[Mezla PigDog]

I went to see it this afternoon. It's ridiculous but highly entertaining. It is more or less a remake of the original without the sexual tyrannosaurs. Leave your brain at the door on the way in and treat it like watching a remake made by fans of the original and just have a laugh. The A-Team and Expendables back to back trailers before hand should get you just about ready for what's coming.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Saw it, I agree with Mezla. I was pleased, but expect no forthcoming Oscar nominations.

[Aristai]

Saw it yesterday too. It's not perfect, but light years ahead of the AVP shit. All in all, quality entertainment. Director did a sweet job.

[Beezulbubba]

Save your money and wait for it to come out on Dvd. Even then I would advise against Predators..... it sucks that much. By the way, was there a purpose to Laurence Fishburne's character?

Predators was the most kludged together piece of crap I have had the displeasure of waisting my money on. Enough with the "franchise reboots" Hollywood and time to start turning out some original (good) material..... friggan asshats!

So far my summer movies 2010 is 0 for 4

* Iron Man 2 = sucked
* Get Him to the Greek = meh
* A Team = sucked (except for the guy from District 9)
* Predators = emphatic suck!

I hope Inception will break this cycle. I've read and heard good things, so I have a good feeling about this one.

[Silencer]

Seriously? What on earth did you go in expecting?

And Fishburn's character was there so that it wasn't just Humans vs Predators, to show how nearly everyone taken is willing to do whatever it takes to survive, and to introduce the idea of killing predators, to get some exposition on them. Quite a lot of point that otherwise would have resulted in serious ass-pull ideas from the established cast, imo...

[masan's saddle]

Saw it tonight and really enjoyed it. As has already been stated this is not Oscar winning stuff, but to be fair neither was the original ! This was a high end sci-fi action flick with monsters, splosions, stabby stabby and decapitations. I think there was enough going on for a virgin viewer of the Pred world to enjoy. Those of us who love the original were always going to see this and I think Antal and Rodriguez did a good job of making it "their own" whilst creating a familiar vibe without being too derivative . Brody was excellent and did badass surprisingly well and for me his performance was a highlight.

A major lowpoint however was Trejo going out like a bitch, Homey got smoked like a fool.

I think there is enough for there to be some sort of follow up ( Possibility of a Pred civil war, survivors etc ), as long as they don't reintroduce Aliens !

Worth the admission fee, does what it says on the tin.

Quick question, during the original trailer there is a snippet of Royce (Brody) being tagged by about 20 of the Pred Tri/targeting'laserbeam/ thingies, didn't see it in the movie, or did I miss it ?

[Silencer]

Nope, that never happened. For once, a trailer that didn't actually give away all the awesome scenes! It may have just been deleted material, but that doesn't make sense as there quite simply weren't that many Predators around.

Couple of other things from the trailer(s) never took place, too, so you didn't miss anything.

[masan's saddle]

Yeh, I was a little peeved about that as I was expecting a scene similar to the one at the end of Pred 2 when the Preds materialize and freak Danny Glover out. I thought it was going to happen at the end but hey ho.

I was also vainly hoping that some of the "smaller" preds would turn out to be human, which if memory serves was what Rodriguez's original script from the 80's had going on. Acceptance for survivors into the warrior cult blah blah. I think they originally pitched a sequel to Arnie along these lines and he didn't want to know. I found the original sequel script somewhere( AVP website ?) and it was quite different to what I watched last night !

[Beezulbubba]

As bad as Predator 2 was, it was way much better then Predators. Give it a few years, this movie (Predators) will be thrown in the trash bin with the AVP titles... no one will care, and those that had the misfortune of seeing it will say to their friends "remember Predators? man was that a lump of shit"

I have never been impressed with Adrien Brody (see The Village). In Predators, his Christian Bale - Batman voice was annoying.

I was optimistic about Predators because it had Robert Rodriguez attached to it. Now my expectations for Machete have been lowered. .... booooo!

[Silencer]

Well, to be fair, if Predators takes a FEW YEARS to end up in the same level of opinion as AVP, then it surely has just outclassed those two, as most of the fanbase hated them from the get-go.

I still don't quite understand what you didn't like about it though, other than Brody's voice (which honestly didn't annoy me...it's not like he spent half the movie talking or anything).

