[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Get a 360. Any DLC will come out sooner and better.

[alt146]

Silencer, on 02 December 2009 - 09:39 AM, said:

@DiBs, to me, and probably for a lot of people, that would *completely* kill the allure of a PS3. The online gaming is already less enjoyable than on Xbox, but the redeeming feature is that it's free. D:

@Alt - exactly, the TV is running a much higher resolution, causing much more strain on the computer. However, the other thing is that a larger screen size negates a lot of the advantage of having a higher resolution, making it pointless to be gaming on that larger screen (given the performance trade-off). Hence why PC games have scalable graphics, the high-end of which is *always* better than what you get on a console. And yes, I think you're sitting at about the max for a 17" - they might go slightly higher, but if they do it'd be a damn expensive screen. Mine's only by 800 'cuz it's a strange physical dimension (laptop, just pointing out), otherwise it'd be *1024. And my other screen (on my gaming rig), is a higher resolution, but it's also larger.

I think it's the other way round... The large size of the screen is exactly why you need a resolution so high - you need to retain a certain number of pixels per square unit to ensure the desired image quality. At a certain point adding more pixels just doesnt make a difference anymore, which is why 17" screens max out around 1280x1024, and almost every TV smaller than 37" is only 720p. The pixels per square is probably higher on a 17" than on a 40", each at their max resolution, but not by enough to actually affect image quality that much... Add to the fact you sit further away from a larger screen and it becomes more difficult to notice the difference.

At the end of the day you'll always be do more post-processing and anti-aliasing etc on a lower resolution, but you are then forced to a smaller viewing area. And there is something to be said about gaming on a giant screen The latest GPUs are supposed to be able to output at 1080p looking as good as they would at lower resolutions, but I'm relying on press releases for that since I havent seen a setup like that myself.

Like I said before - Computers are always going to look better than consoles, since there's a bigger, better GPU out every year, but that's exactly the reason so many people are moving to consoles, since you're guaranteed a performance standard that will last the life of the console.

[Cause]

Raymond Luxury Yacht, on 02 December 2009 - 09:45 AM, said:

Get a 360. Any DLC will come out sooner and better.

DLC?

[alt146]

Downloadable content... Added extras, new features - basically stuff to get you to spend more money and time on a game.

[Tarcanus]

alt146, on 02 December 2009 - 12:56 PM, said:

Downloadable content... Added extras, new features - basically stuff to get you to spend more money and time on a game.

And depending on who you talk to, just another way for game companies to force us consumers to shell out another chunk of cash on an already $60 game when the companies could just take another few months to add it into the final product anyway, without the DLC. I'm very wary about it. I always try to decide on if the added DLC is actually adding something above and beyond the actual game, or if it's adding content that should have and could have been in the final product to begin with. If the former, I will buy it, if the latter, I will not.

[Jusentantaka]

drinksinbars, on 02 December 2009 - 08:52 AM, said:

fraid thats just blatantly untrue the playstation 3 doesnt have backward compatability anymore. i have one and can verify that. it was only the early models that did.

No shit? Doesn't make sense to me that they'd have a feature on their first models and cut it from later ones. I have an old and therefore superior PS3, apparently, because mine does these cool things like play really blocky PS2 games. I guess then there's no hope for playing PS2 games on a new model?

@Alt:

Spoiler

And if anyone is gonna talk piracy, the hell would you bother spending money on a console, and the time to mod-chip or whatever it, when you could just spend the same money making a PC bitchin and download games left and right. You've gotta have a decent computer to be able to pirate a 360 game (so's like you can put it on a disc) so you're already half way there. With the exception that MS doesn't give a fuck if you pirate games on Windows.

Also, My new-fangled 4890's can make my 1080p TV their bitch, even running solo, so it is quite possible to keep up frame rates. Most games are really not so GPU intensive that they'll clog and die on a tv display when they wouldn't on a high res monitor, unless the convert-to-tv code is shoddy.

