[Korbas]

Request by Hetan, guys, concerning the weirdness some of us have experienced.

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Hmm.. that is very strange. I haven't noticed this occurring anywhere else.I'm not sure now if it's a skin issue or not - I'll send a message to Theo and see if he can think of anything that may cause it. Please could you or Path-Shaper do me a favour in the meanwhile - if any other mafia players are having similar problems could the send me a pm to let me know what skins they are using when the problem occurs, otherwise it's going to be pretty hard to nail it down.Sorry to be so vague - I seem to recall having seen this problem before, but I can't for the life of me remember where now. I know it's a stupid thing to ask, but I'm also wondering if clearing the cache might help?

This post has been edited by Korbas: 09 December 2009 - 12:45 PM

[Korbas]

Let's see if clearing the cache helps.vote Korbas to test the bolding...remove vote

[Korbas]

nope, everything is still on one line

[Sorrit]

OK, I really don't see what people are jumping on Fener for here. Where does he say that the assassin is one of the Vipers?

[D'riss]

Hmm, I havent had any problems with posting using Firefox or IE8.

I wouldn't same I'm exactly concerned about the lack of kills, I just though I would mention it since noone else has. There are too many possible reasons for a kill to fail for us to try guess what happened. We can always hope it was a guard, so the standard guard who you guarded again advice stands, we can always hope for another night or two with less than two kills to confirm it.

[Sorrit]

Just a thought, but the 'stay in your alt' rule makes me think there might be an FM in the game. They normally have to prepare a player one night before jumping the following night, which may (partially) explain the lack of deaths last night. I haven't seen Kill Bill, but I find it unlikely from what I know of it that The Bride is an FM, so I'd guess that the assassin is more likely in that regard.

[Korbas]

Sorrit, on 09 December 2009 - 01:20 PM, said:

Just a thought, but the 'stay in your alt' rule makes me think there might be an FM in the game. They normally have to prepare a player one night before jumping the following night, which may (partially) explain the lack of deaths last night. I haven't seen Kill Bill, but I find it unlikely from what I know of it that The Bride is an FM, so I'd guess that the assassin is more likely in that regard.

I think that is more because PB allows all kinds of meta. But then, you may be right. It does create an all-lose stalemate situation though, if only a guard and the Assassin are alive at the end of the game....

[Sorrit]

Korbas, on 09 December 2009 - 01:23 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 09 December 2009 - 01:20 PM, said:

Just a thought, but the 'stay in your alt' rule makes me think there might be an FM in the game. They normally have to prepare a player one night before jumping the following night, which may (partially) explain the lack of deaths last night. I haven't seen Kill Bill, but I find it unlikely from what I know of it that The Bride is an FM, so I'd guess that the assassin is more likely in that regard.

I think that is more because PB allows all kinds of meta. But then, you may be right. It does create an all-lose stalemate situation though, if only a guard and the Assassin are alive at the end of the game....

Surely there's always that possibility when a guard is in the game though? If it comes down to guard and killer, you get the same thing.

[D'riss]

FM is a possibility I suppose, but there isnt really anything in the movies to suggest a role like that. I would hope PB would have at least hinted at a role that would make a large impact on the game like that, but we can't be sure there isn't one. That said the whole 'dont leave your alt till the end of the game' thing has been done in a couple of none-FM games before too, so I wouldnt take it as proof there is an FM.

[Sorrit]

D, on 09 December 2009 - 01:35 PM, said:

FM is a possibility I suppose, but there isnt really anything in the movies to suggest a role like that. I would hope PB would have at least hinted at a role that would make a large impact on the game like that, but we can't be sure there isn't one. That said the whole 'dont leave your alt till the end of the game' thing has been done in a couple of none-FM games before too, so I wouldnt take it as proof there is an FM.

I'm not taking it as proof, don't worry about that. Just saying it would go some way towards explaining why there weren't any kills last night. Also, the FM wouldn't really stand a chance in a game as big as this if we knew he existed, since there's only so many times you hop to another alt without people noticing.

[Alkend]

Yeah but id say that the possibility is definitely there so we should look out for it, if it turns out there isnt an FM then we dont lose anything but if there is then were at least slightly prepared. Having said that I cant think who could actually be an FM in the films, were there any "master of disguise" type people in the book that im forgetting?

