[Ruse]

Sukul Ankhadu, on 11 February 2010 - 08:45 PM, said:

Well at least we now know who's on Liosan's team. And guys, Omtose is obviously fake symping me . He must think I'm a leader or something. It's actually kind of good tactic - I commend you Omtose. However I think it's gonna backlash, since the information Meanas provided is much more pressing. The question is, why would anyone not on Lio's team want to ignore the reveal? I don't think it's likely Meanas would lie about it, even though he most likely is not telling everything. But even so, it would be dumb not to consider the information. Needless to say, anyone ignoring it is painting themselves in a corner. You don't have to trust Meanas to know that any leader that is powerful is going to be a problem later on, if not already. I want a straight answer why anyone would want to ignore it. If either or both of Korbas and Ruse is not on Lio's team, I'll eat my hat. Twice.

Ignore what? that Liosan has had succesful NA's based on a Meanas reveal? Is it possible .. sure. But what else is possible?

Perhaps meanas is a tactical person and found that Liosan is a defensive person not on his team and want's him taken out. Perhaps, He wants Liosan out of the way because he is a Lone wolf and knows he can't win if there are larger armies than his out there.

Voting off liosan this early in the day w/o throwing out other options is plain bad play. Do we want to remove ppl not on our team? Yes, would we rather remove a leader rather than a subordinate? Yes. None of us know why Meanas chose to reveal that information that early in the day. Only Meanas knows that, and the fact that he revealed it right after voting for liosan makes me think twice about just willy nilly voting liosan off. Because the rest of us only know 2 things. 1- that Liosan is/isn't our leader (He still might be on your team) and 2- that voting Liosan off WILL help Meanas' cause.

Sorry if I am hesitant to just follow Meanas in a vote that I know will help him. In a vote that, for all I know, might be voting off an unrecruited/non-posting dead weight, thus allowing the remaining leaders ( Meanas' leader, as I don't think he is one)to cruise another day.

Damn man- think for yourself.

Why are you so hip on the idea of straight believing Meanas' reveal. If you go by your logic, why didn't you vote for Spite yesterday. People seem to believe that he was on Annomanders team. According to your logic, if he wasn't on our team we should all have just voted him off yesterday. But no, we didn't, and we got a leader because we talked through the day and decided against it.

In conclusion: Do you want salt and pepper with your hat?

Is that answer straight enough for you?

[Omtose]

Sukul Ankhadu, on 11 February 2010 - 08:45 PM, said:

Well at least we now know who's on Liosan's team. And guys, Omtose is obviously fake symping me . He must think I'm a leader or something. It's actually kind of good tactic - I commend you Omtose. However I think it's gonna backlash, since the information Meanas provided is much more pressing. The question is, why would anyone not on Lio's team want to ignore the reveal? I don't think it's likely Meanas would lie about it, even though he most likely is not telling everything. But even so, it would be dumb not to consider the information. Needless to say, anyone ignoring it is painting themselves in a corner. You don't have to trust Meanas to know that any leader that is powerful is going to be a problem later on, if not already. I want a straight answer why anyone would want to ignore it. If either or both of Korbas and Ruse is not on Lio's team, I'll eat my hat. Twice.

note to self: never random vote on day 1

[Ruse]

x-post with a bold Liosan post.

[Meanas]

@ Ruse, I think GL posted very briefly early today, just a 'pop in' style of vote.

@ Liosan, hey look, you did something other than lurk, show up, vote, and leave. But you sir, are the liar.

@ Ruse (again), I think you're just responding to Sukul, but if you're making a blanket accusation, I personally never said VOTE LIOSAN NAOUGH. I offered evidence as to why I felt he deserved to be voted, AFTER I voted him. I didn't like his style yesterday, so I voted him then, tried a NA on him last night, and am satisfied that he was stronger than a Rank 2.

[Liosan]

Meanas, I'd like you to quote your night action PMs. Such is allowed in this game, and surely it would give credence to your case?

