Yeah, I won't be on this weekend hardly at all With Valentines day and everything else... i am actually probably gonna be gone most of the weekend. So I wanted to get this out while it is fresh in my mind and I have a couple bored hours at work.
Starting at post 317 i reread this is when the train was building on liosan. While I was the first and initially most adamant Liosan defender, i backed off after a while. Korbas kind of continued my trend. and kept defending Lio. On thing that I think is really clear. Sukul isn't Yuan Shu. Meanas i am almost positive isn't Yuan Shu, Omtose, could be, but he is ultra savvy if he is and I doubt it. Korv. probably not he was the first person to vote Liosan and never moved his vote. Spite ended up being on the Liosan train Early when it was 2 vs 2 vs 2. he could have gone to anyone, but went Liosan. So i can't see him being Yuan either. I know I am not Yuan Shu. I was against a Liosan lynch, not becauseit was Liosan, but because we were blindly believing Meanas and willingly helping him. My posts will reflect that.
That leaves: Tulas, Gaylord, Telas or Korbas.
I am not gonna lie.. I have no read what so ever on Tulas or Gay lord. So my ideas on who is Yuan might be skewed as they haven't really been playing.
Bold is mine. This post, while agree with it, has the look of saying, lets look somewhere besides Liosan.
Korbas, on 11 February 2010 - 06:46 PM, said:
Sukul Ankhadu, on 11 February 2010 - 06:41 PM, said:
Ruse you should always be hesitant about reveals in mafia - however if Meanas reveal is even remotely real, the only one it is not beneficial to is Liosan's faction. It's hard to get past this argument. In this case, the enemy of your enemy is your friend, simple as that.
This is true, the only faction it doesn't benefit is Liosans.
However, there still could be a better lynch, and it's possible Meanas is trying to direct us away from that.
It is more beneficial to look for other leaders, rather than to simply lynch anyone who is not your own.
Threw this in there in case anyone doubted that Sukul isn't on Liosan's side. Sukul was very adamant about a Liosan Lynch.
Sukul Ankhadu, on 11 February 2010 - 06:53 PM, said:
Korbas, on 11 February 2010 - 06:46 PM, said:
Sukul Ankhadu, on 11 February 2010 - 06:41 PM, said:
Ruse you should always be hesitant about reveals in mafia - however if Meanas reveal is even remotely real, the only one it is not beneficial to is Liosan's faction. It's hard to get past this argument. In this case, the enemy of your enemy is your friend, simple as that.
This is true, the only faction it doesn't benefit is Liosans.
However, there still could be a better lynch, and it's possible Meanas is trying to direct us away from that.
It is more beneficial to look for other leaders, rather than to simply lynch anyone who is not your own.
I already said that Meanas might be trying to create a diversion, but right now Liosan is the best vote, but of course that doesn't stop any of us from keep looking for other leaders. But I don't see how it's beneficial for factions not liosan's to ignore the reveal either. Actually it might be quite dumb.
Here, is a quote on why I doubt Omtose is on Liosan's side... Why throw this vote out? he is effectively starting the train, I can't see a leader doing this to their subordinate.
Omtose, on 11 February 2010 - 07:48 PM, said:
Hey all. Here briefly finally caught up. 5 post per page layout sucks. Meanas's reveal reeks of desperation, almost like he decided to pull his imaginary clout and thread cred to get a speedulynch going. While I def dont like that move, the pissing contest b/w him and Korbas seems even,more pointless. Could be that Korbas is symping Lio. So,
vote Liosan
sorry, phone got no Square brackets. Mods, edit plz?
This was the only post by Telas I could find in regards to a Liosan lynch...not sure if that is a good or bad thing. He more focused on my point about Omtose following Sukul. I am not sure about Telas...he doesn't give me much to go on in regards to Liosan.
Telas, on 11 February 2010 - 08:24 PM, said:
That's actually a good catch there, and definitely could be a signalling vote. As im not too convinced on a Liosan lynch il go back and look for these concurrent votes you mentioned.
