Right, I've gone through the thread - and a sad desert of content that was - and this is what stood out for me.
Alkend, on 08 October 2009 - 06:06 PM, said:
Anthras, on 08 October 2009 - 06:01 PM, said:
@Path-Shaper. Why don't I see an avatar for this Alt?
Clearly you are a Klingon with your cloaking device active.
This post when made originally made me wonder about a connection between the two. Nothing else showed such a connection however, and now Anthras is dead so that puts the nail in that particular coffin.
Korvalain, on 09 October 2009 - 03:54 PM, said:
Korlat, on 09 October 2009 - 03:51 PM, said:
for complaining about fanboys is my guess.
so, a question that's been nagging me for a while now: what is this "sabotage" mechanic?
I guess it has something to do with scums victory condition - they have to disable the ships ability to fly:
from the OP story:
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It is now clearthat the Klingons have infiltrated the ship and will attempt to eitherdamage or destroy the ship ability to fight.
Might be that they can't kill, or don't need to achieve lynch immunity, but rather have to do a certain amount of sabotage. Or something.
Now, this stood out for me because there was no kill. Might just be a coincidence but Korvalain definitly deserves some watching. I didn't notice much from him in either direction following though, so as of now I've got nothing on him apart from this thing.
Kalse, on 09 October 2009 - 05:42 PM, said:
Does anyone have an opinion on the Karosis/Tellan bust up? Genuine antipathy or aggressive distancing?
Kalse obviously fears showing an opinion of his own, but needs to be seen to contribute.
Alkend, on 09 October 2009 - 08:42 PM, said:
That was a stupid thread catchup. The amount of trash posts in this thread could fill a landfill.
Ampelas and Thyrllan are clearly scum. See how much they titter between each other while pretending to vote?
Remove Vote
Vote Thyrllan
GTFO this ship!
This is where Alkend goes on the whole thyrllan ampelas thing of his. Pointing out it makes no sense just makes him angry. The arguments here are thin, but it does get discussion going, and from this post alone that helps the innos.
Anthras, on 09 October 2009 - 09:43 PM, said:
Read up. Ampelas is seriously setting of my scumdar. And I feel a little better that I'm not alone in voicing concerns.
Now as to ending the day without a lynch, or speed lynching the first person who coughed. Do any of you stat whores know how often we actually hit a scum with a random day one lynch?
Then Anthras jumps in. He was actually on of my main suspects until he turned up dead. This seems very much like trying to be tied to a set of arguments and thus contribute, but perhaps he was just suspicious of Ampelas. His death seems to imply the later.
Alkend, on 09 October 2009 - 10:09 PM, said:
Anyway, you do bring up a good point about Amp/Thyr. If Amp is the scummier looking, vote him first. The logic goes lynch the master not the symp, but that has led to a lot of fake symping over time in various games.
Remove Vote
Vote Ampelas
I like Thyr's avatar better anyway.
Alkend, who's so convinced I'm scum, upon being questioned imediatly switches to Ampelas. I actually don't see how his reasoning makes any sense apart from "I'm not to blame!!"..
Kalse, on 09 October 2009 - 10:41 PM, said:
Remind me never to joke in mafia again, someone always takes offense. It's not my fault you lot have no sense of humour. Besides, I'm no maths genius, but odds of 10 to 1 in a game of 15 means I'm not a safe bet doesn't it? I don't know, I don't bet, and I'm tired. Anyhow,
Vote Ampelas
I'm nobody's symp nor scum of any sort, I need to sleep soon and won't be back before day times out (going by P-S last guess), and I do believe in day 1 lynches and the case on him is the only one with any merit really.
Then Kalse, who has been as pointed out earlier, very non-confrontational and mainly has just kept himself to the background, votes as nr 3 for no apparent reason outside of not wanting to seem a symp. Now, I hate people who jump in with a vote without even trying to justify it. Sheep are worse than useless and I'm damn close to initiating a policy of completely disregarding the opinion of those who show themselves to be sheep. They do nothing but take up space anyways and deserve no more regard than does a wall, or a piece of furniture.
But to get back to Kalse. He continues a trend of being non confrontational and scared of actually ruffling anyone's feathers. Later he claims a whole list of reasons for voting, but he didn't list them here and so his anger at being questioned later makes little sense.
