[Serc]

Ok not entirely clear on whats been but form what i can gather the Galain case seemed to centre on him contradicting himself, which i can definitely see and his explanation that he's using scum and syndicate to mean different things is a bit strange, so it is possible that it could have been 2 different people.

Myself im not sure if the extra alt would be syndicate, i am liking the possible idea that its a japanese robot.

Im not sure if it would be better to lynch now and hope we hit syndicate and not a team mate or wait till tomorrow when we'll likely have a bit more info due to night actions and scenes. Right now im leaning towards waiting to see what happens. However i will leave a vote in order to counter the chinese a bit

Vote Olar Ethil

because he posted just above me

[Serc]

EDIT Gah site being slow, Double post

This post has been edited by Serc: 19 May 2010 - 04:11 PM

[Mockra]

Sorry, Serc, but I don't think you get to double vote unless you somehow have that ability or maybe you're the mysterious extra alt and you accidentally posted twice on the same alt?!

[Shadow]

Hey, look! The forum works!

Sorry for the late arrival, friends, but I really needed that whole "sleep" thing before the server was fixed! Now for an epically long read up, I presume.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. The clock has been frozen with 02 Hours and 48 Minutes remaining.

23 Players still alive: D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Spite, Tellan

12 votes to lynch, 12 votes to go to night.

3 Votes for Galain ( Emurlahn, Kaschan, Silanah )
1 Vote for Hood's Path ( Omtose )
1 Vote for Ruse ( Tellan )
1 Vote for Kaschan ( Olar Ethil )
1 Vote for Olar Ethil ( Serc )

Players not voted: D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Galain, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Rashan, Ruse, Shadow, Sheltatha Lore, Spite

[Mockra]

Galain, on 19 May 2010 - 12:11 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 19 May 2010 - 11:48 AM, said:

Hi people. Unfortunatley Im just getting this post in so I can drop a vote to further the anti-Chinese cause - the server downage was right in my main log-on time and I cant spend more than a minute on in th emornings. Not sure what PS will/is doing to extend the day and by how long hence I wnated to get this vote down before the end of day just in case.


So:

Galain, on 19 May 2010 - 07:59 AM, said:

Whoever said I should read through the last 7 pr 8 pages, I hate you.

A couple things,

Last game there was definitly proper symps in the game. One of the people who CFed as being French, as someone correctly pointed out as Bwgan/The Temptress, they were working for the scum. So we should expect the same in this game.

Also last game, we got no NKs because the killer hit a BP every night for the first 3 nights. I doubt we will as lucky this time but you never know.

Thirdly.. where the hell are the scenes Mods? They were awesome in the first game, and I demand you do some for this game!

Galain, on 19 May 2010 - 08:42 AM, said:

D, on 19 May 2010 - 08:22 AM, said:

Galain, on 19 May 2010 - 07:59 AM, said:

Whoever said I should read through the last 7 pr 8 pages, I hate you.

A couple things,

Last game there was definitly proper symps in the game. One of the people who CFed as being French, as someone correctly pointed out as Bwgan/The Temptress, they were working for the scum. So we should expect the same in this game.

Also last game, we got no NKs because the killer hit a BP every night for the first 3 nights. I doubt we will as lucky this time but you never know.

Thirdly.. where the hell are the scenes Mods? They were awesome in the first game, and I demand you do some for this game!

Aside the massive cross post fail about scenes, I think in the last game some syndicate members had the ability to appear as spies upon CF.

Yeah well I was refering to the arrival scenes... I don't recall any syndicate members appearing as Spies upon CF, but maybe because we had a finder done on them. Who wants to brave Venges Game 1 Spam to find out?

As to what we should be doing, this is still a scum vs town game right? For me, I think we should be doing everything we would normally do to find the scum in a traditional game. Its always difficult to find scum normally, and if we are going to be playing around trying to stop one town faction or another and not concentrate on the scum then its going to be that much harder. No town faction wins if the scum wins.

Contradictory much?

Vote Galain

for confusing the thread and thats the best I could find for now!

Its not contradictory. The first part is talking about symps we never know if they are syndicate or not. The second part is talking about syndicate members who could disguise their CF or themselves to a Find etc.

I kind of agree with Galain on this one. He's basically saying that bwgan CF'd as French and then later says he doesn't recall any syndicate CFing as spies. Then, upon second inspection, I also kinda agree with Emurlahn on it, too. If Galain knows that bwgan was a French Syndicate member but then forgets that a huge part of her role was infiltrating the enemy and looking like a spy upon CF, I'm confused. How could you know one part and not the other?

However, Tapper made it fairly clear that we shouldn't base play in this game upon the last game. It was a great game and I think all we can really take from it are

1) Some of the survivors may return with old and new abilities
2) It's heavily role and story driven.

On the basis of what Tapper said, I find it hard to vote for Galain, even if it makes some people even more suspicious.

[Mockra]

Shadow, welcome to the party! Enjoy the spam, it's mostly higher quality than usual!

[Shadow]

Two pages down...

