[Shadow]

Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap!

[Korbas]

Liosan, on 10 December 2009 - 08:40 PM, said:

I think we are all waiting for Sorrit to actually post something.

Either he logged or he went invisible... don't see him anymore.

[Shadow]

I assume he is doing an Advanced Google Search on 'Some way out of this mess.'

[Korbas]

Shadow, on 10 December 2009 - 08:45 PM, said:

I assume he is doing an Advanced Google Search on 'Some way out of this mess.'

I bet that one reads: 'if all else fails, self-vote.'

[Shadow]

So it has been at least 30 minutes since he was sighted. No response. How enlightening.

[Korbas]

Im westen nichts neues?

[Korbas]

Shadow, on 10 December 2009 - 09:03 PM, said:

So it has been at least 30 minutes since he was sighted. No response. How enlightening.

that was a cross-post, and I'd say guilty as charged, but who knows, his house might be on fire.

[Karatallid]

Well, I for one have shit to do. Take it for what its worth. I really hate how Korbas and Shadow are pushing so very hard so early. But I will wait to point fingers until Sorrit responds. Back later.

[Korbas]

Karatallid, on 10 December 2009 - 09:11 PM, said:

Well, I for one have shit to do. Take it for what its worth. I really hate how Korbas and Shadow are pushing so very hard so early. But I will wait to point fingers until Sorrit responds. Back later.

You could ask questions, you know...

[Shadow]

Karatallid, on 10 December 2009 - 09:11 PM, said:

Well, I for one have shit to do. Take it for what its worth. I really hate how Korbas and Shadow are pushing so very hard so early. But I will wait to point fingers until Sorrit responds. Back later.

Waiting for a response when you know someone is online and left without posting anything (generally called lurking) is pushing hard?

I'm not asking anyone to vote for him. I put my case out there, and think it is reinforced by his play (or lack of) when we knew he was online.

I notice you did not confirm for me that you think the Bride's faction is Barghast, Mockra, Kalse (instead of Rashan). Is that right?

[Korbas]

Sorrit, I can see you again. Are you going to post this time around?

[Sorrit]

Korbas, on 10 December 2009 - 10:04 PM, said:

Sorrit, I can see you again. Are you going to post this time around?

Yes, I am. Sorry about before, I had about 10 minutes and didn't have time to post anything.

[Path-Shaper]

Galayn Lord, on 10 December 2009 - 06:48 PM, said:

OK, 'twas Eloth.

Thanks for that clarification, you are correct, tired mod that just woke up was... tired

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 26 hours and 55 minutes remain.

16 players still alive: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kalse, Karatallid, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Rashan, Shadow, Sorrit

9 votes are required to lynch.

1 Vote Kalse (Sorrit)
1 Vote Liosan (Galayn Lord)
2 Votes Sorrit (Shadow, Korbas)
1 Vote Shadow (Kalse)
1 Vote Barghast (Karatallid)

Players who have not voted: 16 players still alive: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Liosan, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Rashan

---

Caught up and I think the vote count is correct.

[Sorrit]

Shadow, on 10 December 2009 - 07:20 PM, said:

Vote Sorrit
For what I posted yesterday, and an utter lack of changing what he/she is doing.
Why did the thread get stuck up in FM discussion for hours? Sorrit. Who kept the pissing match going on day 1? Sorrit.
Then who gets on today, makes the 'guilty trying to sound inno' "Oh gosh another viper gone!" statement, then creates a case on one person, which although I don't agree with, isn't "too" bad. Then says 'oh and Barghast for the same reasons'. Excuse me?


Another person I think is 'icky' is Olar Ethil, for the same reason as Sorrit.



See how pointless and stupid that is? If you make a case on someone, you don't then say 'oh this person is doing the same thing, so I'm willing to vote them too, but I wont even mention them except for a throw-away line.'


I guess my case is this: Who is sowing confusion all over the place? Sorrit. Who benefits from a lot of confusion? The Bride or the Assassin. Both of whom have to die. You all know that the person who first brings up the 'what if...' statement is generally the person that has that role. When was there ever mention of FM anywhere? How would a FM work in Kill Bill? I noticed someone mentioned this directly to Sorrit earlier, but if there was a response to it, I missed it.

@Rashan - I freely admit that the first day spam, and then the fact that I keep missing anything happening sucks. Do I think it merits a vote? Not really, but hey, that vote is on me so of course I am going to say I don't want it there!

OK, if you'll recall, I did spend the second half of yesterday admitting that I thought we'd discussed the FM possibility (which given the lack of kill last night, now seems even more unlikely) for long enough and needed to move away from it. I wasn't out to sow confusion, I was out to keep people alive to the possibilities. I have never seen either of the two Kill Bill films, so I had no idea whether there were any characters that would fit the part. Unfortunately it was a slow day and people ran a bit too much with it.

Regarding "And I suspect Barghast too" part. I had been considering who I felt was more suspicious out of Kalse and Barghast before I made that post. I was torn - it seems likely to me that one of them is scum. I went with Kalse because I felt his post displayed the care and attention I'd expect from someone playing a scum role and loving it, but in the back of my mind I still thought it might be Barghast, hence the line.

If you can show me where I was fanning the flames of the Tellan/Spite blow up, please do. I definitely commented a few times, and got some responses from Spite, but I don't see how I "kept the pissing match going" as you state.

[Sorrit]

Korbas, on 10 December 2009 - 08:28 PM, said:

Quote

Another viper gone .