Alkend, on 10 October 2009 - 12:44 AM, said:
Well I like the OMGUS vote, but I'm not removing. Not like it matters anyway, this is always dead time on the forum and we ain't getting a lynch.
For the record, Thyr, I didn't vote Amp and you for 'moving the game forward,' I did it for your cutesy interaction. I already told you I skimmed catching up because most of this thread is garbage so far. I didn't even notice you were trying to move the game along, I just saw some bold votes and read the text around them and groaned.
Here Alkend actually admits to voting because Ampelas and I had a "cutesy interaction". "I just saw the bold votes and read the text around them and groaned"? What the hell?
Kalse, on 10 October 2009 - 05:05 PM, said:
It could be that whoever said the Klingons don't have full NK abilities might have been right, although I still tend to think that is optimistic.
Ampelas, on 09 October 2009 - 10:58 PM, said:
*sigh* What I get for trying to get things started.
So, we have:
- Alkend, who initially goes for Thyrllan then decides that people prefer Ampelas.
- Anthras, who doesn't drop a vote but has decided that I'm suspicious because I tried to get things moving by mentioning his name earlier.
- Korlat, who doesn't like nice people.
- Kalse, who also happens to be someone who I've raised suspicions of a kind about.
You know, of those reasons I actually find Korlat's the least scummy? Says something about the other's motives...
Your post says absolutely nothing about my motives, in fact your post merely strawmans me. Did you even read my reasons for voting you? No the case against you wasn't great, when are they on day 1? And you were seeding whatever you try to argue otherwise. May have been simple lack of confidence in what you were saying, but people are frequently lynched for less. (I bloody well know I have been!) Your suspicion against me was that I was testing the waters or some such…well, what's the difference with what you were doing? Except I commented
once on something that seemed odd to me, and what seemed equally odd was that no-one commented on it. I now know why, but not being good at alt guessing it didn't occur to me that RL was interfering in the game. Besides Korlat stated I was symping you, and I'll be buggered if I let that accusation slide, just because I'm the only one with a sense of humour!
That said, given there were no deaths I am actually glad now we didn't have a lynch, as we haven't got a brilliant history day 1 no matter what anyone says (and having reread whilst NOT being half asleep I do think it was more an attempt to get discussion going - and yes I was having a blast talking Star Trek trivia, so bite me. I love Star Trek and for some strange reason hardly ever get the chance to indulge my passion!
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Notice his post where he votes above. How does that coincide with his account here? And just read his post. The only actual points he makes are that he was afraid of being branded a symp and that ampelas was seeding. He placed the third vote for that? By his definition, Kalse was seeding himself, as quoted earlier, and his seeding seems to my mind far more suspicious. Kalse's post just does not make sense from the perspective of an innocent. At least to my mind.
Alkend, on 11 October 2009 - 02:12 AM, said:
I AM A SHEEP.
Vote Korlat
I would rather vote Ampelas simply because Thyrllan opened up today with more QQ-style posting. Speed lynches are definitely bad in most cases, but isn't anyone else at least somewhat concerned with how Ampelas didn't manage to pick up any votes from the last group people who showed up in the day?
He votes korlat because he's a sheep, but would rather vote ampelas or me for his "case" of day 1? Alkend gives no reason for voting korlat. He would like to vote for ampelas or me, but he votes someone else entirely for no reason giving outside of being a sheep. And this is supposed to help the inno faction?
Alkend, on 11 October 2009 - 05:11 AM, said:
All I got out of that is,
"Waaaa, I appear to be crying over voting for someone else." First Ampelas, now Korlat?
All I get out of this is. "I have no good arguments for doing what I do so instead I try to marginalize the content of Thryllans posts to make it seem that there's nothing to his arguments"
In the end, Kalse and Alkend stand out as my two main candidates for scum. In the end, even though I hold that Alkend definitly do not play for anyone but himself, Kalse seems the more suspicious of the two. Alkend seems somewhat daft, and definitly unwilling to play this game as part of the inno team, but that alone does not make him scum. The way kalse's been playing, and how he reacted to being called out. To me that is much more scummy than Alkend's play.
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