This post has been edited by Jusentantaka: 02 December 2009 - 05:25 PM

[alt146]

Well because chipping a 360 is ridiculously easy and costs like $20. I dont really care either way, but I've listened to a lot of arguments about the pros and cons of various consoles and that's a factor that comes up a lot, especially in South Africa (where the OP is also from, else I probably wouldnt have mentioned it). Fact is buying a 360 and modding costs about a third of the price of a decent PC, and I know of a couple of people who download and write games for about 15-20 of their friends, so it's not like you even need a PC yourself. I'd rather not have this thread derail into a discussion about piracy, so that's the last that should be said about it.

[Macros]

Discussing illegaility, no thanks.

PS£ is Afaik entirely backwardsly compatible (I play old ps2 games on mine frequently, and downloaded MGS for the psx only this weekend past, ah nostalgic gaming wonder) so long as you have an internet connection to download updates and the like.

Not going tog et into my dislike for Xboxs and their unweildy controllers, but unless you're a halo freak (overrated game btw) it has no exclusive titles I want, so I go for PS3 every time, and alot of my friends are ps3 so the social gaming is covered as well.
has a bluray player (silly xbox hddvd) and a pretty solid internuts browser. Playstation network is free, and very easy to navigate and purchase stuff through if yo want.

plus new slim is seckski and has more space, so masssive brute of a console arguement is out the window (possibility of getting an old big one cheap arises though)

[Obdigore]

The new PS3 systems are not backwards compatable with PS2 games. They discontinued that whole thing. The new 360's don't have the same chipset/heat problem the first two versions did, and even so I had 1 RROD in the what, 3 years now I have had the thing - Which Microsoft replaced free even though it was past its original warranty date.

xbox360, even with a free silver account on xbox live, you can DL compat packs to play your older XBOX games. I don't think they have all of them, but they do have most.

What exclusive title do you want on the PS3 there maccy? There is God of War and ?. I played god of war with my Ps2, fun game but not what I am really into. As noted, Sony lost their best exclusive developer (Square Enix), as the next FF game will be on both consoles.

360 controllers are better in every way than the ps2/ps3 controllers.

as for DLC, well, DLC you can take it or leave it which is nice. I have a friend that has a PS3, and just bought a 360 because he would rather pay 8$ a month for a gaming network that actually works than what the PS3 network is. I have alos heard rumors that Sony is going to start charging for using their network, but I have seen nothing hard on that so cannot state it for sure.

I went with a 360, and in no way regretted the decision, especially since the PS3 is/was like twice as expensive as the 360. The 360 has a better controller, a larger library of games, and neither system really has make-or-break exclusives anymore.

[cerveza_fiesta]

I fully recommend the PS3 unless you are real keen on halo. My thoughts:

• Online community is bigger than PS3, but you have to pay quite a bit
• They do things like "turn off" hacked xboxs at the flip of a switch
• If you want, you can partition a (pre-slim) PS3 and run linux/ubuntu on the partition, making it a console and low-end PC all in one (no gfx drivers for ubuntu yet.
• They are occasionally late (Fallout 3) and and have less downloadable content for PS3 games.
• Blu ray is fucking awesome on a big TV. If you don't have HD, it makes absolutely no difference.
• Digital audio outs for pre-HDMI surround systems, all units come with wifi and HDMI outs. Dunno if XBOX still has versions with no wifi and HDMI.
• If you can find a pre-second release PS3, you have all the back compatability you could want.
• Even if you cant, PS2's are still for sale and only cost about 100 bucks
• They don't fucking break like XBOXs do.
• Crampy controllers for a guy with bigger hands (me).
• 90% of games are multi-console now. Xbox still has more games and some really fun MP ones.
• 3 year warranty on XBOX is because they often need it. They fucking break a lot. Still.

PS3s spend less time in the shop getting fixed and more time entertaining you. That pretty much made up my mind on the matter, but there are other considerations for other people.

The back compatability thing is thus:

First release had a 20gig and 60gig version
-20gig had no back compatability
-60gig had 100% full back compatability via hardware

Next release had a 40gig and 80gig version
-40gig still had no back compatability
-60gig was killed at this time
-80gig had 95% or so back compatability via software emulation -- this is the version of the console I own

Third release was an updated 80gig version
-40gig was killed at this point I think
-80gig originally had back compatability via software emulation

Major software update, version 3.0
-third release 80gigs had the back compatability turned off -- buddy owns one and can no longer play PS2 games
-Second release 80gigs still have back compatability -- tried PS2 games on my own PS3 and it still works

Fourth release was a 120gig version
-no back compatability, original sized case

First release of the PS3 slim 120 gig.
-way better sized unit, no back compatability whatsoever at any time during its life.