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Ruse, on 11 February 2010 - 09:02 PM, said:

Sukul Ankhadu, on 11 February 2010 - 08:45 PM, said:

Well at least we now know who's on Liosan's team. And guys, Omtose is obviously fake symping me . He must think I'm a leader or something. It's actually kind of good tactic - I commend you Omtose. However I think it's gonna backlash, since the information Meanas provided is much more pressing. The question is, why would anyone not on Lio's team want to ignore the reveal? I don't think it's likely Meanas would lie about it, even though he most likely is not telling everything. But even so, it would be dumb not to consider the information. Needless to say, anyone ignoring it is painting themselves in a corner. You don't have to trust Meanas to know that any leader that is powerful is going to be a problem later on, if not already. I want a straight answer why anyone would want to ignore it. If either or both of Korbas and Ruse is not on Lio's team, I'll eat my hat. Twice.

Ignore what? that Liosan has had succesful NA's based on a Meanas reveal? Is it possible .. sure. But what else is possible?

Perhaps meanas is a tactical person and found that Liosan is a defensive person not on his team and want's him taken out. Perhaps, He wants Liosan out of the way because he is a Lone wolf and knows he can't win if there are larger armies than his out there.

Voting off liosan this early in the day w/o throwing out other options is plain bad play. Do we want to remove ppl not on our team? Yes, would we rather remove a leader rather than a subordinate? Yes. None of us know why Meanas chose to reveal that information that early in the day. Only Meanas knows that, and the fact that he revealed it right after voting for liosan makes me think twice about just willy nilly voting liosan off. Because the rest of us only know 2 things. 1- that Liosan is/isn't our leader (He still might be on your team) and 2- that voting Liosan off WILL help Meanas' cause.

Sorry if I am hesitant to just follow Meanas in a vote that I know will help him. In a vote that, for all I know, might be voting off an unrecruited/non-posting dead weight, thus allowing the remaining leaders ( Meanas' leader, as I don't think he is one)to cruise another day.

Damn man- think for yourself.

Why are you so hip on the idea of straight believing Meanas' reveal. If you go by your logic, why didn't you vote for Spite yesterday. People seem to believe that he was on Annomanders team. According to your logic, if he wasn't on our team we should all have just voted him off yesterday. But no, we didn't, and we got a leader because we talked through the day and decided against it.

In conclusion: Do you want salt and pepper with your hat?

Is that answer straight enough for you?

Dude, as I've said before, it's about making a decision what information is most pertinent and most likely true. I have no problem voting Spite, but so far nobody has made a compelling case on him. I don't see why Meanas would lie about Liosan being a threat - and since he's not on my team he is inherently a threat to my faction aswell. It's the way the game works. And no, it's not really an answer why you would ignore the reveal - it only shows that you're on Liosan's team.

It's simple really: if another faction is a threat to any other faction, it's also a threat to my faction.

I don't trust Meanas reveal, I trust that Meanas want to play to his factions advantage - which means taking out threat to his faction. And any threat to his faction that isn't my faction, I am ready to get rid of. Simple really. It doesn't mean I have to trust him.

The fact that you are hesitant and not thinking this way, means you have to be on Liosan's team. Nice work, I think all the factions appreciate it.

Edit: spelling

This post has been edited by Sukul Ankhadu: 11 February 2010 - 09:12 PM

[Ruse]

Meanas, on 11 February 2010 - 09:09 PM, said:

@ Ruse, I think GL posted very briefly early today, just a 'pop in' style of vote.

@ Liosan, hey look, you did something other than lurk, show up, vote, and leave. But you sir, are the liar.

@ Ruse (again), I think you're just responding to Sukul, but if you're making a blanket accusation, I personally never said VOTE LIOSAN NAOUGH. I offered evidence as to why I felt he deserved to be voted, AFTER I voted him. I didn't like his style yesterday, so I voted him then, tried a NA on him last night, and am satisfied that he was stronger than a Rank 2.

To your 3rd point- I am addressing that post @ Sukul who seems to think we are all dumb for not voting Liosan and straight believing what you say. Cause, you know, it's Mafia...and no one ever lies or tells half truths to further their cause

[Liosan]

Sukul, the only way you could know I'm not on your team, is if you're a leader and haven't recruited me, or if your leader is voting for me at present: Nice work. /end mockery.

