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Kalse - someone else asked 'what character would an FM be in a Kill Bill game?', not me. And Kalse, if you wish to vote for me based on the fact I can't be on as much as some, come out and say it instead of hiding behind what you assume are niceties. Have a lovely bag of dicks on your wedding night!
Rashan - actually, i would say it is higher now than when it was suggested, but that is opening a whole big large can of worms.
Karatallid - so you claim to have lost a BP last night? The problem is that there is no way to verify this, as there is no way to verify if you get healed tonight, is there? The problem is that we cannot be sure you are not the Assassin or Bride. I wouldn't think there would be a lot of BP's in a Kill Bill game unless you are quite the powerful character. Now my head hurts.
Mafia 55 - Kill Bill Game Thread
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Posted 10 December 2009 - 08:14 PM
Liosan, on 10 December 2009 - 08:01 PM, said:
Hmmm Rashan are you a little confused about the case? GL's case seems to imply he would think I am the Bride rather than the Assassin, since the first occasion was based on supposing the Bride was on to PM pathshaper to kill off Spite.
I admit my two cases are not adding to each other, since yesterday you were the Bride, today the Assassin.
Rashan, on 10 December 2009 - 08:03 PM, said:
@ Gaylyn Lord- I kept meaning to bring this up, but kept getting sidetracked. After our little spat day 1 you pretty much dropped it. Some people brought up the fact that you had quite the overeaction to my Day 1 crap case on you. You haven't mentioned it since. Did I do something that made you drop it? Or were you just trying to get a train started against me?
I admit a bit of over-reaction because you pissed me off.
As for not mentioning since, the main "non-pissed" part of my comment is this :
Rashan, on 08 December 2009 - 05:37 PM, said:
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Does it seem like Korbas is trying to push us off looking for the Bride. Subtley redirecting conversation back over to the assassin?
Korbas, on 08 December 2009 - 12:13 PM, said:
I dislike how people speak of priorities, as if we have the luxury of choice.
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I agree with Eloth here. It's to early to try to look for one specific faction. This early the assassin or the bride would be great, but I don't think we are going to have the luxery of choosing. We find who is shifty and we vote them.
Eloth, on 08 December 2009 - 03:56 PM, said:
Crosspost with Alkend there. Whats up with all these people and the priorities? The chances of us finding out who both The Bride and Assassin are on the same day is probably around 0. What 2 seperate Finders are going to reveal at the same time in a cross posting fiasco?
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You see, you went out of your way to quote Eloth and "agree" with him, when you already had a quote up there that said EXACTLY the same thing Eloth did. However, I do not know who Eloth is, however if at one point he dies and turns out to be anything that remotely sounds suspicious, I'll be bring it back and drool all over your sexy bum. But until then...
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Posted 10 December 2009 - 08:19 PM
Rashan, on 10 December 2009 - 08:08 PM, said:
ummm i didn't vote Tellan.
Karatallid, on 10 December 2009 - 08:12 PM, said:
Rashan, on 09 December 2009 - 05:39 PM, said:
Kinda Piecing together what I have read so far. Mockra seems to be in the middle of it all. I think Kara and Tellan might be on to something. Meaning that Mockra might be symping Barghast. He comes out with his game imploding plan to see how it's received. Kinda back tracks Then says he's just being retarded. Calls himself a jackass and then goes after Fener for his reaction.
Then, even though he has already said his plan is silly, He's willing to test it. To me this screams symp. What better way to get your stupid "outing" plan working than to test it, if the bride is on your side, she'll do whatever you want. We then go on with the plan and basically out the Vipers...
Reposting Kara's post because if Mockra is a Symp, this case can be made that Barghaast is the one he is symping.
Vote Barghast
It's been a while since I've seen such a wishy-washy-hedging-summarizing-dont-ruffle-feathers post.
Vote Barghast
It's been a while since I've seen such a wishy-washy-hedging-summarizing-dont-ruffle-feathers post.
Really? What games have you been playing?
Im back. No kill last night was nice. I went back over the thread, and the above posts seem to really stand out to me. Mockras vote seemed to be a serious vote, the barghast responds with, what games have you been playing, and thats enough to get mockra to remove his vote. What strikes me as odd, is Mockra was voting Barghast for being wishy washy, and middle of the road. Then suddenly Mockra is being wishy washy himself. Looks like it might be signalling. Im still re-reading, but thought this needed some attention.
