[Sadist]

hey guys,
I'm starting work on Genabackis again...
can anyone confirm or deny what Gothos said about there being some possible glaciation on the northeastern part of Genabackis? I know that's where the Toblakai come from, but I can't remember reading anything about there being actual glaciers...I know it's tundra, but that's easy because of the map...
does anyone know anything about this??

This post has been edited by Sadist: 07 June 2010 - 12:43 AM

[D'rek]

Sadist, on 06 June 2010 - 04:45 PM, said:

hey guys,
I'm starting work on Genabackis again...
can anyone confirm or deny what Gothos said about there being some possible glaciation on the northeastern part of Fenabackis? I know that's where the Toblakai come from, but I can't remember reading anything about there being actual glaciers...I know it's tundra, but that's easy because of the map...
does anyone know anything about this??

I forget who, but some other character when talking about Moon's Spawn says Rake found it in the ice at the northern end of Genebackis. I would guess that this was Pannion saying it...

[anothevilbadguy]

Small point that i would have thought Itko Kan should also be considered a major city (i.e. bigger dot), as it is mentioned as important numerous times and led the Itko Kan Confederacy in ROTCG, so seems to be a capital of sorts at one point, or least was the major regional power.

Also, maybe Purage as is highlighted in that big Quan Tali map, but we havent really heard to much about there.

[Hetan]

D, on 06 June 2010 - 05:25 PM, said:

Sadist, on 06 June 2010 - 04:45 PM, said:

hey guys,
I'm starting work on Genabackis again...
can anyone confirm or deny what Gothos said about there being some possible glaciation on the northeastern part of Fenabackis? I know that's where the Toblakai come from, but I can't remember reading anything about there being actual glaciers...I know it's tundra, but that's easy because of the map...
does anyone know anything about this??

I forget who, but some other character when talking about Moon's Spawn says Rake found it in the ice at the northern end of Genebackis. I would guess that this was Pannion saying it...

It was Osserc actually:

Quote

Osric snorted. ‘Only that which was at his very feet. Moon’s Spawn
bore signs of damage, of breaching. Then slaughter. None the less, a few
survived, at least long enough to begin it on its journey home. North,
out over the icefields. Of course, it never made it past those icefields.
Did you know that the glacier that held Moon’s Spawn had travelled a
thousand leagues with its prize? A thousand leagues, L’oric, before
Rake and I stumbled upon it north of Laederon Plateau.’ (HoC)

[Sadist]

awesome, thanks Hetan...
now it's just to locate Laederon plateau.
not on the maps, but if Moon's Spawn travelled 1000 leagues in a glacier...well, that WOULD be massive...enough that the north of Genabackis is actually under the polar icecap...
and even if, as many are wont to do, L'oric was exaggerating, say that 1000 is more like 500 leagues,
then Moon's spawn would have been discovered very near the center of the north pole...
then again, I think werty mentioned that the Malazan fleet had invaded from both the eastern and western coasts...so they'd have to have sailed around the continent somehow...
eh...is this making any sense to anyone?

[Sadist]

anothevilbadguy, on 06 June 2010 - 05:40 PM, said:

Also, maybe Purage as is highlighted in that big Quan Tali map, but we havent really heard to much about there.

ahh. I had originally marked Purage as a larger city, because it is on the major cities of Quon Tali...the text is actually bigger than the surroundings, but the dot is a bit on the small side, I'll see about fixing that...

but Itko Kan? eh, well, why not...the map needs another big city anyways
lol

[Sinisdar Toste]

Sadist, on 06 June 2010 - 06:25 PM, said:

awesome, thanks Hetan...
now it's just to locate Laederon plateau.
not on the maps, but if Moon's Spawn travelled 1000 leagues in a glacier...well, that WOULD be massive...enough that the north of Genabackis is actually under the polar icecap...
and even if, as many are wont to do, L'oric was exaggerating, say that 1000 is more like 500 leagues,
then Moon's spawn would have been discovered very near the center of the north pole...
then again, I think werty mentioned that the Malazan fleet had invaded from both the eastern and western coasts...so they'd have to have sailed around the continent somehow...
eh...is this making any sense to anyone?

thing is, glaciation once reached as far south as darujhistan. lake azur is a glacial lake, the old jaghra til. the laederon plateau is marked on the genebackis maps in gotm and moi and is roughly in the centre of the northern ice fields. there is some mountains that are quite possibly glaciated to the north of it (where rake and osserc would have found moon`s spawn) and then the coast. which is nowhere near the pole. the glaciation was omtose phellack

as an aside, there doesn`t seem to be any bodies of land close enough to the poles to cause any natural glaciation anyhow. all the glaciers we`ve heard of so far have been OP

[Werthead]

Sadist, on 06 June 2010 - 06:25 PM, said:

awesome, thanks Hetan...
now it's just to locate Laederon plateau.

Hmm. Do you have House of Chains handy? I think Laederon Plateau is shown on the extreme close-up of the northern end of Genabackis in that book, along with many towns and villages not seen on the general Genabackis map in GotM and MoI.