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

HIs batman voice wasn't too bad, not as bad as Bale's was. I don't get where your hate is coming from. It wasn't an extrodinary film, but it was perfectly servicable. Better than many other modern scifi movies, like the new terminator, the wolverine movie, etc.

[Beezulbubba]

The plot was as thin as a ....well, a runway model getting ready for fashion week in NY.

* The Predators were unoriginal. Lets see, we'll give one a cyborg look, one will have a tribal/skull motif....stupid.
* The premise of dropping onto a game reserve planet a representative from each badass "gang": Yakuza, Merc, Special Ops, Mexican drug cartel....et. al. to be hunted was asinine.
* The idea of the Predator dogs and that they were released to flush out the "game" was silly. These are aliens who have technology far beyond anything we are familiar with. Why would the familiar "release the hounds for the hunt" be a technique they use? It felt like it was an idea that fell short. I got that feeling it was for CGI wow effects only.
* I never understood the purpose of the doctor character (played by the guy from That 70's Show). 1) wouldn't all the other bad-asses question why he was dropped onto the planet once they figured out they were being hunted for sport because of their "skills"? and 2) His role with the Predators didn't make sense. Did he help find new "game" for them or something?

Terminator Salvation was much better then this piece of crap.

Predators is on par with those pieces of crap Wolverine and Transformers 2

[Silencer]

Alright, let me take a minute to respond to your problems with it from my pov...

Beezulbubba, on 16 July 2010 - 04:21 PM, said:

The plot was as thin as a ....well, a runway model getting ready for fashion week in NY.
I take it you didn't much like the first Predator then? This, as I pointed out prior, is not meant to be Lord of the Rings, or the Malazan Book of the Fallen movie...plot isn't important, and if you went in expecting anything more than a basic, decent (as it was imo) plot, you were being unrealistic.

* The Predators were unoriginal. Lets see, we'll give one a cyborg look, one will have a tribal/skull motif....stupid.
As opposed to...? The Predators have an established culture and appearance, you can't stray to far from that, besides which, did you not notice that they were completely different under the masks? They even had different 'voices' to the traditional predators. And the masks were actually pretty original imo...did you see the Falconer one? He looked badass!
* The premise of dropping onto a game reserve planet a representative from each badass "gang": Yakuza, Merc, Special Ops, Mexican drug cartel....et. al. to be hunted was asinine.
Well, your opinion is your opinion, but to me it makes perfect sense. We have game preserves, don't we?
* The idea of the Predator dogs and that they were released to flush out the "game" was silly. These are aliens who have technology far beyond anything we are familiar with. Why would the familiar "release the hounds for the hunt" be a technique they use? It felt like it was an idea that fell short. I got that feeling it was for CGI wow effects only.
Because if you get butt-raped by the dogs, you really aren't worthy of being hunted by the Predators. Also keeps the prey on their feet, running scared - you learn more about them, too, if they stand and fight or try to evade, etc. And the CGI was hardly 'wow' effects, I thought they were fairly poorly integrated, but that didn't matter...
* I never understood the purpose of the doctor character (played by the guy from That 70's Show). 1) wouldn't all the other bad-asses question why he was dropped onto the planet once they figured out they were being hunted for sport because of their "skills"? and 2) His role with the Predators didn't make sense. Did he help find new "game" for them or something?
They did question it. Then they sort of went "Uh, yeah, well, BIGGER FISH TO FRY HERE" and got distracted by, y'know...survival? He had no role with the Predators. He was insane. He imagined himself helping them and becoming a part of their group, but in reality he was just another piece of meat to hunt. He was a delusional serial killer, dude, don't take what he says as gospel...
Oh, and his reason for being on the planet at all was as a different form of prey - no doubt he's racked up his own number of kills, which is probably what the Preds went on, and they said "hell, let's give this guy a shot see if he does something interesting".

Terminator Salvation was much better then this piece of crap.

Predators is on par with those pieces of crap Wolverine and Transformers 2
Probably because you either weren't paying attention in the cinema, or went in with waaaaaay huge expectations. Movies require a certain amount of Willing Suspension of Disbelief, and to be quite honest I found that this required less than the last two movies you mentioned, about the same as T:S, but was a much better film overall...