He calls the plan dumb, he says he's a jack ass but after a page of it being shot down, he's still talking about it. Why are you pushing this so hard Mockra?
Then Tellan Spots this. The Barghast reaction does come off very self righteous. Fitting in with the Mockra symping of Barghast.
Can't say I like this post.
Barghast conviniently avoids the argument at the time, and then comes in righteously after the fact.
It's a post that looks designed to make himself look more innocent by coming in agressively on spites death after the event, a safe position after we know he's a viper.
It does't contribute in any way whatsoever as it's just attacking those who were actually contributing at the time, after he's knows that spite was a viper, it doesn't advance the game at all, it just serves to make him look better.
vote barghast
So it's Day 1 part Deux. and this seems just a little too coincidental for me. I'm not against a Fener vote at this point, I am not against any vote at this point, but for now
vote Barghast
Thats my one big post for the day, back to work. i can be off and on for snippets of the day, but no extended time. I am not married to this vote, but as far as Day 1/2' s go.. I have felt worse about my votes.
If Time permits I will go back and look at some of Bargys other posts to see if it meshes with this. If it doesn't I'll remove. It's still early and I don't think a speed lynch is in our best interests.
Mockra, on 09 December 2009 - 08:41 AM, said:
I didn't say my plan was workable, I was just being a jackass really.
However, Fener, it technically WOULD be testable, i.e., I could (for example, I am not actually revealing) reveal as "Elle". Maybe the bride automatically reacts to an "I'm a viper" reveal and day vigs that person. This would be rather solid information. And if it DIDNT work, then nothing would be lost actually. Obviously, it wouldn't even be POSSIBLE for all non-vipers to reveal at once, so that we would all die or whatever. Who is strawmanning?
But EITHER WAY, as Eloth said, goofy plan or not, big assumptions or not, YOUR REACTION is really dodgy.
However, Fener, it technically WOULD be testable, i.e., I could (for example, I am not actually revealing) reveal as "Elle". Maybe the bride automatically reacts to an "I'm a viper" reveal and day vigs that person. This would be rather solid information. And if it DIDNT work, then nothing would be lost actually. Obviously, it wouldn't even be POSSIBLE for all non-vipers to reveal at once, so that we would all die or whatever. Who is strawmanning?
But EITHER WAY, as Eloth said, goofy plan or not, big assumptions or not, YOUR REACTION is really dodgy.
Then, even though he has already said his plan is silly, He's willing to test it. To me this screams symp. What better way to get your stupid "outing" plan working than to test it, if the bride is on your side, she'll do whatever you want. We then go on with the plan and basically out the Vipers...
Mockra, on 09 December 2009 - 08:56 AM, said:
Hell, I'm willing to personally test it if you want. If PS is confirmed as being around, I'll fake reveal as a viper. If I'm killed almost immediately, you'll have your answer. If I live, you have another answer.
The Bride is Watching YOU sounds to me like some sort of 24 hour surveillance threat, which sounds more like a game rule than an individual day vig ability.
The Bride is Watching YOU sounds to me like some sort of 24 hour surveillance threat, which sounds more like a game rule than an individual day vig ability.
Reposting Kara's post because if Mockra is a Symp, this case can be made that Barghaast is the one he is symping.
Karatallid, on 09 December 2009 - 02:01 PM, said:
Mockra, on 08 December 2009 - 04:14 AM, said:
Barghast, on 08 December 2009 - 03:57 AM, said:
I am here now.
I thought Fener was accusing Shadow of saying they were the assassin through emote use, but then what do I know. However, it is Fener so he may be a good choice.
Not a lot going on other than spam about dragonsex and your momma jokes otherwise.
I thought Fener was accusing Shadow of saying they were the assassin through emote use, but then what do I know. However, it is Fener so he may be a good choice.
Not a lot going on other than spam about dragonsex and your momma jokes otherwise.
Vote Barghast
It's been a while since I've seen such a wishy-washy-hedging-summarizing-dont-ruffle-feathers post.
