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Art Request: The Huntress a Jaghut pinup :p

#41 User is offline   Illuyankas 

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Posted 15 January 2010 - 02:51 PM

No wonder the Jaghut family unit died out.

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Posted 15 January 2010 - 03:28 PM

I do have a huntress drawing started, but I doubt I can contribute, since my computer decided to do the millenium crash ten years too late and it doen't look like I'm going to get it fixed any time soon. Though if I can get someone to scan the drawing for me, I'll post it :D

And great stuff so far, Dolmen and Nobbs :D

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Posted 15 January 2010 - 03:59 PM

Okay, new tusks, I know they're not much bigger, but those massive things sticking out of Raest's face don't look right to me. Just an opinion.



Attached File  Jhag Huntress Big Tusks small.JPG (312.87K)
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Plus a close up of each version.



Attached File  Jhag HuntressFINAL closeup.JPG (132.16K)
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Did a couple of quick skulls (using my VERY limited knowledge of anatomy) just to get some idea of how they might work. Thought I'd post them as well.



Attached File  jaghut skull 1.jpg (70.64K)
Number of downloads: 4 Attached File  jaghut skull 2.jpg (69.57K)
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This post has been edited by Corporal Nobbs: 15 January 2010 - 04:42 PM

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Posted 15 January 2010 - 07:32 PM

View PostMalaclypse, on 15 January 2010 - 11:40 AM, said:

Yeah, I know - my post is misleading. I didn't include any quotes that imply the tusks coming out of the mouth but they do exist:

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Icarium said, smiling, the polished lower tusks sliding into view.
(BH)

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“A bold accusation,” said Ivindonos, his tusks bared in anger.

'bared' implies that they could be hidden from view.

and there's more, I'm just now choosing to ignore them ;p


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Posted 15 January 2010 - 08:43 PM

Look at a group of elephants or walrus - their tusks are neither the same size nor shape nor colour nor even growing in the same direction sometimes. Sometimes one individual can have two tusks of very different look.

Add that Jaghuts can 'style' their tusks with caps or whatever and there really need not be any hard/fast rule
about the size, shape or direction.

Iccy is Jhag, so his would likely be smaller than a pureblood Jaghut in any event. gender might also be a factor.

I like the pic with the caps added.

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Posted 15 January 2010 - 09:07 PM

Dammit, I turn my back for a few seconds and bam! two new contests...entries for this one are really good! So good luck to everyone :D


I, unfortunately, have Karpal Tunn....err, lost my drawing hand while playing Mott Irregular Roulette...seemed like a good idea at the time...
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Posted 16 January 2010 - 01:29 PM

Thanks Nobbs! I don't know which I prefer now...

View PostUrb, on 15 January 2010 - 02:39 PM, said:

perhaps there is a distinction between Jagh (sp?) and Jaghut, and SE is using the word tusks a bit loosely there (adding some poetic flavour to the sentence, emphasising how they are some massive fangs located on the lower mandible). I don't remember this Ivondonos though. Was he Jagh or Jaghut?


Ivindonos appeared in one of the chapter poem/excerpt things - he was Jaghut.

Right, more quotes then:

Quotes suggesting the tusks come from inside the mouth:

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Aramala in HoC: ‘She bared her tusks in something like a smile.’


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Raest in Toll: A face in shadows, pitted eye-sockets, a broad slash of mouth hinting at up-thrust tusks.


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Icarium said, smiling, the polished lower tusks sliding into view. (BH)



And now quotes that support theidea that Jaghut tusks protrude from the jaw below the mouth:

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Scenes in Icarias: They were tall, with skin the colour of lichen. Their lower jaws bore tusks that rose up to frame the thin-lipped mouths. (DoD)


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Icarium in Dust: Skin of dusty green, tusks framing its mouth.

And again: fingers brushing the tusks jutting from his lower jaw.


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Hood, in Toll: Tusks rising from the lower jaw, chipped and worn, the tips ragged and splintered.


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Male ‘Jaghut Anap’ in crazy cursed town in Toll: ‘an exceedingly tall, bluish-skinned man with massive, protruding tusks, curved like the horns of a ram to frame his bony face,’
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Bedusk Pall Kovuss Agape, who called himself a Jaghut Anap, was simply gigantic, likely weighing more than Mappo and at least a head and a half taller than the Trell. His skin was blue, a deeper hue than any Malazan Napan that Quell could recall seeing. The blue even seemed to stain the silver-tipped tusks jutting from his lower jaw.



edit: now that I put it all together, I think the tusks have to come from inside the mouth so...never mind about the alternative idea - although I do think it would look better :D

second edit: the only modern animal that has tusks anything like those described for the Jaghut is the warthog, pictured below:
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third edit, forgot about hippos :D
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Posted 16 January 2010 - 02:01 PM

Maybe the mouth has an extra ... I dunno ... stretchy bit at the corners to accommodate the tusks coming out from the base of the gums/jawline area, so as not to interfere with their speech articulation?

