[Kaschan]

Path-Shaper, on 07 April 2010 - 01:58 PM, said:

You were supposed to get this at the beginning of the day, but I forgot to tell Baudin. My mistake.

[Path-Shaper]

This day, you tosser. Meaning you had it.. urm 3 hours after you were meant to.

[Kaschan]

Liosan, on 07 April 2010 - 01:52 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 07 April 2010 - 01:46 PM, said:

Leader role gets REALLY confusing after point 3 though... i gave up

The rules aren't that complicated. Since the majority of us are presumably roled (tis a role-heavy game) and our roles have a big impact on how the leaders roles work (and can easily end up getting us killed) I'm suspicious of people who haven't taken the time to make sure they understand correctly. Or at least appear that way on thread.

You really trying to tell me this is straight forward?

I really dont have to work this out...im not a leader im not going to bother.
I dont give a shit what you think but THIS

Path-Shaper, on 05 April 2010 - 02:28 PM, said:

3) If the player a leader is targeting for a night kill is targeted by another player on the night of the kill, the leader kills the targeting player instead. A 1) action's immune to the effects of 3), meaning that if the leader is already targeting someone not of his factions as made possible through 1), he'll ignore the effect of 3).

If several players target the player under 3), the one to act first is killed. So a Guard before a healer before a finder before a vig and so on.

If a leader dies the other two leaders are told the alts of the remaining members of that faction. Now, instead of targeting their own members they can chose one of that faction instead.


Leaders ignore the effects of guard and heal. However, a guard still count as a night action in regards to 1,2,3.

Is confusing. Even if i am a leader its STILL confusing.

[Silanah]

Kaschan, on 07 April 2010 - 02:06 PM, said:

Liosan, on 07 April 2010 - 01:52 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 07 April 2010 - 01:46 PM, said:

Leader role gets REALLY confusing after point 3 though... i gave up

The rules aren't that complicated. Since the majority of us are presumably roled (tis a role-heavy game) and our roles have a big impact on how the leaders roles work (and can easily end up getting us killed) I'm suspicious of people who haven't taken the time to make sure they understand correctly. Or at least appear that way on thread.

You really trying to tell me this is straight forward?

I really dont have to work this out...im not a leader im not going to bother.
I dont give a shit what you think but THIS

Path-Shaper, on 05 April 2010 - 02:28 PM, said:

3) If the player a leader is targeting for a night kill is targeted by another player on the night of the kill, the leader kills the targeting player instead. A 1) action's immune to the effects of 3), meaning that if the leader is already targeting someone not of his factions as made possible through 1), he'll ignore the effect of 3).

If several players target the player under 3), the one to act first is killed. So a Guard before a healer before a finder before a vig and so on.

If a leader dies the other two leaders are told the alts of the remaining members of that faction. Now, instead of targeting their own members they can chose one of that faction instead.


Leaders ignore the effects of guard and heal. However, a guard still count as a night action in regards to 1,2,3.

Is confusing. Even if i am a leader its STILL confusing.

wtf?

[b] vote Kaschan [/s]

seriously?

[Kaschan]

Sorrit, on 07 April 2010 - 01:51 PM, said:

@kaschan,

yeah, I had to read the rules a bunch of times to follow the order of things. I thought I had understood it, but I missed that leaders wouldn't actually kill the first night - I read targeting as = killing.

OH LOOK HE GOT CONFUSED HE MUST BE FAKING!! KILL IT....KILLL ITTT

[Silanah]

anyhow, i've gotta go to work.

I'll try posting from there, but my supervisor got into a car accident yest, so God knows how much extra work i'll have to do now..

[Kaschan]

Silanah, on 07 April 2010 - 02:09 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 07 April 2010 - 02:06 PM, said:

Liosan, on 07 April 2010 - 01:52 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 07 April 2010 - 01:46 PM, said:

Leader role gets REALLY confusing after point 3 though... i gave up

The rules aren't that complicated. Since the majority of us are presumably roled (tis a role-heavy game) and our roles have a big impact on how the leaders roles work (and can easily end up getting us killed) I'm suspicious of people who haven't taken the time to make sure they understand correctly. Or at least appear that way on thread.

You really trying to tell me this is straight forward?

I really dont have to work this out...im not a leader im not going to bother.
I dont give a shit what you think but THIS

Path-Shaper, on 05 April 2010 - 02:28 PM, said:

3) If the player a leader is targeting for a night kill is targeted by another player on the night of the kill, the leader kills the targeting player instead. A 1) action's immune to the effects of 3), meaning that if the leader is already targeting someone not of his factions as made possible through 1), he'll ignore the effect of 3).

