[Alkend]

Olar Ethil, on 09 December 2009 - 02:38 PM, said:

that plan is ridiculous.

spite's concern over being speed-lynched as he slept would suggest he couldn't communicate with other wipers who'd keep him safe.

also, according to Fener, the viper-turned-assassin would have to be Elle. and what does he do?
drops a hypothetical reveal as Elle.

I don't like that, but Mockra's plan's even worse.

I thought it was Mockra who hypothetically revealed as Elle?
I agree with Karat that the Vipers probably cant talk to each other but do know who the others are or at the very least they all know who Bill is and possibly a few others.
Yeah i would definitely agree with you that Mockras plan isnt good, as there's probably quite a few holes in it so it would probably just amount to getting a load of innos killed which as PB said there werent any boring roles is definitely bad for us.

[Karatallid]

Korbas, on 09 December 2009 - 03:29 PM, said:

Ask yourself this: would Spite have revealed if he had known 4 others knew him and thus wouldn't vote him, basically making certain that only 13 out of 18 possibly would, as he definately wouldn't self-vote? I think not.

The answer to this is : Yes. He had what, 2 or 3 votes on him at the time. Also, keep in mind he seemed to think he had an ace up his sleeve. And he wouldn't have expected his team to step up and defend him, if we lynched him and found out he was a viper, all the bride would have to do is pick them off one by one. Your reasoning isn't sound. I feel its more likely that they know each other.

[Korbas]

Karatallid, on 09 December 2009 - 03:34 PM, said:

Korbas, on 09 December 2009 - 03:29 PM, said:

Ask yourself this: would Spite have revealed if he had known 4 others knew him and thus wouldn't vote him, basically making certain that only 13 out of 18 possibly would, as he definately wouldn't self-vote? I think not.

The answer to this is : Yes. He had what, 2 or 3 votes on him at the time. Also, keep in mind he seemed to think he had an ace up his sleeve. And he wouldn't have expected his team to step up and defend him, if we lynched him and found out he was a viper, all the bride would have to do is pick them off one by one. Your reasoning isn't sound. I feel its more likely that they know each other.

He had 1 vote, iirc, and what he feared was a lynch, not The Bride. They didn't have to defend him either, just not vote, with 9 hours and the clock and a near guarantee not everyone would show up between then and timeout, he would have lived.

[Korbas]

Ah, 2 votes.

[Olar Ethil]

fuck, some shoit came up at home, and now i'm late for work

back much later

[Hood's Path]

Fuck me, that an epic way to go out on first day.

Mockra you want people to reveal you know how silly that is, everyone will either say RI or more sensibly keep their mouth shut. If all RI revealed then that leaves the vipers out in the open and I think the bride wouldn't kill herself for lying about her reveal as RI. Also I think a fake reveal that only get targetted cause they are lying is a tad overpowered. so I think it more likely who ever reveals no matter what they are and what they said makes them a target to become the second spite.

If someone wants to test this out by claiming something else apart from Viper go ahead, we don't know enough to warrant risking players like that when we only have limited information on it.

THe only thing that would be more stupid is you saying that we should say the bride name when we don't lnow the ramification all we haver is suspicions that it.

[Shadow]

So I did a re-read from page 3, and you know who stands out to me?
Sorrit.
Sure, Tellan was in a pissing match with Spite. Why did Sorrit jump in there? Why did he feel the need to be involved, meanwhile I don't think Sorrit voted.
Then, he vanishes until a little earlier today, when he starts spouting off about a FM. Sowing confusion and paranoia? Quite happy with that implosion from Spite, and now are trying to turn people who possibly know of each other against each other?

Vote Sorrit

I also agree with Korbas's post 380 (6 posts up) in its entirety. Look, now I'm symping him too!

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 21 hours and 48 minutes remain.

17 players still alive: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kalse, Karatallid, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Rashan, Shadow, Sorrit, Tellan

9 votes are required to lynch.

2 Votes Fener (Mockra, Eloth)
1 Vote Liosan (Galayn Lord)
1 Vote Mockra (Karatallid)
1 Vote Sorrit (Shadow)

Not voted: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Fener, Hood's Path, Kalse, Korbas, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Rashan, Sorrit, Tellan

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I'm back my little chickadees.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 09 December 2009 - 03:54 PM

[Galayn Lord]

I think we can stop discussing Mockra's plan to "break" the game, because it makes so many assumptions that any attempt to coordinate something of the sort will most probably result in an epic Khellendros.

One thing is that is assumed is that the Bride attack on Spite was automated, but that's bizarre because PS quickly pointed out it was not a modkill. Unless he means "modkill" as "anti-play punishment", then it was not automated. Plus, seeing Spite's smugness (and was he ever), it's obvious there is no warning in the role PM, as should be if it was automatic.

Then again, if the Bride send that PM, she was damn quick, hence my current case and vote.