And to stop the otherwise inevitable drooling problem. Always a social faux pas. :D
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Posted 16 January 2010 - 05:40 PM

View PostSombra, on 16 January 2010 - 02:01 PM, said:

Maybe the mouth has an extra ... I dunno ... stretchy bit at the corners to accommodate the tusks coming out from the base of the gums/jawline area, so as not to interfere with their speech articulation?

And to stop the otherwise inevitable drooling problem. Always a social faux pas. :D



Well actually the Jaghut language accommodated the tusks - there is a reference for that when Ganath talks to Paran in BH - she says that he pronounces Jaghut speech the way an Imass would if he had bothered to learn it or a Jaghut whose tusks had been pulled. :D


View PostGrimhilde, on 15 January 2010 - 09:07 PM, said:

Dammit, I turn my back for a few seconds and bam! two new contests...entries for this one are really good! So good luck to everyone :p


I, unfortunately, have Karpal Tunn....err, lost my drawing hand while playing Mott Irregular Roulette...seemed like a good idea at the time...


Ouch! I'm sorry to hear that Grimhilde - after seeing your Fener picture I think you could have done a great version of a Jaghut too. Hope it heals soon.
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Posted 16 January 2010 - 09:08 PM

@Nobbs

The problem is...you have a gollum-like woman, with strange pointy looking teeth coming out of her bottom jaw...the "tusks" just don't look like they fit the picture.
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Posted 17 January 2010 - 08:15 PM

View PostHetan, on 16 January 2010 - 05:40 PM, said:

View PostSombra, on 16 January 2010 - 02:01 PM, said:

Maybe the mouth has an extra ... I dunno ... stretchy bit at the corners to accommodate the tusks coming out from the base of the gums/jawline area, so as not to interfere with their speech articulation?

And to stop the otherwise inevitable drooling problem. Always a social faux pas. ^_^



Well actually the Jaghut language accommodated the tusks - there is a reference for that when Ganath talks to Paran in BH - she says that he pronounces Jaghut speech the way an Imass would if he had bothered to learn it or a Jaghut whose tusks had been pulled. :pirate:


View PostGrimhilde, on 15 January 2010 - 09:07 PM, said:

Dammit, I turn my back for a few seconds and bam! two new contests...entries for this one are really good! So good luck to everyone ^_^


I, unfortunately, have Karpal Tunn....err, lost my drawing hand while playing Mott Irregular Roulette...seemed like a good idea at the time...


Ouch! I'm sorry to hear that Grimhilde - after seeing your Fener picture I think you could have done a great version of a Jaghut too. Hope it heals soon.


Aww, thank you:)



I did a Jaghut a while back, Ganath to be exact. Dye her hair and remove her harness and voila: The Huntress :)

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 12:53 AM

The second picture and second Skull look more likely for me.
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Posted 19 January 2010 - 11:24 AM

Problem with tusks is, that the lower jawline has to protrude in front of the upper jawline in order for the tusks to not look like glued on mockups. The whole skull needs to look different from the human skull. An alternative would be to have the tusks thrust forward from a 'normal' lower jaw and then curve upward. But clearly that's not the case, thus it should be the first possibility. As I see it, the problem in Nobb's huntress is, that her skull is human-like and the lower jaw drawn back too far. Even if you assume that the tusks can be covered by the upper lips, the whole jaw area cannot be so drawn back like the human jaw is, it has to protrude as a whole and especially the lawer jawline.

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 05:51 AM

hi. haven't posted any art here in a while.

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The tusks were a nightmare and i'm still extremely unhappy with them. Semi-sidestepped issue by making them difficult to see in the full version.
This probably isn't the final version. There's tons of minor finishing up to do if i can find the time/inclination. I forgot the silver caps too, whoops.
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Posted 20 January 2010 - 08:40 AM

Welcome back Spin, you have been missed :pirate:
That's is pretty damned sweet!.. and yeah - I understand your point re the difficulty of the tusks with or without silver caps - it' the same problem as Nobbs and Puck have already mentioned.
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Posted 20 January 2010 - 09:35 AM

Nice, Spin.

Actually, she's kinda hot. :pirate:

Although I couldn't help thinking of Benny from Looking For Group. Who is difficult to find in a single picture of decent size showing her tusks.

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 05:35 PM

...and then Spindrift came and blew us all out of the water...


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Posted 20 January 2010 - 07:11 PM

Spindrift, amazing. I just want to see more Malazan-inspired art the more I see of the calibre in these posts.
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Posted 20 January 2010 - 11:14 PM

View PostSpindrift, on 20 January 2010 - 05:51 AM, said:

hi. haven't posted any art here in a while.

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The tusks were a nightmare and i'm still extremely unhappy with them. Semi-sidestepped issue by making them difficult to see in the full version.
This probably isn't the final version. There's tons of minor finishing up to do if i can find the time/inclination. I forgot the silver caps too, whoops.



Fantastic!

she is hot as well :p
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Posted 21 January 2010 - 12:33 AM

That's one of the best pics i've seen yet, I can almost feel the wind whipping across the plain.

Brilliant piece of work.

Should come a close second behind Bubba's :p
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