Barghast, on 08 December 2009 - 04:27 AM, said:
Mockra, on 08 December 2009 - 04:14 AM, said:
Barghast, on 08 December 2009 - 03:57 AM, said:
I am here now.
I thought Fener was accusing Shadow of saying they were the assassin through emote use, but then what do I know. However, it is Fener so he may be a good choice.
Not a lot going on other than spam about dragonsex and your momma jokes otherwise.
I thought Fener was accusing Shadow of saying they were the assassin through emote use, but then what do I know. However, it is Fener so he may be a good choice.
Not a lot going on other than spam about dragonsex and your momma jokes otherwise.
Vote Barghast
It's been a while since I've seen such a wishy-washy-hedging-summarizing-dont-ruffle-feathers post.
Really? What games have you been playing?
Mockra, on 08 December 2009 - 04:33 AM, said:
I've been playing mafia games! 
Common man, read your own post. WEAK!
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Common man, read your own post. WEAK!
Remove Vote
Im back. No kill last night was nice. I went back over the thread, and the above posts seem to really stand out to me. Mockras vote seemed to be a serious vote, the barghast responds with, what games have you been playing, and thats enough to get mockra to remove his vote. What strikes me as odd, is Mockra was voting Barghast for being wishy washy, and middle of the road. Then suddenly Mockra is being wishy washy himself. Looks like it might be signalling. Im still re-reading, but thought this needed some attention.
He calls the plan dumb, he says he's a jack ass but after a page of it being shot down, he's still talking about it. Why are you pushing this so hard Mockra?
Mockra, on 09 December 2009 - 02:03 PM, said:
Let me spell this out for the slow ones. This scenario ONLY WORKS if the vipers can communicate with each other, AND revealing as a viper = an auto kill.
My retard plan in full:
1. All non-vipers reveal, one at a time and are killed by the bride.
2. That leaves only the vipers, the bride and the assassin alive.
3. Vipers lynch the bride and the assassin (in whatever order they feel like)
4. Town drinks vodka to celebrate (HD will be jealous for not playing)
The reason I voted Fener (and Eloth saw it too) is Fener came on and said something basically to the effect of the bride and assassin would be able to cruise with this scenario, indicating he knows something about those roles. Eloth says it better below.
*snip* (basically it's Eloth Quote on why he voted Fener.)
My retard plan in full:
1. All non-vipers reveal, one at a time and are killed by the bride.
2. That leaves only the vipers, the bride and the assassin alive.
3. Vipers lynch the bride and the assassin (in whatever order they feel like)
4. Town drinks vodka to celebrate (HD will be jealous for not playing)
The reason I voted Fener (and Eloth saw it too) is Fener came on and said something basically to the effect of the bride and assassin would be able to cruise with this scenario, indicating he knows something about those roles. Eloth says it better below.
*snip* (basically it's Eloth Quote on why he voted Fener.)
Then Tellan Spots this. The Barghast reaction does come off very self righteous. Fitting in with the Mockra symping of Barghast.
Tellan, on 09 December 2009 - 04:33 PM, said:
Barghast, on 09 December 2009 - 02:37 AM, said:
I see we've already greatly lessened our chances of winning. Good job guys. Both one of the Bride's targets and a likely roled character down before the day one lynch.
Can't say I like this post.
Barghast conviniently avoids the argument at the time, and then comes in righteously after the fact.
It's a post that looks designed to make himself look more innocent by coming in agressively on spites death after the event, a safe position after we know he's a viper.
It does't contribute in any way whatsoever as it's just attacking those who were actually contributing at the time, after he's knows that spite was a viper, it doesn't advance the game at all, it just serves to make him look better.
vote barghast
So it's Day 1 part Deux. and this seems just a little too coincidental for me. I'm not against a Fener vote at this point, I am not against any vote at this point, but for now
vote Barghast
Thats my one big post for the day, back to work. i can be off and on for snippets of the day, but no extended time. I am not married to this vote, but as far as Day 1/2' s go.. I have felt worse about my votes.
If Time permits I will go back and look at some of Bargys other posts to see if it meshes with this. If it doesn't I'll remove. It's still early and I don't think a speed lynch is in our best interests.
Yes...you did
You're attention to detail really makes me want to support your case...
