[Mockra]

Ampelas, on 07 April 2010 - 04:54 PM, said:

However it all hinged on the fact that we didn't get a CF for the modkill (and Mockra's delight in sucking Morgoth's balls), however now we have the CF. So my post went to waste.

However, this is still a pussy post. Mockra, stop sucking Morgoth's balls and grow a pair of your own.

The guy was tantruming all over the place, I was just trying to shut him up on some part which I thought was legitimate. I don't know how it feels on catch-up, but being live on thread with him was getting annoying. "The no-CF ruins one full day of my hard mafia work that I would otherwise have spent doing real work for half of humanity's benefit" or some other crap, puh-lease. I keep saying and highlighting every bit he says which sound forced.

[Ampelas]

Mate, if you think that's the most important thing to comment on at this point in the game, I suggest you read up the page a few posts.

[Mockra]

Hm, interesting stuff from the Tennes.

[Tennes]

Sure.

I'm pretty sure everyone is roled. I'm a finder. Since Kaschan wasn't lynched off yesterday, and I still wasn't entirely sure which team he was on, I had to figure out which team he was on.

As to "why reveal now," meh, why not? Sure, I may get hammered by NAs from Jason's team, but my leader may also target me tonight in anticipation of this. Could work out better for my team.

My role isn't really that integral to winning the game for my team. I see it as a useful tool for a few lynches, really.

[Mockra]

cross-post indeed.

What's there to expand? That's a finder reveal if I see one

vote Kaschan

[Ampelas]

How do you see a finder role as not being integral to the team?

[Mockra]

cross-post on my cross-post post

*implodes*

[Rashan]

Yummy finder is like a frosted badger.

Kaschan is still sounding extremely fake to Rashan's ears, especially with pretending to be confused with the rules. He fully supports the notion of lynching Kaschan to test the paucity of Tennes' reveal

[Tennes]

Because I can't do anything useful "for" my team.

I can't heal my team members from kills (and healer seems even more pointless IMO, because if you heal the wrong guy, you die from the leader killing you).
I can't block anybody on the other team from doing actions.
I can't vig, if such a role even exists.

I don't know what the other roles would be for a team, assuming 5/5/5/1, there are 4 roles on a team + the leader, so presumably finder/healer/guard/???, and if that mystery role is a vig, I'll eat my hat. Maybe if it was 6/6/6/1, but I doubt it with 5/5/5/1.

[Tennes]

All I can really do is figure out who my own team is, but even that is EXTREMELY dangerous thanks to:

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3) If the player a leader is targeting for a night kill is targeted by another player on the night of the kill, the leader kills the targeting player instead.

So if I'm trying to find my own team, I may end up dead as a result of it. It seems much more beneficial to find players on the other teams and just point them out. I could have done this for 2-3 days but again, why bother? I'd rather see how my leader reacts to this with his target in conjunction with other teams possibly picking me for NAs.

In fact, if I outright request my leader target me tonight for a kill tomorrow (assuming I wasn't picked last night for tonight's kill), then I would pretty much ensure that nobody is going to risk targeting me tonight, so I could probably get another NA in, at which point it may just be a sweet bluff if my leader didn't actually pick me.

I think that's a great reason to reveal with this role.

[Tennes]

What's great about this is that I know Jason's team has to lynch off Kaschan. Any attempt to outright reject my reveal or defend Kaschan is basically saying, "Hey, I'm Jason's team, too!"

For what it's worth, I actually was hoping I would end up on Jason's team, because he's my favorite horror movie killer But alas, it was not to be ;(

[Mockra]

The main question I can think of is whether you're telling the truth, but with a CF, if you have a plan I can't figure out what it can be.

[Tennes]

lol, if I'm not telling the truth, then clearly I have some other reason to think that he's not on my team and 'finder reveal' is the easy way to push the case. But c'mon, a reveal early Day 2? It's not like I'm looking to win the game tomorrow or anything. I'm not likely to make it more than a couple of days.

[Mockra]

Well, you revealed he was in Pinhead's team, not Pinhead himself. You're OK to sacrifice yourself to get a random opponent lynched?

[Telas]

If Kaschan is lynched and he does not come up Jason's team, then Tennes is fairly screwed, so in my eyes he has to have a good basis for revealing on Day 2.

I just see it as a clever way to give his team heaps of info vis-a-vis Jason's team, even if it means he'll probably bite the bullet. Bit of a defeatist attitude about the role though.

@Tennes, I'll be surprised if you survive the night. Leaders can't have a revealed finder walking around.

[Tennes]

Mockra, on 07 April 2010 - 05:48 PM, said:

Well, you revealed he was in Pinhead's team, not Pinhead himself. You're OK to sacrifice yourself to get a random opponent lynched?

I think you failed reading comprehension, lol. I said he's on Jason's team.

I'm OK taking the risk to get sacrificed, mostly because I think I'm going to be fine.

[Mockra]

Honestly I would have found the reveal iffier if pressure had been mounting on someone else before he did it. That was not the case, not that I could see anyways, so...

vote is in, not much to add, see you all later!

[Tennes]

Telas, on 07 April 2010 - 05:52 PM, said:

If Kaschan is lynched and he does not come up Jason's team, then Tennes is fairly screwed, so in my eyes he has to have a good basis for revealing on Day 2.

I just see it as a clever way to give his team heaps of info vis-a-vis Jason's team, even if it means he'll probably bite the bullet. Bit of a defeatist attitude about the role though.

@Tennes, I'll be surprised if you survive the night. Leaders can't have a revealed finder walking around.

Except the only 'leader' that can kill me tonight is my own and that's only if he picked me last night, unless actions last night allow them to move outside of that restriction tonight. It's a fair risk, IMO.

[Liosan]

Hmm, I'm not sure if Tennes' reveal was a good one or not, but there's only one way to deal with an outed player in a merc game

vote Kaschan

Edit - watching TV and playing mafia all at once makes for nonsense sentences.

This post has been edited by Liosan: 07 April 2010 - 06:04 PM

[Telas]

True, but with so many roles I imagine at least one leader got hit. No way to tell at this point though, and speculation is useless besides.

Anyway, I'm off.

Vote Kaschan

EDIT: x-post with Liosan

This post has been edited by Telas: 07 April 2010 - 06:03 PM