Anyway, I'm a fanboy of the franchise, but just in my opinion, you were expecting this to be some sort of multi-layered psych thriller or something...when the main point is Predators kicking ass and humans trying to survive. That's what it IS. You can't make it much better than the first one.

Basically, your disappointment had nothing to do with the quality of the film, and everything to do with your expectations.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Beezulbubba, on 16 July 2010 - 04:21 PM, said:

Terminator Salvation was much better then this piece of crap.

Predators is on par with those pieces of crap Wolverine and Transformers 2

You are insane. I don't wanna talk movies with you, you say crazy things.

[Aptorian]

Beezulbubba, on 16 July 2010 - 04:21 PM, said:

Predators is on par with [...] Transformers 2

That good, eh?

[Beezulbubba]

Heh heh . . . . fan boys.... polishing turds and proudly displaying it on the mantle.... you'll come around. One man's opinion is another's fuel for forum thread war.

Believe me, I wanted to like the movie.... especially since it was hyped as the true sequel to Predator. It fell way short of my expectations (my opinion). Categorize that as insane or "he doesn't know what he is talking about" or unrealistic expectations. Anyway, I thought the movie sucked. If you're a Predator franchise enthusiast, by all means go see the movie and decide for yourself.

[Silencer]

Personally I'd prefer to see your response to my points than my summary, but I'm beginning to think you're just a troll...

[MTS]

Debating a subjective opinion is pointless. He thought some parts were stupid and you didn't. Is there anything more to discuss?

I saw the movie and personally I thought it was fun. Someone was obviously sitting around watching the original and thought 'hey, wouldn't it be awesome to watch like Yakuza and Special Ops badasses fight Predators?' but it certainly kept me entertained. I don't begrudge paying the money at all.

Oh yeah, Danny Trejo did go out like a bitch. Disappointing.

This post has been edited by MTS: 17 July 2010 - 12:11 PM

[Silencer]

Yes - why he thought some parts were stupid. For example, I've suggested the Pred dogs did in fact have a purpose - a fairly logical supposition from where I'm sitting - and I'm wondering whether he disagrees (and why) or whether that possibility simply had not occurred to him.

Anything and everything is subjective, after all, when it comes to film, literature, politics, religion, etc, and yet we have full sections devoted to these because it's nice to see where someone else is coming from and perhaps shed new light on them. I'm personally still just surprised anyone could, almost offhandedly, dismiss this film like Beezulbubba did, and am trying to find out why.

But, as I said, I'm not even sure he's serious anymore, and suspect trolling...glad you enjoyed the film for what it was though, MTS.

[Beezulbubba]

Believe me, I'm not a troll. I come to this forum primarily to learn more about (and share with others) on the topic of the Mbotf series. I was introduced to the series by a buddy who consumes fantasy/sci-fi reading like a crack addict consumes..... well crack. Suffice it to say, I trust and respect his opinion so I decided to give the series a try. I am about 1/4 through the fourth book (House of Chains) and so far I think the series is awesome.


Anyway, to go tit for tat, back and forth on your points about the movie Predators is a waste of my time. With that said (and this will be the last bit of banter from me on this):

If you want to know my thoughts about the Predator dogs? Well, to me it was too easy. Why the familiar "hunting dogs / release the hounds" concept to flush out and test the game's mettle? Why not some bad-ass Predator spiders? or penguins? or bunnies? Why does it have to be some lower and trained form of animal at all? Why not a caste system amongst the Predators where the inexperienced earn their stripes by exhibiting how they gauge and measure the game. Anyway, I thought it was stupid and added little value to the overall story. This is my opinion now, so don't get too upset. I am entitled to my opinion (I think).

* Another reason the movie was dumb: when the maximum security prisoner opined about how when he got back home to earth, he was going to "rape a bunch of bitches". Whoever wrote that deserves an award.

As I stated, if you are a fan of the Predator properties / movies by all means go see Predators and decide for yourself. If nothing else, it has been a sweltering summer here, so two hours in an air conditioned theater with popcorn, a box of Goobers, and a Coke isn't all that bad. Handful of popcorn quickly followed by a handful of Goobers (and washed down with Coke) is something I think we all agree hits "The Ol' Spot".