[Olar Ethil]

and, sadly, the <br> prblem persissts in the IP. Board skin,

This post has been edited by Olar Ethil: 11 December 2009 - 03:41 AM

[Rashan]

Korbas, on 10 December 2009 - 10:36 PM, said:

Not good enough, mate.
I will tell a tad bit of what I can do.

I can switch the targets of night actions.
I pick two people, and whatever targets the one, instead targets the other, and vice versa. The second I saw the role, I knew this would be a perfect trap to catch me a scum, if I was lucky and dared to play high profile. As you will see upon reading back, in my first post, I picked Kalse to vote for. He was convenient, for he was around already.
I then got into a pissing match with Spite, also very convenient to raise my profile and make killers read back on me. I hinted left and right at knowledge, and knew people would read back on me, and conclude I was someone who knows a viper.

Last night, I picked Kalse and Karatallid to exchange as targets.
Karatallid was a convenient target, as he and I had gotten into a shouting match on whether or not the Vipers knew one another - he said they did, I said they didn't. More ways to portray me as someone in the know.

Now, what happens today?
I see a case against Kalse.
Karatallid comes on and reveals he was the target of a kill.

Bingo. It isn't too hard to connect the dots, now is it?

So you are saying, because Kalse was the target of a Kill, and because Sorrit came after Kalse, that makes Sorrit a probable bride/assassin?

Just want to make sure.

[Barghast]

Path-Shaper, on 11 December 2009 - 03:04 AM, said:

I've had some issues loading the forums at home, but I'm not entirely sure it's not my browser. Chrome has been going nuts for me lately.

The forums seem to be loading fine now. Not sure what it was.

[Alkend]

Kalse, on 11 December 2009 - 03:22 AM, said:

anyways, its a shame korbas logged off because i really wanna know, if he targeted me and Karatallid last night... WHO DID HE PICK NIGHT 1???????!!!!!!

Errr why would you want him to reveal this? i dont see how it helps people, as if he did pick the target of a kill the the other person obviosly had a BP which is why the kill didnt go through but now that target would theoretically be vulnerable, so it seems a bad idea to me to try and out this person. I can sort of see some merit in that a guard or a healer would be able to find out who they actually targeted but the possibility of outing someone who's down one BP makes it not worth it imo.

[Barghast]

Rashan, on 11 December 2009 - 03:49 AM, said:

Korbas, on 10 December 2009 - 10:36 PM, said:

Not good enough, mate.
I will tell a tad bit of what I can do.

I can switch the targets of night actions.
I pick two people, and whatever targets the one, instead targets the other, and vice versa. The second I saw the role, I knew this would be a perfect trap to catch me a scum, if I was lucky and dared to play high profile. As you will see upon reading back, in my first post, I picked Kalse to vote for. He was convenient, for he was around already.
I then got into a pissing match with Spite, also very convenient to raise my profile and make killers read back on me. I hinted left and right at knowledge, and knew people would read back on me, and conclude I was someone who knows a viper.

Last night, I picked Kalse and Karatallid to exchange as targets.
Karatallid was a convenient target, as he and I had gotten into a shouting match on whether or not the Vipers knew one another - he said they did, I said they didn't. More ways to portray me as someone in the know.

Now, what happens today?
I see a case against Kalse.
Karatallid comes on and reveals he was the target of a kill.

Bingo. It isn't too hard to connect the dots, now is it?

So you are saying, because Kalse was the target of a Kill, and because Sorrit came after Kalse, that makes Sorrit a probable bride/assassin?

Just want to make sure.

Poor reading comprehension today? He even states later that he thinks they are at best a symp. Not sure why he thinks this is worth revealing his abilities over when there is plenty of time to to try and manufacture a lynch through other means though.

Korbas, on 10 December 2009 - 11:07 PM, said:

Liosan, on 10 December 2009 - 11:03 PM, said:

I am off to bed, but just before I go, you are saying that we should be looking at who would have targeted Kalse?

I am not too sure about your suspicions of Sorrit, as I would have thought a killer would have more sense than to immediately make a case against the person he had targeted the night before. Not really sure what he would gain from doing that, especially as it would arouse the suspicion of the person who had been targeted the previous night.

Furthermore, why do you say you/the Bride without a mention of the assassin? Is there any reason you think it was the bride attacking?

I do not suspect him to be the Bride, more likely a henchman like Hattori.
But as I have been behaving as if Kalse is a Viper, it would be logical for the Bride to try, and for the Assassin to leave him alone (because why do the Bride's work for her?)

