[Gothos]

Seeing as I've included my own country in my skepticism it's quite amusing that you managed to turn it into an insult.
I just think that developed countries should realistically see their standing and the colossal gap between us and the developed countries. For us to try to act like complete equals is like a factory worker at a grand aristocrat ball. It just looks silly.

[dktorode]

polishgenius, on 15 June 2010 - 08:41 AM, said:

but there was those journalists who got robbed before the tournament and currently a pay dispute means that the security guards are rioting between matches and walked out of the Italy/Paraguay games entirely. This sort of thing doesn't strike you as a problem?

The same journalists who left there equipment lying around in their hotel room?...those silly journalists?
haha...they were warned about leaving shit lying around their hotel rooms.
Some teams have had money lying around in their rooms stolen. Its their own fault if they dont out it in the safe's that are standard in every hotel.
leave a years salary for a cleaner lying around and you think he wont take it?

And the Italy game and securlty...i was there.
Its not as if there was no security.
Instead of normal wanker security gaurds we had the reserve police force doing the security instead. Went as smooth as a baby's buttocks.
Now they can just fire those old guys and give people who WANT to work the jobs.
Plenty of people looking for work and would do it willingly.

Gothos, on 15 June 2010 - 09:02 AM, said:

Seeing as I've included my own country in my skepticism it's quite amusing that you managed to turn it into an insult.
I just think that developed countries should realistically see their standing and the colossal gap between us and the developed countries. For us to try to act like complete equals is like a factory worker at a grand aristocrat ball. It just looks silly.

It doesnt matter that your own country was included.
What matters is that you feel certain countrys are better than others...and should never get an opportunity to prove themselves.

And for me that smacks of a certain type of elitist attitude...no?

No insult was intended... Its the notion thats sad to me.

[polishgenius]

dktorode, on 15 June 2010 - 08:53 AM, said:

So stating that developing nations should never ever be given a chance to hold these events is not an elitist view now?
His statement was an elitist point of view....period...and i find that sad...period.

I don't see why it's elitist. You might disagree on the assessment of certain countries being unfit to hold it, and yeah, nothing too hectic has gone off just yet in SA (though you blaming the journalists for being robbed at gunpoint is just mad) but the idea that some countries don't have the ability to put it together isn't elitist, it's, as has been said, realistic. You shouldn't be giving it to countries with internal structural and political problems and hoping they'll sort it out, they should sort it out first.

[dktorode]

So you want to argue semantics now?

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elit·ist (-ist)

adjective
Favoring, advocating, or restricted to an elite

Give me a better word for what Gothos was trying to say and i will use that then....ok?
"realist" doesnt really cut it for me.

Gothos, on 14 June 2010 - 10:39 AM, said:

They should really stick with civilized countries with tournaments like this. South Africa is a mistake, just as POL-UKR Euro2012 is a mistake. Korea/Japan was a mistake. USA was a mistake.

Just stick to France/Germany/England/Italy/Spain/Brazil/Argentina, really.

I am not calling gothos an elitist BTW
Only that what he said is an elitist type of point of view....kapeesh?

[Tsundoku]

dktorode, on 15 June 2010 - 08:13 AM, said:

South Africa has had World cup cricket, world cup 20/20, world cup rugby and rugby 7's

Yup.

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Confederations cup

Not global.

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world cup soccer

About as global as you can get.

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and the African cup of nations

So not global.

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Can throw in the Indian Premier League because its so huge the amount of people that came for it was astounding.

Does anyone actually watch that outside of the subcontinent? Again, not global.

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You can scratch off netball and rugby league from that list of yours as they are not exactly major international sporting events ...

And most people in the world would add Rugby Union to that list too. You would also be surprised how many nations play netball and how many participants it has. Your point?

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And, "last 15 years" i said... so scratch cricket off your list too.

Point, my bad. It all blurs together when you get to my age.

Still I do admit it's a pretty good list. As long as we agree World Series Baseball doesn't qualify, that's fair.