On this whole extra alt issue, I don't see why Emur would suggest that the alt is shared amongst a faction, nor why anyone would agree. Sure, it's plausible and I guess if it were to happen in a game it'd be Spycraft, but it'd be a logistical nightmare and vastly overpowered as everyone who can log in to it could leave all manner of clues of themselves to the other users of the alt in the settings or whatnot, not to mention the timings of other alts going online and offline as the extra one shows up. It seems like it'd be just far too rigged and impossible to manage that I sincerely doubt that'd be a mechanic in this game. I find it vastly more likely that it's a player controlling two alts and that's all.

[Galayn Lord]

It seems that faction would have a huge advantage. A shared account and they all know each other, so it seems unlikely

[Shadow]

Galayn Lord, on 19 May 2010 - 04:32 PM, said:

It seems that faction would have a huge advantage. A shared account and they all know each other, so it seems unlikely

Precisely.

Well, lunch break is over and I'm only half way through the thread (but past the singing at least). I can't really justify putting down a vote yet (though I'm past the debate of voting for the sake of mangling the Chinese) but as I said, haven't even read the thread yet so I'm not going to. If the day ends in only a few hours than I will probably not be back online in time to read up. As they say on the street: "Dems da breakz!"

[Omtose]

I wonder if the extra alt is someone who has some sort disguise power.

[Hugin & Munin]

2 hours and 13 minutes left, I would be much obliged if you were all to send in your night actions, please.




and aim them at P-S, please

This post has been edited by Hugin & Munin: 19 May 2010 - 04:50 PM

[Mockra]

Galayn Lord is naked again!

[Galayn Lord]

Hugin & Munin, on 19 May 2010 - 04:49 PM, said:

2 hours and 13 minutes left, I would be much obliged if you were all to send in your night actions, please.




and aim them at P-S, please

Are we at level 1

[Mockra]

We will be Level 1 for the night, GL. But we aren't Level 1 yet. We can only level at the end or beginning of Day.

[Path-Shaper]

Galayn Lord, on 19 May 2010 - 05:09 PM, said:

Hugin & Munin, on 19 May 2010 - 04:49 PM, said:

2 hours and 13 minutes left, I would be much obliged if you were all to send in your night actions, please.




and aim them at P-S, please

Are we at level 1

at the end of the day and before the start of the night, yes (in other words, I cannot accept day actions of level 1, but will accept night actions of level 1).

[Ruse]

Shadow, on 19 May 2010 - 04:21 PM, said:

Two pages down...

On this whole extra alt issue, I don't see why Emur would suggest that the alt is shared amongst a faction, nor why anyone would agree. Sure, it's plausible and I guess if it were to happen in a game it'd be Spycraft, but it'd be a logistical nightmare and vastly overpowered as everyone who can log in to it could leave all manner of clues of themselves to the other users of the alt in the settings or whatnot, not to mention the timings of other alts going online and offline as the extra one shows up. It seems like it'd be just far too rigged and impossible to manage that I sincerely doubt that'd be a mechanic in this game. I find it vastly more likely that it's a player controlling two alts and that's all.

I agree with this and also what someone else said earlier (I can't find it now) about how even if multiple people were controlling a single dummy alt, they would have to be pretty stupid to have multiple people controlling what that alt posts because of issues with consistency. The case, which seemed silly to begin with, now seems even more silly.

Unfortunately, that leaves us with no suspects and very little time left. Maybe Kaschan started stomping his feet over Emur's observation because he was deflecting?

[Kaschan]

Ruse, on 19 May 2010 - 05:12 PM, said:

Shadow, on 19 May 2010 - 04:21 PM, said:

Two pages down...

On this whole extra alt issue, I don't see why Emur would suggest that the alt is shared amongst a faction, nor why anyone would agree. Sure, it's plausible and I guess if it were to happen in a game it'd be Spycraft, but it'd be a logistical nightmare and vastly overpowered as everyone who can log in to it could leave all manner of clues of themselves to the other users of the alt in the settings or whatnot, not to mention the timings of other alts going online and offline as the extra one shows up. It seems like it'd be just far too rigged and impossible to manage that I sincerely doubt that'd be a mechanic in this game. I find it vastly more likely that it's a player controlling two alts and that's all.

I agree with this and also what someone else said earlier (I can't find it now) about how even if multiple people were controlling a single dummy alt, they would have to be pretty stupid to have multiple people controlling what that alt posts because of issues with consistency. The case, which seemed silly to begin with, now seems even more silly.

Unfortunately, that leaves us with no suspects and very little time left. Maybe Kaschan started stomping his feet over Emur's observation because he was deflecting?

Im not sure how this is accurate. My foot stomping was about the massive over reaction and defense to a vote and pressure. Not about a shared alt (which was what I was pressuring Galain about initially.).


Im having serious wireless issues atm, but I may have temporarily pfixed the problem.

[Kaschan]

I also think some of you are mistaking this game as a scum vs town game. There is a scum team, but the fact that there are factions leads me to believe that the defense of Galain connects the three. The fact that Sil made the vote 3/12 with 3 hours remaining does very little in my eyes to break up the connection.

[Kaschan]

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