Second release of the PS3 slim 250gig
-Way oversized hard drive, no back compatability whatsoever at any time

All of the above in chronological order.

I may be off on some of the fine details. There's a wiki article about it that explains everything in a big table.
http://en.wikipedia....i/PlayStation_3

There you go. I hope that helps.

This post has been edited by cerveza_fiesta: 02 December 2009 - 07:37 PM

[Silencer]

I would point out, I had one red ring of death in four years of owning a Xbox. That xbox? Like the third one sold in NZ. TOTAL first generation. You know why mine didn't break? I'm not a Neanderthal. Treat them like you would a computer - don't drop them, turn them upside down, hit them (alright, so you might do that to a computer, but don't!), so on and so forth...
More to the point, Microsoft is being cool about the issues. They updated the consoles so that new ones don't get the issue, and they will automatically fix your 'box for free *if* it gets the red ring. No matter the warranty. Mine was nearly a whole year out and they still did it for free.

Also, I lol'd at cerveza's list as it pretty much reads with 8 pros for xbox and three for PS3.
>.>

[Tarcanus]

Silencer, on 02 December 2009 - 08:24 PM, said:

I would point out, I had one red ring of death in four years of owning a Xbox. That xbox? Like the third one sold in NZ. TOTAL first generation. You know why mine didn't break? I'm not a Neanderthal. Treat them like you would a computer - don't drop them, turn them upside down, hit them (alright, so you might do that to a computer, but don't!), so on and so forth...
More to the point, Microsoft is being cool about the issues. They updated the consoles so that new ones don't get the issue, and they will automatically fix your 'box for free *if* it gets the red ring. No matter the warranty. Mine was nearly a whole year out and they still did it for free.

Also, I lol'd at cerveza's list as it pretty much reads with 8 pros for xbox and three for PS3.
>.>

This.I've had my box for about a year, now - probably longer, now that I think about it - but I've never had an issue with it. If you treat it gently, don't unplug it while it's in the process of turning of(something I need to let my gf know that she shouldn't do) and just in general don't treat it like it's made of adamantium, then I doubt it has a very high chance of breaking.

I just went out and bought a ps3, too, though, because the few exclusive games that are on the ps3 are way worth it, for me. Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, Heavy Rain(to be released), and ESPECIALLY Heavenly Sword aren't making it to xbox, so for me, the library is everything. I also can't stand the time vampire of online multiplayer, so I bite my thumb in it's general direction.

[Jusentantaka]

Tarcanus, on 02 December 2009 - 09:13 PM, said:

This.I've had my box for about a year, now - probably longer, now that I think about it - but I've never had an issue with it. If you treat it gently, don't unplug it while it's in the process of turning of(something I need to let my gf know that she shouldn't do) and just in general don't treat it like it's made of adamantium, then I doubt it has a very high chance of breaking.

It was really only the first models of either console that had any sorts of physical problems. (much more so the 360 though) Had to return the first 360 we bought 4 times for various shit. PSU went ape shit, wheels on the disc drive got shit somehow -twice- (wouldn't retract, or wouldn't open) and once for some nonsense where is just wouldn't work more than five minutes before freezing. And after the last (about a year back) we told them to give us a new model, and lo and behold! no more problems.

[Silencer]

@Jusen - read my post again. You don't get more first model than that.
(Curiously, in what orientation (flat or vertical) did you leave your 'box?)

@Tarcanus - it's funny, because none of those games appeal to me. Probably why I've got an Xbox. Though, while I do like my Halo and Gears of War, I'm not *that* into them. I just use the 'box for gaming days. If I'm playing normally (barring, for the moment, rentals, games like Assassin's Creed/single-player only games which have no release on PC, or are otherwise released way later), I'll use PC. The 'box is really only for split screen gaming, tbh.