[dktorode]

Sombra, on 15 June 2010 - 09:48 AM, said:

And most people in the world would add Rugby Union to that list too. You would also be surprised how many nations play netball and how many participants it has. Your point?

Union has a fairly large world cup compared to league....does league even have one? [img]http://forum.malazanempire.com/public/style_emoticons/default/:thumbsup:.gif[/img]
also if you are going to add netball then why not hockey or ...CHESS!!!
I was talking about major "international" events...not literally "global".
Only trully global event is the olympics in my opinion.

Sombra, on 15 June 2010 - 09:48 AM, said:

Still I do admit it's a pretty good list. As long as we agree World Series Baseball doesn't qualify, that's fair. [img]http://forum.malazanempire.com/public/style_emoticons/default/:D.gif[/img]

Major league baseball?...."WORLD series"?.... dear lord no!!

polishgenius, on 15 June 2010 - 09:27 AM, said:

though you blaming the journalists for being robbed at gunpoint is just mad..

oh yes now i remember... those guys....yup we do have crime.
And unfortunately orientals are considered "soft targets"...


seesm just like you are waiting for something big to happen...so that you can tell me "i told you so"

[Cougar]

DKT, I know this thread is causing you to prematurely go onto your period, but please feel free to calm down and use the MultiQuote option rather than getting excited and double posting all over it like an incontinent old cat pissing all over the lounge.

[dktorode]

Cougar, on 15 June 2010 - 11:35 AM, said:

DKT, I know this thread is causing you to prematurely go onto your period, but please feel free to calm down and use the MultiQuote option rather than getting excited and double posting all over it like an incontinent old cat pissing all over the lounge.

The only person getting exited here is you and your mod hammer...

[Cougar]

You don't really want to see me excited, do you boy?

[Aristai]

Incidently, was I the only who nearly threw up when Platini pulled out the French card for Euro 2016?

[dktorode]

Cougar, on 15 June 2010 - 12:49 PM, said:

You don't really want to see me excited, do you boy?

suppose not...
well... at least not while im prematurely on my period.
although i would like to know how you are so familiar with my ovulation cycle?

[Ulrik]

Wohooo...topic, where are you? Didnt anyone see it? 

(of course, maybe he just changed to declaring who is more developed, whiter, ubermensch, bigcocked...topics are very unstable beings)

[Tsundoku]

OK, this thread just got weird.

And this is from ME.

@Ari
Missed it - what did Platini do?

[caladanbrood]

Well done New Zealand! Definitely deserved to get something from that game

[Cougar]

dktorode, on 15 June 2010 - 01:03 PM, said:

Cougar, on 15 June 2010 - 12:49 PM, said:

You don't really want to see me excited, do you boy?

suppose not...
well... at least not while im prematurely on my period.
although i would like to know how you are so familiar with my ovulation cycle?

Ovulation aside, just try not to double post.

[KalamMekhar]

woohoo! drogba is comin on!

[Soulessdreamer]

caladanbrood, on 15 June 2010 - 02:55 PM, said:

Well done New Zealand! Definitely deserved to get something from that game

Yes a right good bollocking from there coach and a kick in the arse.

I mean while this is the best result we have ever had in a world cup game I can't enjoy it that much simply because I think they could have done better by just remembering and applying the fundermentals.

The number of times the attacking play sputtered out because of no support was rediculous for a game at this level.

The 3o something middie (taylor I think) was the only one I saw hustling and creating oppotunities rather than sitting back and waiting for it to fall int there laps.

On the whole I was dissappointed as the result felt like luck more than skill.

TTFN

This post has been edited by Soulessdreamer: 16 June 2010 - 03:21 AM

[Ulrik]

Damn, thats emotions!

[Tsundoku]

Ulrik, on 16 June 2010 - 06:26 AM, said:

Damn, thats emotions!

How did they let that many North Koreans out of the country at once? I bet 9 out of 10 were security, there to keep an eye on the other 1 out of 10. And each other.

[HoosierDaddy]

Broadcasts here said they were Chinese actors pretending to be North Korean fans.