or other players), but I'm not sure I can beat this guy solo. One wrong move and I'm nearly dead. Usually I get him about 1/4 of the way down before being completely assraped by his fire.

Yeah, the great big bastard is resistant to fire. So my pyro spells were redundant, and I had no useful attack spells either. Took me ages to kill it... and a load of different combinations of weapons, armor and rings. I think I ended up using an upgraded Halberd; as I'd been using the Furysword, which is good and fast, but ineffective against him. So I had to run in, dodge his attack, hit him a couple of times, then run. And run! You need a stamina boost, like the green ring or the Mask of the... Father? And you need to be quick - that divebomb/flame attack is a real killer. He even pulled it out of the bag when he only had a tiny sliver of health left, after a good 25 minute fight.... that awful moment when you see he's nearly done, but you're out of stamina for the final, last hit, and are unable to block... and then he incinerates you. It's lucky I was on my own, or I would have punched somebody... Seriously, no other game has left me with my heart racing like that.

That's kind of what I liked about it though... the fact he was so hard, but on one attempt out of 10 I'd get his health right down.. which kept me coming back. I think it took me a week of attempts in the end.

Worth it though, as the Obsidion Sword you get from hacking off his tail is totally awesome - looks like Karsa's flint sword, with a sort of hook on the end, and it's great for taking out earlier bosses with. I took it back through all the earlier stages just to hack everything to bits!

@J-C Vt - get the 'Prepare to Die' Edition - it has the DLC on it. (Including Kalameet... )

This post has been edited by Traveller: 25 March 2013 - 09:02 PM

[Traveller]

Changing the subject... looks like they've taken the Piratey goodness out of AC3, and made a new game out of it.

http://www.siliconer...meplay-footage/

[Illuyankas]

I just bought Dark Souls Prepare to Die Edition off Steam for £15, sooooooo

[tiam]

Given my hatred for RE6 and Hitman Absolution plus my frustration with Skyrim and the AI in Medieval 2 I think this might need a purchase. I get paid on thursday so will buy this Prepare to die edition. Me and Illy can bug the shit out of you with questions. I dont have internet access on my xbox atm so will be playing this solo is that a problem?

Also Silencer will probably ban me given the sheer volume of utter hate filled rants I will be spewing at all those who told me to buy this.

[Silencer]

It's forgiveable with Dark Souls. The rants reflect that the game is affecting you correctly.

[Traveller]

This could be fun.

Internet access is good... but not entirely necessary. When connected, you'll see blood patches on the ground every so often. Standing near them triggers a ghost of another player somewhere in his final moments, which can tip you off about dangers ahead (it's amazing just how many people fall off ledges). And, you can write messages on the ground which show up in other players games, and vice versa...so you might see a message saying 'Here!' near a secret door or something.

There is also the ability to 'invade' another players world as a spirit. If you kill them you get their Souls and Humanity. This doesn't affect the game much though, it just means you won't get invaded by someone else while you're playing offline.

There are some nice touches you'll miss though... like when, after defeating the gargoyle bosses, you have to ring the bell on the Tower. Afterwards, when you're near the Tower later, you can hear the bell ring when someone else has beaten them. And occasionally when you sit down by a fire to save, you'll see the ghost/shade of another player sitting down at the same time. It shows there are other people sharing the same experience without being intrusive. And you get to check out their armor and think 'where the hell did he get that?'

[tiam]

That non obtrusive but involved internet bonus sounds interesting but not deal breaking. Its just that im sure I read on here some of you were getting help from other people to kill bosses?

[Defiance]

Aptorius, on 25 March 2013 - 04:37 PM, said:

Arrh! Bioshock Infinite is getting universal praise. It is being compared to the likes of Half life 2 and Uncharted in terms of the quality of the gaming world and the story. And my PC is still broken! Oh woe is me!

I seriously need to play this game before some asshat ruins the ending or something like that.

I swear, there's a special place in hell reserved for people who spoil video games (and books, and movies, and TV shows).

[Illuyankas]

I'm still pissed about having the ending of Portal 2 ruined for me before it even unlocked on Steam.

[amphibian]

Jean-Claude Van tiam, on 26 March 2013 - 12:13 AM, said:

That non obtrusive but involved internet bonus sounds interesting but not deal breaking. Its just that im sure I read on here some of you were getting help from other people to kill bosses?

Yes, if you have certain items, you can summon people to help out for chunks of a level. That can include the boss fight (and usually is just for the boss fight).

If you're playing it solo, like I am because I have no Xbox Live account, you have to arrange things for certain NPCs within the game who can be summoned. Not as fun, but it's helpful if the boss is ridiculously tough (many are).

I think it's worth it to play online, even if you get invaded and lose. You always have a chance due to the parrying, rolling and backstabbing.

[Traveller]

Yes. Forgot to mention the 'help' you can get by summoning other players. (It was late, I was tired!)

If you're in real trouble you can get another player or two to help. What's more fun though, is being summoned by someone else.

After beating a boss, you can go back to the last bonfire and write on the floor, which lets other players summon you for help. You get to fight it again, show 'em how its done, and get a ton of Souls too.

[Morgoth]

I beat the game first time offline, and enjoyed every moment of it. Playing it again online was a completely different, and in many ways a better experience, but not massively so. I also appreciated the feeling of being entirely alone in an incredibly hostile world.

[MTS]

Too. Poor. Must. Resist. Buying. Bioshock. Infinite...