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Read my previous post, Ruse, the only thing I trust is that Meanas want to win.

[Ruse]

Sukul Ankhadu, on 11 February 2010 - 09:11 PM, said:

Ruse, on 11 February 2010 - 09:02 PM, said:

Sukul Ankhadu, on 11 February 2010 - 08:45 PM, said:

Well at least we now know who's on Liosan's team. And guys, Omtose is obviously fake symping me . He must think I'm a leader or something. It's actually kind of good tactic - I commend you Omtose. However I think it's gonna backlash, since the information Meanas provided is much more pressing. The question is, why would anyone not on Lio's team want to ignore the reveal? I don't think it's likely Meanas would lie about it, even though he most likely is not telling everything. But even so, it would be dumb not to consider the information. Needless to say, anyone ignoring it is painting themselves in a corner. You don't have to trust Meanas to know that any leader that is powerful is going to be a problem later on, if not already. I want a straight answer why anyone would want to ignore it. If either or both of Korbas and Ruse is not on Lio's team, I'll eat my hat. Twice.

Ignore what? that Liosan has had succesful NA's based on a Meanas reveal? Is it possible .. sure. But what else is possible?

Perhaps meanas is a tactical person and found that Liosan is a defensive person not on his team and want's him taken out. Perhaps, He wants Liosan out of the way because he is a Lone wolf and knows he can't win if there are larger armies than his out there.

Voting off liosan this early in the day w/o throwing out other options is plain bad play. Do we want to remove ppl not on our team? Yes, would we rather remove a leader rather than a subordinate? Yes. None of us know why Meanas chose to reveal that information that early in the day. Only Meanas knows that, and the fact that he revealed it right after voting for liosan makes me think twice about just willy nilly voting liosan off. Because the rest of us only know 2 things. 1- that Liosan is/isn't our leader (He still might be on your team) and 2- that voting Liosan off WILL help Meanas' cause.

Sorry if I am hesitant to just follow Meanas in a vote that I know will help him. In a vote that, for all I know, might be voting off an unrecruited/non-posting dead weight, thus allowing the remaining leaders ( Meanas' leader, as I don't think he is one)to cruise another day.

Damn man- think for yourself.

Why are you so hip on the idea of straight believing Meanas' reveal. If you go by your logic, why didn't you vote for Spite yesterday. People seem to believe that he was on Annomanders team. According to your logic, if he wasn't on our team we should all have just voted him off yesterday. But no, we didn't, and we got a leader because we talked through the day and decided against it.

In conclusion: Do you want salt and pepper with your hat?

Is that answer straight enough for you?

Dude, as I've said before, it's about making a decision what information is most pertinent and most likely true. I have no problem voting Spite, but so far nobody has made a compelling case on him. I don't see why Meanas would lie about Liosan being a threat - and since he's not on my team he is inherently a threat to my faction aswell. It's the way the game works. And no, it's not really an answer why you would ignore the reveal - it only shows that you're on Liosan's team.

It's simple really: if another faction is a threat to any other faction, it's also a threat to my faction.

I don't trust Meanas reveal, I trust that Meanas want to play to his factions advantage - which means taking out threat to his faction. And any threat to his faction that isn't my faction, I am ready to get rid of. Simple really. It doesn't mean I have to trust him.

The fact that you are hesitant and not thinking this way, means you have to be on Liosan's team. Nice work, I think all the factions appreciate it.

Edit: spelling

Well, with that kind of perception... I am glad you aren't on my team

[Meanas]

Here's last night:

Path-Shaper, on 11 February 2010 - 04:50 AM, said:

The Meanas army was flanked in an ambush and lost one troop battalion in the skirmish. It now has an army size of 1.

I didn't get a result for my regular action, which, as listed in the setup, indicates a failed action.

edit: This was in response to Liosan.

This post has been edited by Meanas: 11 February 2010 - 09:15 PM

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Liosan, on 11 February 2010 - 09:13 PM, said:

Sukul, the only way you could know I'm not on your team, is if you're a leader and haven't recruited me, or if your leader is voting for me at present: Nice work. /end mockery.