As Galayn Lord pointed out, the possibility of going after a viper seems to be a monkey on people's backs, which makes it less likely that other cases are going to be pushed all that hard. After 3-4 votes were put on, it became almost inevitable that a lynch was going to happen. However, this train does give us some information to work with.

The fact that the train was built on a player who had said that he wouldn't be back until deadline could be important - it's much easier to build up momentum on a case when your target isn't around to defend himself, after all. For that reason, I'm a little suspicious of Kalse - he was the one who kicked things off with his vote.

Kalse, on 10 December 2009 - 05:10 AM, said:

well after extensive rereading and nodding off a few times, i dont like any of the main candidates so far. fener may be angry and shouty but in this case he was right to be pissed about people putting words in his mouth. words of straw. and i cant see how that makes for a vote-worthy reaction if its justified like that.

The entire Barghast train is based solely on a single post point wherein he came back all righteous and over-reactive after Spite's death-by reveal, which may not be the most open-minded kind of reaction, but it's one post and doesn't paint him as scum solely by that. I need more to go on than that.

The closest thing to a believable case I can see is Tellan, who has alternated from joining into pissing contests to later trying to be the voice of reasoning. Despite the new logical tone of voice, he's still over-exerting himself in trying to push a case on Mockra that amounts to little more than "he made a stupid suggestion". This tunnel-visioned offensive, whilst trying to achieve a more sheep-inducing style of argument, seems to me to be the most likely voice of scum from amongst the current bunch. More likely a supporting scum and not the Bride herself, but it's all I can see at the moment and I'd like to give Tellan more exposure than just that single pseudo-OMGUS vote from Mockra. Therefore,

Vote Tellan

and with that im signing off for the evening as i have plenty of work to do before i hop into bed in a few hours. rest assured i sincerely doubt ill get up in the mid of the night to be on before the deadline. night!

Note that he says that he's unlikely to be around before deadline. This casts the seeds of doubt about time pressure in people's minds. The pretext is that he wants to give Tellan more exposure, but what he essentially did was set him up for a lynch. He knew Tellan wasn't going to be back, so he set the ball rolling in the hope of thinning the ranks of the town.

I'll have a look at some of Kalse's other posts later, but for now I'm going to drop a vote.

Vote Kalse


Note that I also find Barghast suspicious for similar reasons.

So, Sorrit, did you go and have that look?

Vote Sorrit.

because not only do I happen to agree wholeheartedly with Shadow, I also suspect you are scum building a case on the guy you/the Bride failed to kill last night.

I came online after the lynch, looked at what happened, and played it as I saw it. Still need to go and have that look back through things. It does strike me as odd that he's leaping to my defence though...

[Korbas]

Not good enough, mate.
I will tell a tad bit of what I can do.

I can switch the targets of night actions.
I pick two people, and whatever targets the one, instead targets the other, and vice versa. The second I saw the role, I knew this would be a perfect trap to catch me a scum, if I was lucky and dared to play high profile. As you will see upon reading back, in my first post, I picked Kalse to vote for. He was convenient, for he was around already.
I then got into a pissing match with Spite, also very convenient to raise my profile and make killers read back on me. I hinted left and right at knowledge, and knew people would read back on me, and conclude I was someone who knows a viper.

Last night, I picked Kalse and Karatallid to exchange as targets.
Karatallid was a convenient target, as he and I had gotten into a shouting match on whether or not the Vipers knew one another - he said they did, I said they didn't. More ways to portray me as someone in the know.

Now, what happens today?
I see a case against Kalse.
Karatallid comes on and reveals he was the target of a kill.

Bingo. It isn't too hard to connect the dots, now is it?

[Liosan]

I am off to bed, but just before I go, you are saying that we should be looking at who would have targeted Kalse?

I am not too sure about your suspicions of Sorrit, as I would have thought a killer would have more sense than to immediately make a case against the person he had targeted the night before. Not really sure what he would gain from doing that, especially as it would arouse the suspicion of the person who had been targeted the previous night.

Furthermore, why do you say you/the Bride without a mention of the assassin? Is there any reason you think it was the bride attacking?

[Korbas]

Liosan, on 10 December 2009 - 11:03 PM, said:

I am off to bed, but just before I go, you are saying that we should be looking at who would have targeted Kalse?

I am not too sure about your suspicions of Sorrit, as I would have thought a killer would have more sense than to immediately make a case against the person he had targeted the night before. Not really sure what he would gain from doing that, especially as it would arouse the suspicion of the person who had been targeted the previous night.

Furthermore, why do you say you/the Bride without a mention of the assassin? Is there any reason you think it was the bride attacking?

I do not suspect him to be the Bride, more likely a henchman like Hattori.
But as I have been behaving as if Kalse is a Viper, it would be logical for the Bride to try, and for the Assassin to leave him alone (because why do the Bride's work for her?)

[Korbas]

Liosan, on 10 December 2009 - 11:03 PM, said:

I am off to bed, but just before I go, you are saying that we should be looking at who would have targeted Kalse?

I am not too sure about your suspicions of Sorrit, as I would have thought a killer would have more sense than to immediately make a case against the person he had targeted the night before. Not really sure what he would gain from doing that, especially as it would arouse the suspicion of the person who had been targeted the previous night.

Furthermore, why do you say you/the Bride without a mention of the assassin? Is there any reason you think it was the bride attacking?

Also, what if the kill bounced due to a heal? The target would be none the wiser. Same if the killer was guarded. In this case, Kalse reported nothing - Kara did - and the killer(s) knew they hadn't targeted Karatallid.