That being said. I did find Barghast suspicious. The reason I removed was his behavior during the last 2 hours of the day. when it was i believe 3 votes on Fener and 1 vote on GL, he chose to vote for Gl. It didn't sit right with me.
(Those numbers might be off i am going off of memory here.)
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My bad - that was Kalse who was one of the 3, my bad, dark avatar confused me.
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Rashan, on 10 December 2009 - 08:19 PM, said:
when it was i believe 3 votes on Fener and 1 vote on GL, he chose to vote for Gl. It didn't sit right with me.
You tell'em honey!
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Posted 10 December 2009 - 08:25 PM
Galayn Lord, on 10 December 2009 - 08:21 PM, said:
Rashan, on 10 December 2009 - 08:19 PM, said:
when it was i believe 3 votes on Fener and 1 vote on GL, he chose to vote for Gl. It didn't sit right with me.
You tell'em honey!
Are you trying to symp me???
Wasn't defending you, just saying that If Barghast was the bride I would think that he would Jump on the more likely lynch, which at the time was Fener. Someone later brought up the point, that the bride might want people to think that and so went with you for a vote instead. Wifom ensued...
ok, really leaving now
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Another viper gone .
As Galayn Lord pointed out, the possibility of going after a viper seems to be a monkey on people's backs, which makes it less likely that other cases are going to be pushed all that hard. After 3-4 votes were put on, it became almost inevitable that a lynch was going to happen. However, this train does give us some information to work with.
The fact that the train was built on a player who had said that he wouldn't be back until deadline could be important - it's much easier to build up momentum on a case when your target isn't around to defend himself, after all. For that reason, I'm a little suspicious of Kalse - he was the one who kicked things off with his vote.
Kalse, on 10 December 2009 - 05:10 AM, said:
well after extensive rereading and nodding off a few times, i dont like any of the main candidates so far. fener may be angry and shouty but in this case he was right to be pissed about people putting words in his mouth. words of straw. and i cant see how that makes for a vote-worthy reaction if its justified like that.
The entire Barghast train is based solely on a single post point wherein he came back all righteous and over-reactive after Spite's death-by reveal, which may not be the most open-minded kind of reaction, but it's one post and doesn't paint him as scum solely by that. I need more to go on than that.
The closest thing to a believable case I can see is Tellan, who has alternated from joining into pissing contests to later trying to be the voice of reasoning. Despite the new logical tone of voice, he's still over-exerting himself in trying to push a case on Mockra that amounts to little more than "he made a stupid suggestion". This tunnel-visioned offensive, whilst trying to achieve a more sheep-inducing style of argument, seems to me to be the most likely voice of scum from amongst the current bunch. More likely a supporting scum and not the Bride herself, but it's all I can see at the moment and I'd like to give Tellan more exposure than just that single pseudo-OMGUS vote from Mockra. Therefore,
Vote Tellan
and with that im signing off for the evening as i have plenty of work to do before i hop into bed in a few hours. rest assured i sincerely doubt ill get up in the mid of the night to be on before the deadline. night!
Note that he says that he's unlikely to be around before deadline. This casts the seeds of doubt about time pressure in people's minds. The pretext is that he wants to give Tellan more exposure, but what he essentially did was set him up for a lynch. He knew Tellan wasn't going to be back, so he set the ball rolling in the hope of thinning the ranks of the town.
I'll have a look at some of Kalse's other posts later, but for now I'm going to drop a vote.
Vote Kalse
Note that I also find Barghast suspicious for similar reasons.
.As Galayn Lord pointed out, the possibility of going after a viper seems to be a monkey on people's backs, which makes it less likely that other cases are going to be pushed all that hard. After 3-4 votes were put on, it became almost inevitable that a lynch was going to happen. However, this train does give us some information to work with.
The fact that the train was built on a player who had said that he wouldn't be back until deadline could be important - it's much easier to build up momentum on a case when your target isn't around to defend himself, after all. For that reason, I'm a little suspicious of Kalse - he was the one who kicked things off with his vote.
Kalse, on 10 December 2009 - 05:10 AM, said:well after extensive rereading and nodding off a few times, i dont like any of the main candidates so far. fener may be angry and shouty but in this case he was right to be pissed about people putting words in his mouth. words of straw. and i cant see how that makes for a vote-worthy reaction if its justified like that.