[Jusentantaka]

Silencer, on 02 December 2009 - 11:40 PM, said:

@Jusen - read my post again. You don't get more first model than that.
(Curiously, in what orientation (flat or vertical) did you leave your 'box?)

Just providing a counter example We tried both, and had the disc tray fuck up both ways. No problems with the new model one though, no matter how it sits.

[Silencer]

Just asking, 'cuz of the people I know, who have it horizontal, it breaks. I have it vertical, doesn't break. Though some articles tell you the heating problem is avoided by lying it down, so that's weird. But with it all fixed now, it shouldn't have any problems ever again...^^

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

My buddy had both a 360 and PS3. He just sold his PS3 because he never played it anymore. Take that for whatever it's worth.

Some cool things about the 360. If you have netflix, you can get your netflix movies over your 360 and watch them on your tv, instead of your computer. Sweet. Some really cool indie/arcade games, like Biology Battle and Braid. The controllers are superior. Online network is better, and does more.

Really though, both are good systems. You'll have fun with either. Take a look at exclusive games, that might be the deciding factor.

[drinksinbars]

they are both good systems. glad no one suggested a wii, it sucks

[Silencer]

Wow, we made two pages with no mention of Wii? Amazing.

But I tend to agree with DiBs.

And yes, they are both good systems. That much is clear by the fact they sell, and each has their strong points. Sometimes features/specific purposes are the deciding factor (Blu-ray, free online, vs controllers, larger community), and sometimes it's the exclusives. So those are the key factors you have to weigh up.

[cerveza_fiesta]

Silencer, on 02 December 2009 - 08:24 PM, said:

Also, I lol'd at cerveza's list as it pretty much reads with 8 pros for xbox and three for PS3.
>.>

Lol...I noticed that after writing it. I meant it as more of a pros and cons type of thing rather than trying to promote one or the other.

I am really keen on the fact that you can partition and install unbuntu with the PS3. I looked for the same thing for xbox, thinking now would be a good time to pick up somebody's hacked xbox and turn it into a cheap linux PC for home use. No such luck...there's an effort underway called "free60" but they are in the initial stages. Microsoft didn't build in the 3rd party OS capability like Sony did. Must not have been popular though because the slim doesn't support 3rd party OSs.

Oh, and above RE controllers -- no doubt xbox controllers are better for people with normal sized hands....by far. PS controllers are effing tiny.

RE technical issues, using yourself as an example of an xbox that worked/didn't work is probably not appropriate since a statistical sample of 1 xbox is not a good basis for concluding whether they break or don't break. That said, I don't personally know anybody that experienced red ring of death either...but my friends that have them treat their xboxs very gently + provide adequate ventilation, etc...

Here's a link to the Xbox technical issues wiki article for anybody interested in reading something factual and referenced on the issue

http://en.wikipedia....hing_red_lights

Reports on issues an class action lawsuits against microsoft, plus quotes a few statistics on failure rates. Latest info on there is 2008, and microsoft stated that newer versions of the console have addressed many of the problems from earlier releases. They also said that last year and the year before though, so maybe this time its true. Have a read, kind of interesting.

and a much less extensive discussion on the PS3 wiki page about ps3 tech issues

"On September 17, 2009, the BBC television programme Watchdogaired a report investigating the purported "yellow light of death"issue, which affects about 0.5% of PlayStation 3s. The yellow lightindicates a non-specific hardware failure.The program also noted that the PlayStation 3 has a one-yearwarranty (typical of most consumer electronics products).Out-of-warranty PlayStation 3 owners can pay Sony a set fee for arefurbished console.^[147]

In response to the tone of the program, senior vice president andmanaging director, Ray Maguire issued a document criticizing theprogram and citing potential attempt to harm Sony and PlayStationbrand, and stating that the numbers of faulty PlayStation 3s theprogram mentioned are not evidence of a manufacturing defect.^[148]

According to Ars Technica,the number of PlayStation 3s that have experienced the issue is wellwithin the normal failure rates in the consumer electronics industry."



hope that helps

This post has been edited by cerveza_fiesta: 03 December 2009 - 12:59 PM