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Beezulbubba, on 17 July 2010 - 10:27 AM, said:

Heh heh . . . . fan boys.... polishing turds and proudly displaying it on the mantle.... you'll come around. One man's opinion is another's fuel for forum thread war.

Believe me, I wanted to like the movie.... especially since it was hyped as the true sequel to Predator. It fell way short of my expectations (my opinion). Categorize that as insane or "he doesn't know what he is talking about" or unrealistic expectations. Anyway, I thought the movie sucked. If you're a Predator franchise enthusiast, by all means go see the movie and decide for yourself.

Ah, the old "call people who disagree with me fanboys" style of debate. I'm far from a fanboy. I've never even seen the AvP movies, have seen part 2 maybe twice, and recognize the original as a slightly silly, vaguely homoerotic mindless action movie that's heavier on the bang bang then plot and simply a lot of fun. You, however, sound like the most butthurt of fanboys, somehow personally offended that the movie didn't meet your wildly unrealistic expectations.

The dogs were unnecessary but were in the movie for five minutes and didn't hurt a dman thing. The rape line was cringe worthy and also unnecesary, I agree with you. THe movie had some flaws. So did the original.

To say this was worse than Salvations or transformers 2 though is silly.

[Silencer]

@Beezulbubba - Ah now that's more like it! Justification my friend.

I can accept that. I think it was just a deliberate decision to make the whole Hunter motif more obvious. Perhaps a bad decision, perhaps not, that comes down to, as you say, opinion.

Personally, I really want an AvP movie set in space, in the future (Aliens timeline), with a decent, future re-usable character, that is about 3 hours long so you can build stuff up. In that sense, Predators was a step in the right direction, as we moved the action away from earth. Still short, but it's Predator, not Alien, so that's understandable.

Easiest way to do it, imo, is to have the Predators not show up for the first hour, hour and a half. That way you end up with Preds on-screen for the normal amount of time of a Predator movie, with the aliens being introduced (as facehuggers, ofc) up to an hour prior. Obviously the Preds can show up at the start if they were, for example, seeding a planet for the blooding rites (ala the first AvP book), but as long as they aren't involved for ages (given we have a real gestation period for the aliens, rather than 10 minutes) it's all gravy from there. I think. Needs more work though, ofc. XD

[lobo the wolfman]

Silencer, on 17 July 2010 - 11:18 PM, said:

Personally, I really want an AvP movie set in space, in the future (Aliens timeline), with a decent, future re-usable character, that is about 3 hours long so you can build stuff up. In that sense, Predators was a step in the right direction, as we moved the action away from earth. Still short, but it's Predator, not Alien, so that's understandable.

Just out of curiosity Slilencer, are you talking about using the story line out of the Aliens vs. Predator books series writen about ten years ago? Wiki Link

Cause l agree, watching a AVP movie like that would have been a lot better then the piles of shit they gave us instead.

[Silencer]

I think the AvP books are a good place to start. They're not perfect, but a shitload better than the movies. Personally I think there's some serious ass-pulls on the main character's part in those, but I guess not a lot more than some of the stuff Ripley manages, lol.

But that basic scenario is ideal, imo.

[Mezla PigDog]

Beezulbubba, on 16 July 2010 - 04:21 PM, said:

The plot was as thin as a ....well, a runway model getting ready for fashion week in NY.

* The Predators were unoriginal. Lets see, we'll give one a cyborg look, one will have a tribal/skull motif....stupid.
* The premise of dropping onto a game reserve planet a representative from each badass "gang": Yakuza, Merc, Special Ops, Mexican drug cartel....et. al. to be hunted was asinine.
* The idea of the Predator dogs and that they were released to flush out the "game" was silly. These are aliens who have technology far beyond anything we are familiar with. Why would the familiar "release the hounds for the hunt" be a technique they use? It felt like it was an idea that fell short. I got that feeling it was for CGI wow effects only.
* I never understood the purpose of the doctor character (played by the guy from That 70's Show). 1) wouldn't all the other bad-asses question why he was dropped onto the planet once they figured out they were being hunted for sport because of their "skills"? and 2) His role with the Predators didn't make sense. Did he help find new "game" for them or something?

Terminator Salvation was much better then this piece of crap.

Predators is on par with those pieces of crap Wolverine and Transformers 2

I agree with the doctor part but all of your other points are exactly why this movie is excellent mindless action entertainment. It's all a bit tongue in cheek. The premise of dropping a bunch of badasses from a load of stereotyped cultures from earth is the best thing about it! It opens the door for all kinds of macho stereotypical bullshit. Macho bullshit is kind of the point of Predator movies.

[blackzoid]

One thing about Predators I really really disliked was the constant use of the original music from the first film. That took me out of the experiance of watching the film. I kept on thinking that I would rather be at home watching the original than watching the new remake. The music amplified that thought.

To be honest I thought the film was ....ok. I liked the lead and the Russian actor. There was decent chemistry between some of the actors. For me, I would rate it as being better than the first AVP and Predator 2 but not as good as AVPR or Predator.. (Yes I know AVPR objectively is a really shitty film but I really liked the Predator storyline in it. The rest of the film was dire)

The problem with Predators is that its so similar in concept to the first film that it can't help but be compared to it. Much more than any of the other Predator films. Perhaps the film would work best for people who had never seen the original before?

[Silencer]

blackzoid, on 19 July 2010 - 02:48 PM, said:

One thing about Predators I really really disliked was the constant use of the original music from the first film. That took me out of the experiance of watching the film. I kept on thinking that I would rather be at home watching the original than watching the new remake. The music amplified that thought.

To be honest I thought the film was ....ok. I liked the lead and the Russian actor. There was decent chemistry between some of the actors. For me, I would rate it as being better than the first AVP and Predator 2 but not as good as AVPR or Predator.. (Yes I know AVPR objectively is a really shitty film but I really liked the Predator storyline in it. The rest of the film was dire)

The problem with Predators is that its so similar in concept to the first film that it can't help but be compared to it. Much more than any of the other Predator films. Perhaps the film would work best for people who had never seen the original before?

See, to me that just enhanced the film - associated it with the first film and made it something of a tribute. And I can't say I felt like I would rather be watching the first one during the movie - I did want to go and watch the original afterwards, but just because Predators put me back in the Predator mood.

I know what you're saying with the AVP:R thing, however I don't think that can carry the entire film to be better than Predators, it just didn't make up for the rest of it, to me. XD

And I do think the problem is you're comparing, rather than taking it as a tribute - an attempt to re-capture the magic. Perhaps it doesn't surpass the first, but it does bring you back to the first film by your own admission...and that I think is part of the point. And I dunno, people who've never seen Predator? Do they even exist? :S