Ironically, I'm not sure how to interpret Fener's reaction to Mockra's idea, I think people put words in his mouth that nobody with intact frontal lobe would actually mean in a game like this. Then again, I have nothing about voting him, since he had the same pattern as Liosan around that kill.

Also, don't fuck with the Bride, because she managed to decapitate O-Ren before getting her sword


edit: mixed Spite and Sorrit, an old problem of mine. Don't get me started on the K-dragons...

This post has been edited by Galayn Lord: 09 December 2009 - 03:56 PM

[Shadow]

GL, you mean Spite there?

[Alkend]

Galayn Lord, on 09 December 2009 - 03:55 PM, said:

One thing is that is assumed is that the Bride attack on Spite was automated, but that's bizarre because PS quickly pointed out it was not a modkill. Unless he means "modkill" as "anti-play punishment", then it was not automated. Plus, seeing Spite's smugness (and was he ever), it's obvious there is no warning in the role PM, as should be if it was automatic.

I think he probably meant modkill as in punishment for breaking a rule, which this wouldnt be. Why would there have to be a warning in the role PM when there was a clear warning in the OP ?

[Galayn Lord]

Yup. And since I already edited once, I should correct in a new post that I have nothing against voting Fener.

[Galayn Lord]

Alkend, on 09 December 2009 - 04:01 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 09 December 2009 - 03:55 PM, said:

One thing is that is assumed is that the Bride attack on Spite was automated, but that's bizarre because PS quickly pointed out it was not a modkill. Unless he means "modkill" as "anti-play punishment", then it was not automated. Plus, seeing Spite's smugness (and was he ever), it's obvious there is no warning in the role PM, as should be if it was automatic.

I think he probably meant modkill as in punishment for breaking a rule, which this wouldnt be. Why would there have to be a warning in the role PM when there was a clear warning in the OP ?

Well, I see "modkill" as when the mod kills you. That can be punishment, inactivity, request, whatever. If there is a script that says that if X does that he automatically dies, that's a modkill to me, although I agree this is a question of interpretation.

[Karatallid]

Galayn Lord, on 09 December 2009 - 04:03 PM, said:

Alkend, on 09 December 2009 - 04:01 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 09 December 2009 - 03:55 PM, said:

One thing is that is assumed is that the Bride attack on Spite was automated, but that's bizarre because PS quickly pointed out it was not a modkill. Unless he means "modkill" as "anti-play punishment", then it was not automated. Plus, seeing Spite's smugness (and was he ever), it's obvious there is no warning in the role PM, as should be if it was automatic.

I think he probably meant modkill as in punishment for breaking a rule, which this wouldnt be. Why would there have to be a warning in the role PM when there was a clear warning in the OP ?

Well, I see "modkill" as when the mod kills you. That can be punishment, inactivity, request, whatever. If there is a script that says that if X does that he automatically dies, that's a modkill to me, although I agree this is a question of interpretation.

No sure where you get this GL, in the scene the Bride killed Spite. I think PB put out there that it wasn't a modkill, so that this sort of convo didn't happen. IMHO

[Alkend]

I think its more a hidden mechanic, but i dont think it makes a huge amount of difference either way and it will be best to play it as if it is automatic when someone reveals as opposed to the Bride day vigging people who reveal as vipers.

[Galayn Lord]

The OP mentions the "Bride always watching you" in relation to quoting the role PM, not revealing. I still find it bizarre that the kill could be a game mechanics, specially if there was no warning in Spite's PM.

[Korbas]

Galayn Lord, on 09 December 2009 - 04:13 PM, said:

The OP mentions the "Bride always watching you" in relation to quoting the role PM, not revealing. I still find it bizarre that the kill could be a game mechanics, specially if there was no warning in Spite's PM.

You've been away from the game for a while

[Karatallid]

I have some stuff to take care of, I'll be back in a while.

[Tellan]

Barghast, on 09 December 2009 - 02:37 AM, said:

I see we've already greatly lessened our chances of winning. Good job guys. Both one of the Bride's targets and a likely roled character down before the day one lynch.

Can't say I like this post.

Barghast conviniently avoids the argument at the time, and then comes in righteously after the fact.

It's a post that looks designed to make himself look more innocent by coming in agressively on spites death after the event, a safe position after we know he's a viper.

It does't contribute in any way whatsoever as it's just attacking those who were actually contributing at the time, after he's knows that spite was a viper, it doesn't advance the game at all, it just serves to make him look better.

vote barghast

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 20 hours and 57 minutes remain.

17 players still alive: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kalse, Karatallid, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Rashan, Shadow, Sorrit, Tellan

9 votes are required to lynch.

2 Votes Fener (Mockra, Eloth)
1 Vote Liosan (Galayn Lord)
1 Vote Mockra (Karatallid)
1 Vote Sorrit (Shadow)
1 Vote Barghast (Tellan)

Not voted: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Fener, Hood's Path, Kalse, Korbas, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Rashan, Sorrit

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This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 09 December 2009 - 04:45 PM