If several players target the player under 3), the one to act first is killed. So a Guard before a healer before a finder before a vig and so on.

If a leader dies the other two leaders are told the alts of the remaining members of that faction. Now, instead of targeting their own members they can chose one of that faction instead.


Leaders ignore the effects of guard and heal. However, a guard still count as a night action in regards to 1,2,3.

Is confusing. Even if i am a leader its STILL confusing.

wtf?

[b] vote Kaschan [/s]

seriously?

I said...even if i was a leader i think i would still be confused....are you daft or something?
Are you serious?...really?....pffft

[Kaschan]

let the bukkake session commence...my mouth is open...ready for "porting"

[Mockra]

I was about to comment that the lack of CF seemed to be a simple case of "waiting for papa-mod", but now I'm distracted by Kaschan who is either giving up or got fed up of my harassing.

[Kaschan]

how exactly have i given up?


im fed up with your shit thats for sure....but i dont get what your saying?

[Mockra]

"Even if I am a leader"? "Mouth is open"?

Anyways.

[Kaschan]

so i really do have to write like im talking to a bunch of retards...im sorry...i did not know.

here maybe this will help





now pretend its all one paragraph people...please all together now 1,2,3,potato

[Kaschan]

google "semantics" people...
although im not sure if you even know how to use google...mayeb first google "google" see if you can get the grasp of it and then try "semantics"




le sigh

[Sorrit]

There's some noob with a stupid name 'drinksinbars' viewing the thread. Isn't there some way to lock the thread against this?







edit: it's time for me to be off.

This post has been edited by Sorrit: 07 April 2010 - 03:01 PM

[Alkend]

Well more or less caught up now, although I kinda skimmed. Thats a pretty exciting day 1 I have to say. I'm not really sure where to start with all of that.

I am a little surprised Kaschan managed to pull so many votes though. So I guess looking at that train would be a start.

If I recall Serc was rather defending Kaschan earlier in the day when there was a couple votes on him, but at the end of the day he went for the hammer. So somewhere during the day he seemed to have a change of mind so I guess Serc's leader jumped onto the Kaschan train at some point?

[Telas]

Kaschan, you have an disturbing penchant for bukakke...

And how is the leader thing complicated?

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1) If the leader is targeted by a night action of an opposing faction the same night he chooses his victim, he will be able to kill any player the following night (Leader targets Ruse on night 1 but is simultaneously targeted by the enemy Fener. The following night, instead of killing Ruse, the leader can pick any player to kill)

Fairly straightforward. Leader draws NA targeting night, kills an opposing team member next night.

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2) If the leader is targeted by an enemy role the same night he uses his night kill, he is distracted from his purpose and his action fails. However, he will be able to commit a day kill the following day. The day kill comes into effect as soon as it's registered by a mod. A day kill does not end the day.

Again, straightforward. Leader gets hit killing night, failed kill, gets day kill instead.

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3) If the player a leader is targeting for a night kill is targeted by another player on the night of the kill, the leader kills the targeting player instead. A 1) action's immune to the effects of 3), meaning that if the leader is already targeting someone not of his factions as made possible through 1), he'll ignore the effect of 3).

A (leader) attacks B, C also attacks B. A kills C.
If B is not on his team, he'll kill B regardless. If he is, leader will kill C.

[Kaschan]

Alkend, on 07 April 2010 - 03:19 PM, said:

Well more or less caught up now, although I kinda skimmed. Thats a pretty exciting day 1 I have to say. I'm not really sure where to start with all of that.

I am a little surprised Kaschan managed to pull so many votes though. So I guess looking at that train would be a start.

If I recall Serc was rather defending Kaschan earlier in the day when there was a couple votes on him, but at the end of the day he went for the hammer. So somewhere during the day he seemed to have a change of mind so I guess Serc's leader jumped onto the Kaschan train at some point?

thats my thinking

and now silanah looks like he was just waiting for me to say "hello" so that he can have a reason to vote for me.
He seemed fairly confident from yesterday already i am not on his team with his 'wham bam thank you maam' vote, looks to be voting for me with seemingly hardly any thought really.
I'd say sil thinks im not on his team....now just I need to figure out HOW/WHY he thinks i am not...I must have done something to a leader or something im sure of it.