The timing on this entire thing seems so off that I can't say I am sold on the reveal, or the conclusions drawn from it either.

[Barghast]

And yes, after the day I had I am feeling ornery, sarcasm and condescension will be rampant in any posts I make tonight.

[Path-Shaper]

I'll be a bit spotty for the next hour or so, just FYI.

[Mockra]

I'm here now, and obviousl korbas needs to come back and answer some questions, but it seems he signs on about when I'm going to bed unfortunately.

And FYI, I'm nobodies symp.



Glad I could clear that up.

[Kalse]

Alkend, on 11 December 2009 - 04:01 AM, said:

Kalse, on 11 December 2009 - 03:22 AM, said:

anyways, its a shame korbas logged off because i really wanna know, if he targeted me and Karatallid last night... WHO DID HE PICK NIGHT 1???????!!!!!!

Errr why would you want him to reveal this? i dont see how it helps people, as if he did pick the target of a kill the the other person obviosly had a BP which is why the kill didnt go through but now that target would theoretically be vulnerable, so it seems a bad idea to me to try and out this person. I can sort of see some merit in that a guard or a healer would be able to find out who they actually targeted but the possibility of outing someone who's down one BP makes it not worth it imo.

because standard scum tactics would dictate that when their kill night 1 failed, they'd attack the same person again on the idea that the person had a BP and was important. but clearly they're not doing that, so maybe korbas can help answer why?

[Olar Ethil]

Well, night 1 scene would suggest that the Bride withheld a kill anyhow.

i'm not sure if i'm sold on the "sorritt's attacking Kalse, b/c he targetted him" type of logic, though. afaik, if scum fails to kill someone, thya just kill that person the next night.

[Olar Ethil]

also, for the record, I don't think it's fair to call Day 1 a "derailed Fener lynch"--at no piont was there ever a concrete chance of lynching him.

[Olar Ethil]

hmm
looking back, no one supported Sorrit in voting Kalse.

this makes me think that Kalse is, at most the Assasin.

Thiking about who the Bride can be, i'm becoming very interested in GL--a bunch of his posts can be read as not-so-subtle signalling, and Rashan seems to be fairly keen to follow his trains of thought, while being kind of all over the place.

and the whole meta-search for the bride based on timing of the daykill... stinks of scum being the most vocal in looking for scum.

[Barghast]

Olar Ethil, on 11 December 2009 - 04:36 AM, said:

also, for the record, I don't think it's fair to call Day 1 a "derailed Fener lynch"--at no piont was there ever a concrete chance of lynching him.

I agree, even for a day one case it was crap.

Olar Ethil, on 11 December 2009 - 04:35 AM, said:

Well, night 1 scene would suggest that the Bride withheld a kill anyhow.

i'm not sure if i'm sold on the "sorritt's attacking Kalse, b/c he targetted him" type of logic, though. afaik, if scum fails to kill someone, thya just kill that person the next night.

The night one scene does suggest that she did, but we have two attempts unaccounted for even if we believe Kara and Korbas.

[Kalse]

Olar Ethil, on 11 December 2009 - 04:43 AM, said:

hmm
looking back, no one supported Sorrit in voting Kalse.

this makes me think that Kalse is, at most the Assasin.

Thiking about who the Bride can be, i'm becoming very interested in GL--a bunch of his posts can be read as not-so-subtle signalling, and Rashan seems to be fairly keen to follow his trains of thought, while being kind of all over the place.

and the whole meta-search for the bride based on timing of the daykill... stinks of scum being the most vocal in looking for scum.

wait what? im the assassin? if you believe korabs, then i was being tagetted by a kill last night. if im the assassin, then that event is 50% less likely than for anyone else. so, uh, what are you basing this on there olar?

[Alkend]

Kalse, on 11 December 2009 - 04:29 AM, said:

Alkend, on 11 December 2009 - 04:01 AM, said:

Kalse, on 11 December 2009 - 03:22 AM, said:

anyways, its a shame korbas logged off because i really wanna know, if he targeted me and Karatallid last night... WHO DID HE PICK NIGHT 1???????!!!!!!