The entire Barghast train is based solely on a single post point wherein he came back all righteous and over-reactive after Spite's death-by reveal, which may not be the most open-minded kind of reaction, but it's one post and doesn't paint him as scum solely by that. I need more to go on than that.
The closest thing to a believable case I can see is Tellan, who has alternated from joining into pissing contests to later trying to be the voice of reasoning. Despite the new logical tone of voice, he's still over-exerting himself in trying to push a case on Mockra that amounts to little more than "he made a stupid suggestion". This tunnel-visioned offensive, whilst trying to achieve a more sheep-inducing style of argument, seems to me to be the most likely voice of scum from amongst the current bunch. More likely a supporting scum and not the Bride herself, but it's all I can see at the moment and I'd like to give Tellan more exposure than just that single pseudo-OMGUS vote from Mockra. Therefore,
Vote Tellan
and with that im signing off for the evening as i have plenty of work to do before i hop into bed in a few hours. rest assured i sincerely doubt ill get up in the mid of the night to be on before the deadline. night!
Note that he says that he's unlikely to be around before deadline. This casts the seeds of doubt about time pressure in people's minds. The pretext is that he wants to give Tellan more exposure, but what he essentially did was set him up for a lynch. He knew Tellan wasn't going to be back, so he set the ball rolling in the hope of thinning the ranks of the town.
I'll have a look at some of Kalse's other posts later, but for now I'm going to drop a vote.
Vote Kalse
Note that I also find Barghast suspicious for similar reasons.
So, Sorrit, did you go and have that look?
Vote Sorrit.
because not only do I happen to agree wholeheartedly with Shadow, I also suspect you are scum building a case on the guy you/the Bride failed to kill last night.
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Karatallid, on 10 December 2009 - 08:20 PM, said:
My bad - that was Kalse who was one of the 3, my bad, dark avatar confused me.
So you think that the Bride Team is:
Barghast
Mockra
Pure Meta, but I saw Sorrit naked a bit ago, who has not commented at all, and has had Kalse defending him after Sorrit made a case on Kalse. This screams Kalse being a symp to me, but he could be make-symping (why?) the person who voted for him... hrm.
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Shadow, on 10 December 2009 - 08:30 PM, said:
Oh my, xpost with Korbas.
Liosan - I think it is the 'skin' he is using.
Switch to the IP.Board skin, and you should have no problems with quoting/font or the <BR> stuff.
Liosan - I think it is the 'skin' he is using.
Switch to the IP.Board skin, and you should have no problems with quoting/font or the <BR> stuff.
I am in said skin - <br> is gone, fonts isn't, unless I dragged/clicked
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Korbas, on 10 December 2009 - 08:31 PM, said:
Shadow, on 10 December 2009 - 08:30 PM, said:
Oh my, xpost with Korbas.
Liosan - I think it is the 'skin' he is using.
Switch to the IP.Board skin, and you should have no problems with quoting/font or the <BR> stuff.
Liosan - I think it is the 'skin' he is using.
Switch to the IP.Board skin, and you should have no problems with quoting/font or the <BR> stuff.
I am in said skin - <br> is gone, fonts isn't, unless I dragged/clicked
Ok, so if you think Sorrit hit Kalse last night and failed, then made a case on Kalse, why is Kalse defending Sorrit so hard?
I really would like to hear from Sorrit, we can see you, so we know you are around!
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Posted 10 December 2009 - 08:35 PM
Shadow, on 10 December 2009 - 08:33 PM, said:
Korbas, on 10 December 2009 - 08:31 PM, said:
Shadow, on 10 December 2009 - 08:30 PM, said:
Oh my, xpost with Korbas.
Liosan - I think it is the 'skin' he is using.
Switch to the IP.Board skin, and you should have no problems with quoting/font or the <BR> stuff.
Liosan - I think it is the 'skin' he is using.
Switch to the IP.Board skin, and you should have no problems with quoting/font or the <BR> stuff.
I am in said skin - <br> is gone, fonts isn't, unless I dragged/clicked
Ok, so if you think Sorrit hit Kalse last night and failed, then made a case on Kalse, why is Kalse defending Sorrit so hard?
I really would like to hear from Sorrit, we can see you, so we know you are around!
We have that in common.