[Karatallid]

Mockra, on 08 December 2009 - 04:14 AM, said:

Barghast, on 08 December 2009 - 03:57 AM, said:

I am here now.

I thought Fener was accusing Shadow of saying they were the assassin through emote use, but then what do I know. However, it is Fener so he may be a good choice.

Not a lot going on other than spam about dragonsex and your momma jokes otherwise.

Vote Barghast

It's been a while since I've seen such a wishy-washy-hedging-summarizing-dont-ruffle-feathers post.

Barghast, on 08 December 2009 - 04:27 AM, said:

Mockra, on 08 December 2009 - 04:14 AM, said:

Barghast, on 08 December 2009 - 03:57 AM, said:

I am here now.

I thought Fener was accusing Shadow of saying they were the assassin through emote use, but then what do I know. However, it is Fener so he may be a good choice.

Not a lot going on other than spam about dragonsex and your momma jokes otherwise.

Vote Barghast

It's been a while since I've seen such a wishy-washy-hedging-summarizing-dont-ruffle-feathers post.

Really? What games have you been playing?

Mockra, on 08 December 2009 - 04:33 AM, said:

I've been playing mafia games!


Common man, read your own post. WEAK!


Remove Vote

Im back. No kill last night was nice. I went back over the thread, and the above posts seem to really stand out to me. Mockras vote seemed to be a serious vote, the barghast responds with, what games have you been playing, and thats enough to get mockra to remove his vote. What strikes me as odd, is Mockra was voting Barghast for being wishy washy, and middle of the road. Then suddenly Mockra is being wishy washy himself. Looks like it might be signalling. Im still re-reading, but thought this needed some attention.

[Mockra]

Let me spell this out for the slow ones. This scenario ONLY WORKS if the vipers can communicate with each other, AND revealing as a viper = an auto kill.

My retard plan in full:

1. All non-vipers reveal, one at a time and are killed by the bride.

2. That leaves only the vipers, the bride and the assassin alive.

3. Vipers lynch the bride and the assassin (in whatever order they feel like)

4. Town drinks vodka to celebrate (HD will be jealous for not playing)


The reason I voted Fener (and Eloth saw it too) is Fener came on and said something basically to the effect of the bride and assassin would be able to cruise with this scenario, indicating he knows something about those roles. Eloth says it better below.

Eloth, on 09 December 2009 - 08:34 AM, said:

I'm didn't say Mockra's plan was realistic or workable, but what you said Fener was

Fener said:

And in the process giving the Assassin a free ride? What do we do about that? Plus revealing thusly will *also* light up the entire Viper faction for the Assassin and Bride to wipe out. AND the Bride can probably hide in the reveals too. Don't think that's gonna work, tbh.

You say the Assassin gets a free ride from RI reveals, since all the RI are killed off by the Bride leaving the Vipers, which apparently will also mean the Assassin remains getting the free ride from my reading of your post.

And then you said the bride can hide in the reveals which I took you to mean were saying the Bride can reveal RI, but the Assassin can't since they are a Viper.

Thats how I read it and so I voted accordingly.

[Olar Ethil]

that plan is ridiculous.

spite's concern over being speed-lynched as he slept would suggest he couldn't communicate with other wipers who'd keep him safe.

also, according to Fener, the viper-turned-assassin would have to be Elle. and what does he do?
drops a hypothetical reveal as Elle.

I don't like that, but Mockra's plan's even worse.

[Karatallid]

Well, I finished reading, and other than me still disagreeing that even a fake viper reveal was ok, I think I'll go with my gut on this one, for now anyway.

Vote Barghast

Because Mockra would be the symp in that scenario, not the master.

[Alkend]

Ok managed to read up to about page 8 so far and a few people got my attention, first i have to say Olar Ethil definitely looked dodgy to me as his reasoning behind voting Fener was just awful and really looks like he was just jumping on the first thing he saw to try and get a lynch
The other person im not sure about is Telann, at the start of his little pissing contest with Spite i thought he was probably right as Spite definitely looked dodgy yesterday and i know if id been on i would have jumped on him about it as well. The problem is that some of his posts are definitely trying to get Spite to reveal as roled which i definitely dont like, this could have been an honest mistake by Telann or he was absolutely certain that Spite was scum so he decided the risk was worth it but i still think its very bad inno play to get roled players to reveal.
So at the moment the people im looking at the most are definitely Telann and Olar Ethil but im not quite sure enough to put down a vote yet with so much time left.