Errr why would you want him to reveal this? i dont see how it helps people, as if he did pick the target of a kill the the other person obviosly had a BP which is why the kill didnt go through but now that target would theoretically be vulnerable, so it seems a bad idea to me to try and out this person. I can sort of see some merit in that a guard or a healer would be able to find out who they actually targeted but the possibility of outing someone who's down one BP makes it not worth it imo.

because standard scum tactics would dictate that when their kill night 1 failed, they'd attack the same person again on the idea that the person had a BP and was important. but clearly they're not doing that, so maybe korbas can help answer why?

off the top of my head it could be that the first target was Tellan so the next day he died so they changed target. I see what your saying in that they could have changed target because they thought that their first target was a team member but considering that the Bride got a sword on night one its unlikely they killed anyone so it would be an assassin who probably doesnt have any team mates. Therefore Korbas revealing his targets would probably do more harm than good.
Now im going to bed as im far to drunk to talk sense

[Barghast]

Olar Ethil, on 11 December 2009 - 04:43 AM, said:

hmm
looking back, no one supported Sorrit in voting Kalse.

this makes me think that Kalse is, at most the Assasin.

Thiking about who the Bride can be, i'm becoming very interested in GL--a bunch of his posts can be read as not-so-subtle signalling, and Rashan seems to be fairly keen to follow his trains of thought, while being kind of all over the place.

and the whole meta-search for the bride based on timing of the daykill... stinks of scum being the most vocal in looking for scum.

Care to elaborate on the Gl/Rashan part? The point in Gl's posts I found odd was his remove of a vote on Spite to vote Rashan.

[Alkend]

Kalse, on 11 December 2009 - 04:47 AM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 11 December 2009 - 04:43 AM, said:

hmm
looking back, no one supported Sorrit in voting Kalse.

this makes me think that Kalse is, at most the Assasin.

Thiking about who the Bride can be, i'm becoming very interested in GL--a bunch of his posts can be read as not-so-subtle signalling, and Rashan seems to be fairly keen to follow his trains of thought, while being kind of all over the place.

and the whole meta-search for the bride based on timing of the daykill... stinks of scum being the most vocal in looking for scum.

wait what? im the assassin? if you believe korabs, then i was being tagetted by a kill last night. if im the assassin, then that event is 50% less likely than for anyone else. so, uh, what are you basing this on there olar?

ok just to point out that 50% is absolute bullshit unless both the assassin and the Bride are using random number generators to find their kills, even then it might not be totally right

[Olar Ethil]

ok, so today GL's been pretty much all over the Assasin, than said we should be looking for the Bride, then admitted his "case" on Liosan has goten weaker and makes less sense.

so, in short, he's said a lot about nothing, but made himself seem like he was really participating.

hmm, you know, doing the re-read, it strikes me as really odd that on Day 1 Rashan makes a "lac of serious posts" case on GL, GL goes all snarky back at him, and now it's Day 3, and Rash is looking to GL for guidance.

Vote Galayn Lord

your contribution today amounted to nothing, and I think you're hiding in plain site.

[Kalse]

Alkend, on 11 December 2009 - 04:47 AM, said:

Kalse, on 11 December 2009 - 04:29 AM, said:

Alkend, on 11 December 2009 - 04:01 AM, said:

Kalse, on 11 December 2009 - 03:22 AM, said:

anyways, its a shame korbas logged off because i really wanna know, if he targeted me and Karatallid last night... WHO DID HE PICK NIGHT 1???????!!!!!!

Errr why would you want him to reveal this? i dont see how it helps people, as if he did pick the target of a kill the the other person obviosly had a BP which is why the kill didnt go through but now that target would theoretically be vulnerable, so it seems a bad idea to me to try and out this person. I can sort of see some merit in that a guard or a healer would be able to find out who they actually targeted but the possibility of outing someone who's down one BP makes it not worth it imo.

because standard scum tactics would dictate that when their kill night 1 failed, they'd attack the same person again on the idea that the person had a BP and was important. but clearly they're not doing that, so maybe korbas can help answer why?

off the top of my head it could be that the first target was Tellan so the next day he died so they changed target. I see what your saying in that they could have changed target because they thought that their first target was a team member but considering that the Bride got a sword on night one its unlikely they killed anyone so it would be an assassin who probably doesnt have any team mates. Therefore Korbas revealing his targets would probably do more harm than good.
Now im going to bed as im far to drunk to talk sense

okay yeah, i can see, hmm, even though she got the sword i thought that was more of just a plot-scene (because that's like the first thing she does in the movies is get the sword). still, there'd be an assassin attempted kill wouldnt there have been?

[Alkend]

errrr thats what i said, that it would have been an assassins kill and as they probably dont have team mates, that reason for them changing targets is gone.

and now i really need to go :S