HAHA, no obviously I don't know that, but neither did I know that about any of the other votes. That doesn't mean I can't assess threats. Nice try though.

[Liosan]

See, that says nothing about me, as far as I can tell. You forget the order of precedence rule: if you were attacked and lost out, your action might not have gone through at all. Remember that you said you submitted your action last minute.

I, on the other hand, have never been gifted with a 'your army is now rank x' - night one my action failed, night two I didn't get it in on time.

[Meanas]

Liosan, on 11 February 2010 - 09:13 PM, said:

Sukul, the only way you could know I'm not on your team, is if you're a leader and haven't recruited me, or if your leader is voting for me at present: Nice work. /end mockery.

Wait, are you saying that all leaders can recruit? Very interesting that you would know that. Can I revote you?

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Liosan, on 11 February 2010 - 09:17 PM, said:

See, that says nothing about me, as far as I can tell. You forget the order of precedence rule: if you were attacked and lost out, your action might not have gone through at all. Remember that you said you submitted your action last minute.

I, on the other hand, have never been gifted with a 'your army is now rank x' - night one my action failed, night two I didn't get it in on time.

HAH!

[Meanas]

Liosan, on 11 February 2010 - 09:17 PM, said:

See, that says nothing about me, as far as I can tell. You forget the order of precedence rule: if you were attacked and lost out, your action might not have gone through at all. Remember that you said you submitted your action last minute.

I, on the other hand, have never been gifted with a 'your army is now rank x' - night one my action failed, night two I didn't get it in on time.

Yes, that's a very excellent point. Hrm. Then explain the post I just quoted, as well as what appears to be heavy sympage on your behalf from Korbas and Ruse?

[Liosan]

@Sukul, and yet, your entire reason for voting me is based on me not being in your team, and therefore a threat....true, as you say, you never know (unless it's your leader or your recruit), but I just found it interesting that you were so certain Ruse not voting for me means he's on my team, and yet your own certainty that I'm not on your team means that my deduction about you and/or your leader on the train is correct. Goes both ways, man.

[Sukul Ankhadu]

To be fair, fake sympage seems to be popular this time of year.

[Korbas]

Sukul Ankhadu, on 11 February 2010 - 08:45 PM, said:

Well at least we now know who's on Liosan's team. And guys, Omtose is obviously fake symping me . He must think I'm a leader or something. It's actually kind of good tactic - I commend you Omtose. However I think it's gonna backlash, since the information Meanas provided is much more pressing. The question is, why would anyone not on Lio's team want to ignore the reveal? I don't think it's likely Meanas would lie about it, even though he most likely is not telling everything. But even so, it would be dumb not to consider the information. Needless to say, anyone ignoring it is painting themselves in a corner. You don't have to trust Meanas to know that any leader that is powerful is going to be a problem later on, if not already. I want a straight answer why anyone would want to ignore it. If either or both of Korbas and Ruse is not on Lio's team, I'll eat my hat. Twice.

You find it suspicious that I don't just take what Meanas says at face value?

Ok, Liosan isn't my leader, but that reasoning can really be applied to anyone. Meanas worries me more than Liosan tbh. Like you say, he most likely isn't telling everything-or at least not telling the truth about anything. But the reveal comes too early for me to believe he is only posting it for the reasons he's stating. I really don't trust the whole "Oh, i'm so weak and powerless rage" thing for one. Why reveal that? I just think he's trying to make himself appear harmless. It's possible he does even have some information about Liosan, but because of the rest of the reveal I don't trust that very much.

[Meanas]

Sukul Ankhadu, on 11 February 2010 - 09:19 PM, said:

Liosan, on 11 February 2010 - 09:17 PM, said:

See, that says nothing about me, as far as I can tell. You forget the order of precedence rule: if you were attacked and lost out, your action might not have gone through at all. Remember that you said you submitted your action last minute.

I, on the other hand, have never been gifted with a 'your army is now rank x' - night one my action failed, night two I didn't get it in on time.

HAH!

OK, I don't get the 'HAH' comment here, because Liosan does have a point on my particulars.