I have to go now will be back tomorrow and will have a look at the thread again and see if i can find anything...
cheers

[Kaschan]

Telas, on 07 April 2010 - 03:24 PM, said:

Kaschan, you have an disturbing penchant for bukakke...

sometimes it just feels like im that poor little chinese girl...what can i say

Telas, on 07 April 2010 - 03:24 PM, said:

And how is the leader thing complicated?

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1) If the leader is targeted by a night action of an opposing faction the same night he chooses his victim, he will be able to kill any player the following night (Leader targets Ruse on night 1 but is simultaneously targeted by the enemy Fener. The following night, instead of killing Ruse, the leader can pick any player to kill)

Fairly straightforward. Leader draws NA targeting night, kills an opposing team member next night.

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2) If the leader is targeted by an enemy role the same night he uses his night kill, he is distracted from his purpose and his action fails. However, he will be able to commit a day kill the following day. The day kill comes into effect as soon as it's registered by a mod. A day kill does not end the day.

Again, straightforward. Leader gets hit killing night, failed kill, gets day kill instead.

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3) If the player a leader is targeting for a night kill is targeted by another player on the night of the kill, the leader kills the targeting player instead. A 1) action's immune to the effects of 3), meaning that if the leader is already targeting someone not of his factions as made possible through 1), he'll ignore the effect of 3).

A (leader) attacks B, C also attacks B. A kills C.
If B is not on his team, he'll kill B regardless. If he is, leader will kill C.

I was refering to number 3 and further.
also you left some out...it continues after 3 and makes it even more confusing...i read it and i just end up staring blankly thinking...."why bother?"

[Telas]

Kaschan, on 07 April 2010 - 03:33 PM, said:

Telas, on 07 April 2010 - 03:24 PM, said:

Kaschan, you have an disturbing penchant for bukakke...

sometimes it just feels like im that poor little chinese girl...what can i say

Well, you can not ask people to fill your mouth with semen, for one...

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Telas, on 07 April 2010 - 03:24 PM, said:

And how is the leader thing complicated?

Quote

1) If the leader is targeted by a night action of an opposing faction the same night he chooses his victim, he will be able to kill any player the following night (Leader targets Ruse on night 1 but is simultaneously targeted by the enemy Fener. The following night, instead of killing Ruse, the leader can pick any player to kill)

Fairly straightforward. Leader draws NA targeting night, kills an opposing team member next night.

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2) If the leader is targeted by an enemy role the same night he uses his night kill, he is distracted from his purpose and his action fails. However, he will be able to commit a day kill the following day. The day kill comes into effect as soon as it's registered by a mod. A day kill does not end the day.

Again, straightforward. Leader gets hit killing night, failed kill, gets day kill instead.

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3) If the player a leader is targeting for a night kill is targeted by another player on the night of the kill, the leader kills the targeting player instead. A 1) action's immune to the effects of 3), meaning that if the leader is already targeting someone not of his factions as made possible through 1), he'll ignore the effect of 3).

A (leader) attacks B, C also attacks B. A kills C.
If B is not on his team, he'll kill B regardless. If he is, leader will kill C.

I was refering to number 3 and further.
also you left some out...it continues after 3 and makes it even more confusing...i read it and i just end up staring blankly thinking...."why bother?"

Well, that attitude is completely useless. It's a crucial game mechanic, that's why you should bother.

Here's what I didn't quote:

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If several players target the player under 3), the one to act first is killed. So a Guard before a healer before a finder before a vig and so on.

There is a pre-determined list for actions being resolved. So if a vig and guard attack, the guard dies and not the vig.

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If a leader dies the other two leaders are told the alts of the remaining members of that faction. Now, instead of targeting their own members they can chose one of that faction instead.

When the leader dies the other leaders find out who the remaining team members are, so it's open season.

Oh my God, that's so confusing my head just exploded.

This post has been edited by Telas: 07 April 2010 - 03:40 PM

[Liosan]

Kaschan, on 07 April 2010 - 03:33 PM, said:

I was refering to number 3 and further.
also you left some out...it continues after 3 and makes it even more confusing...i read it and i just end up staring blankly thinking...."why bother?"

After three it just says that the remaining leaders get the names of the people in a faction if it's leader is eliminated. The reason you'd bother is because there's a 1/3 chance that tonight your NA will kill you or give an enemy leader an advantage. Understanding how your NA interacts with the leader's is pretty important.