Another reason Sukul isn't Yuan
He is really anti Liosan. Basically stating that Korbas and I are on Liosan's team. Well, we now Know that Liosan was a follower so both Korbas AND I aren't likely to be on Liosan's team. If Korbas ends up being Yuan, Sukul will only have to eat his hat once
Sukul Ankhadu, on 11 February 2010 - 08:45 PM, said:
Well at least we now know who's on Liosan's team. And guys, Omtose is obviously fake symping me . He must think I'm a leader or something. It's actually kind of good tactic - I commend you Omtose. However I think it's gonna backlash, since the information Meanas provided is much more pressing. The question is, why would anyone not on Lio's team want to ignore the reveal? I don't think it's likely Meanas would lie about it, even though he most likely is not telling everything. But even so, it would be dumb not to consider the information. Needless to say, anyone ignoring it is painting themselves in a corner. You don't have to trust Meanas to know that any leader that is powerful is going to be a problem later on, if not already. I want a straight answer why anyone would want to ignore it. If either or both of Korbas and Ruse is not on Lio's team, I'll eat my hat. Twice.
As, Meanas is the one that started the whole Liosan bandwagon, I highly doubt he would be the leader.
Liosan, on 11 February 2010 - 09:00 PM, said:
Meanas, on 11 February 2010 - 04:14 PM, said:
I'd like to share some information with everyone.
Night 1, my action succeeded and my army increased in size.
Night 2, my action failed (against Liosan), AND I lost an army size.
So I feel pretty good saying that someone rank 2 hit me last night, and is still rank 2. Liosan is at least Rank 2 and may very well be Rank 3 at this point. I'm back to Rank 1, which makes me hate all of you who pick on talkative players.
So right now, Liosan is the most obvious threat to my leader for potentially being one of the highest ranked players in the game.
edit: it's possible I could have destroyed one of Liosan's armies, but I got my action in VERY late, almost at the buzzer.
You ARE desperate to get heat off your leader, aren't you? I've never moved off rank one, and you're calling me rank 3? You, sir, are either lying about your action or were guarded.
More Korbas pushing away from a Liosan lynch.
Korbas, on 11 February 2010 - 09:21 PM, said:
Sukul Ankhadu, on 11 February 2010 - 08:45 PM, said:
Well at least we now know who's on Liosan's team. And guys, Omtose is obviously fake symping me . He must think I'm a leader or something. It's actually kind of good tactic - I commend you Omtose. However I think it's gonna backlash, since the information Meanas provided is much more pressing. The question is, why would anyone not on Lio's team want to ignore the reveal? I don't think it's likely Meanas would lie about it, even though he most likely is not telling everything. But even so, it would be dumb not to consider the information. Needless to say, anyone ignoring it is painting themselves in a corner. You don't have to trust Meanas to know that any leader that is powerful is going to be a problem later on, if not already. I want a straight answer why anyone would want to ignore it. If either or both of Korbas and Ruse is not on Lio's team, I'll eat my hat. Twice.
You find it suspicious that I don't just take what Meanas says at face value?
Ok, Liosan isn't my leader, but that reasoning can really be applied to anyone. Meanas worries me more than Liosan tbh. Like you say, he most likely isn't telling everything-or at least not telling the truth about anything. But the reveal comes too early for me to believe he is only posting it for the reasons he's stating. I really don't trust the whole "Oh, i'm so weak and powerless rage" thing for one. Why reveal that? I just think he's trying to make himself appear harmless. It's possible he does even have some information about Liosan, but because of the rest of the reveal I don't trust that very much.
Here he follows my vote on Sukul Solidifying that he really doesn't want to vote Liosan.
Korbas, on 11 February 2010 - 09:53 PM, said:
Hmm, that's interesting.
If Meanas wasn't on the level, I wouldn't have really expected that reaction. I would expect someone not being honest about it to condemn it as being really unlikely or whatever, or at least something like "We should still lynch you to make sure". Makes me feel a bit better about the reveal that he actually seems to have doubts about it, that he does consider that there could be another explanation such as what Lio suggests. I still don't like the bit about him being reduced in power levels. I still think he had an ulterior motive, but it makes me feel that instead of it being case of him having another motive and making the case simply for that motive, he may have been on the level about Liosan, aswell as having his other motive.
I'm going to:
Vote Sukul A.
Because I think his agreement with meanas is too blind to be real, and because omtose does appear to have been symping him.
Well, I've painted a Korbas= Yuan picture, but really.. it could be coincidence. He really might have just thought a Liosan Lynch was dumb. I did the same thing. Telas, could be Yuan, I just can't get a read on him as yet he is laying really low....which is cause for concern. If gaylord or Tulas are Yuan, well, congrats you aren't suspected because you aren't playing. Of the 4, I feel it's most Likely Korbas, just because he seemed to piggybacked my thinking and then didn't vote Liosan until it was a cinch. ok, thats my big one for the day, you will be lucky to seem me for more than 1-2 posts this weekend.
Happy Valentines day all!
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