[Shadow]

back and catching up

[Karatallid]

Mockra, on 09 December 2009 - 06:34 AM, said:

Could all non-vipers "reveal"? If the vipers can communicate with each other, they could then lynch whoever is left (whoever wasn't day-vigged by the bride)

Another thing I just thought about. The vipers dont have to communicate with each other. I believe that they probably know who each other are though. Considering they already have 2 killers out there gunning for them. if they didn't know each other they have to worry about those 2 as well as however many there are of them killing them off as well, if that was the case it would be more than just slightly unbalanced.

[Karatallid]

*Crickets chirping

[Korbas]

Mockra, on 09 December 2009 - 02:03 PM, said:

Let me spell this out for the slow ones. This scenario ONLY WORKS if the vipers can communicate with each other, AND revealing as a viper = an auto kill.

My retard plan in full:

1. All non-vipers reveal, one at a time and are killed by the bride.

2. That leaves only the vipers, the bride and the assassin alive.

3. Vipers lynch the bride and the assassin (in whatever order they feel like)

4. Town drinks vodka to celebrate (HD will be jealous for not playing)


The reason I voted Fener (and Eloth saw it too) is Fener came on and said something basically to the effect of the bride and assassin would be able to cruise with this scenario, indicating he knows something about those roles. Eloth says it better below.

Eloth, on 09 December 2009 - 08:34 AM, said:

I'm didn't say Mockra's plan was realistic or workable, but what you said Fener was

Fener said:

And in the process giving the Assassin a free ride? What do we do about that? Plus revealing thusly will *also* light up the entire Viper faction for the Assassin and Bride to wipe out. AND the Bride can probably hide in the reveals too. Don't think that's gonna work, tbh.

You say the Assassin gets a free ride from RI reveals, since all the RI are killed off by the Bride leaving the Vipers, which apparently will also mean the Assassin remains getting the free ride from my reading of your post.

And then you said the bride can hide in the reveals which I took you to mean were saying the Bride can reveal RI, but the Assassin can't since they are a Viper.

Thats how I read it and so I voted accordingly.

If we were to follow up on this plan, it would be the greatest communal suicide since Lucretia Borgia invited 500 of her close friends round for a wine and anthrax party.
For one, you expect that the Bride will not reveal RI. Also, why would she not halfway start killing amongst the unknowns? She has no beef with the RIs apart from hindering her ability to hide, but if she kills unknowns, she has a chance to make progress. If she kills the revealed RIs, she will make no progress and will become exposed.

Finally, what is making you think that there aren't other roles around than Budd, Bill, Elle and the lady I can never remember (Copperhead)? You going to lynch anyone who reveals as anyone else, like the leader of the 88 or Sophie Savage, on the principle that it must be a fake reveal? Way to hit your own team, buddy.

Karatallid, on 09 December 2009 - 03:08 PM, said:

Mockra, on 09 December 2009 - 06:34 AM, said:

Could all non-vipers "reveal"? If the vipers can communicate with each other, they could then lynch whoever is left (whoever wasn't day-vigged by the bride)

Another thing I just thought about. The vipers dont have to communicate with each other. I believe that they probably know who each other are though. Considering they already have 2 killers out there gunning for them. if they didn't know each other they have to worry about those 2 as well as however many there are of them killing them off as well, if that was the case it would be more than just slightly unbalanced.

I think it is quite fucking likely they can't communicate, and frankly, about as likely they do NOT know each other. In the movie, the squad had split up. Budd was a bouncer in a rundown strip club for ages and bragged he had sold his Hanzo sword - not exactly sounding like he was still in the killing business, now does it? Copperhead had a kid, O-Ren had the time to start a crime syndicate on her own and win a gang war, Bill was raising B.B..
Instead, I expect them to have either high power roles themselves, or henchmen who know one of them.

Ask yourself this: would Spite have revealed if he had known 4 others knew him and thus wouldn't vote him, basically making certain that only 13 out of 18 possibly would, as he definately wouldn't self-vote? I think not.

This post has been edited by Korbas: 09 December 2009 - 03:29 PM