[Sinisdar Toste]

Werthead, on 06 June 2010 - 08:25 PM, said:

Sadist, on 06 June 2010 - 06:25 PM, said:

awesome, thanks Hetan...
now it's just to locate Laederon plateau.

Hmm. Do you have House of Chains handy? I think Laederon Plateau is shown on the extreme close-up of the northern end of Genabackis in that book, along with many towns and villages not seen on the general Genabackis map in GotM and MoI.

ah yes, thats the map i was thinking of

[Sadist]

ahh, ok perfect...
I thought I was going completely blind there for a moment...
found it!

@Sinisdar Toste...
the thing about genabackis is that the north IS very close to the pole on the world map... any naturally occurring ice would be very close to the north of Genabackis...
however, now that I'm looking at it...it almost looks like there could be a band of ice nearly ringing the entire planet running in a diagonal line...
following up from Lether, through 7 cities (some extrapolation on my part) through the north of Quon Tali, and finally ending up through Genabackis...
hmmm...
also maybe the planet is just too hot to actually have any naturally occurring poles...and all the water is trapped up in omthos phellack?
I think I kind of like that idea...and might just take off any ice on the poles alltogether...

thanks guys!

[D'rek]

Maybe Moon's Spawn was trapped in a glacier near present-day Darujhistan and traveled 1000 leagues *north* in the glacier?

[D'iversify]

Just out of interest, anyone working on any modifications now to accommodate the Fist map that's recently been released?

[Gothos]

We can use the shape, but size? Placement? Malaz/Jakata is 'fabled' on it, possibly not to scale and/or distance...

[D'iversify]

Gothos, on 29 October 2010 - 08:41 AM, said:

We can use the shape, but size? Placement? Malaz/Jakata is 'fabled' on it, possibly not to scale and/or distance...

Yeah, 'Jakatakan' is a bit of a spanner in the works. Not least because if it's actually that big compared to Korelri then Korelri is hardly continental (by my working out Quon Tali/Falar isn't much bigger than Greenland, and it would be considerably bigger than Korelri on a 'Malaz island to scale' assumption.

Although the assumption about Quon Tali/Falar I based on the scale in House of Chains, and I don't think it's necessarily wise to trust the scales, especially regarding Lether if we take the Midnight Tides scale as given.

[Gothos]

Well, with all the earlier maps we have some sort of reference with a Leagues/Miles ruler, but not with this one. It's rubbing me the wrong way somehow.

[Dolmen 2.0]

Just a matter of querry here but are
we safe to assume climatic factors in the malaz world
reflect climatic conditions on earth?

I ask this with issues in mind.

The seguleh isle, morn and genabeckis I think of as warm or hot arid in climate with mott swamps being further from the equatorial region
Thus similar to conditions on seven cities a desert continent, typical of equator straddling land...

but then contradicting the norm we get the impression the Edur live close to the jheck icelands and
thus must live in a cold environ. korelri I also understand to be quite cold.

These continents and islands are fairly close to what I interpreted as the Equatorial region as depicted in several maps on the forumn
...how is it they are so cold then? am I missing something here as to the composition of Wu and its weather?

This post has been edited by Dolmen: 29 October 2010 - 09:12 AM

[Thel Akai]

I wonder if it would ever be possible to create a vector-based map, maybe using OpenStreetMap tools. Then you could zoom in and out at will and keep the details level. I have very little idea about how much work this would be.

[Gothos]

Dolmen, on 29 October 2010 - 09:10 AM, said:

Just a matter of querry here but are
we safe to assume climatic factors in the malaz world
reflect climatic conditions on earth?

I ask this with issues in mind.

The seguleh isle, morn and genabeckis I think of as warm or hot arid in climate with mott swamps being further from the equatorial region
Thus similar to conditions on seven cities a desert continent, typical of equator straddling land...

but then contradicting the norm we get the impression the Edur live close to the jheck icelands and
thus must live in a cold environ. korelri I also understand to be quite cold.

These continents and islands are fairly close to what I interpreted as the Equatorial region as depicted in several maps on the forumn
...how is it they are so cold then? am I missing something here as to the composition of Wu and its weather?

Jaghut Ice Fields fuck everything up.
Also, temperature across the planet doesn't have to neccesarily very greatly close and far from the equator. In the Cretaceous, there was only like 10 degrees difference between equatorial and polar zones due to high carbon dioxide amounts in the atmosphere at the time.
So, little geography-dependant variation + vast artificial glaciers all over the place = Wu climate. IMO at least.

[champ]

also mentioned in RotCG, the tower where they find Osserc, the sorcerous storms raging around the tower effecting the weather/environment on the entire continent - sucking up all the water making it a dry wilderness (iirc)

basically weather + sorcery = fcked up wu climate

[MTS]

What Gothos said, basically. With the Jaghut-created ice age, there are glacial conditions where you would have never expected to find them i.e. in a relatively non-mountainous region near the equator (Jheck ice fields). I imagine the Fall affected the climate on Korel and its surroundings too. So applying normal climatic conventions to places on Wu can be tricky. In places such as you describe like Seven Cities and Quon Tali though the climate is more what you would expect, so unless something has majorly warped the climate i.e. the Jaghut you can probably make a good judgment on what the climate is like. Really though, we have no idea until SE tells us.