[Grief]

Day times out at 4:30 GMT, 4 hours 50 mins from now.

[Bent]

Kaschan, on 09 October 2009 - 10:35 PM, said:

Guys I just read up but now have to go.. maybe up to 30 hrs.... I got called in to a weekend job Anyway I am usually a believer in a lynch first day...but in this case there really hasn't been much to go on. I am not gonna throw a vote before I go. Amp/Thyr doesn't really strike me as scum interaction and I am kinda glad amp started up the serious talk...someone has to. Anyway, I am gonna leave it how it is. I might be able to get in 20 min or so in like 4-6 hrs... but i am not holding my breath. Sorry mods... my weekends are Shit.

Modkill timer will be off during the weekend.

[Bent]

holy shit everyone is on, lol. PUT UP THE DAMN PASSWORDS!!! lol.

[Grief]

I just posted it in SH.

[Bent]

thanks

[Grief]

Not sure about Manager pass though. I don't think it's being used this game however, it's been updated atm I think...

[Kalse]

Remind me never to joke in mafia again, someone always takes offense. It's not my fault you lot have no sense of humour. Besides, I'm no maths genius, but odds of 10 to 1 in a game of 15 means I'm not a safe bet doesn't it? I don't know, I don't bet, and I'm tired. Anyhow,

Vote Ampelas

I'm nobody's symp nor scum of any sort, I need to sleep soon and won't be back before day times out (going by P-S last guess), and I do believe in day 1 lynches and the case on him is the only one with any merit really.

[Kalse]

I think I must have fallen asleep writing that post, I crossed with quite a bit of mod interaction!


Edit: and there were more over the paeg. gah

This post has been edited by Kalse: 09 October 2009 - 10:44 PM

[Atrahal]

Kalse, on 09 October 2009 - 10:43 PM, said:

I think I must have fallen asleep writing that post, I crossed with quite a bit of mod interaction!

I just logged on and then had to double check to make sure that I didn't stumble into SH on accident.

What is the case on Ampelas?

[Ampelas]

*sigh* What I get for trying to get things started.

So, we have:

- Alkend, who initially goes for Thyrllan then decides that people prefer Ampelas.
- Anthras, who doesn't drop a vote but has decided that I'm suspicious because I tried to get things moving by mentioning his name earlier.
- Korlat, who doesn't like nice people.
- Kalse, who also happens to be someone who I've raised suspicions of a kind about.

You know, of those reasons I actually find Korlat's the least scummy? Says something about the other's motives...

[Anthras]

Alkend, on 09 October 2009 - 10:35 PM, said:

Anthras, on 09 October 2009 - 10:11 PM, said:

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I AM wary of anyone who uses this kind of logic to try and deter a lynch, however

Why.


It seam pretty obvious we fail at it big time and all we end up doing is hurt the town.

I'm sorry, did you have a better way at winning this game other than lynching? Do you have some particular reason to not lynch Ampelas or Thyrllan or anybody-but-yourself? You like waiting around to see what happens at night?

My point was just about day one.

[Ampelas]

Atrahal, on 09 October 2009 - 10:46 PM, said:

Kalse, on 09 October 2009 - 10:43 PM, said:

I think I must have fallen asleep writing that post, I crossed with quite a bit of mod interaction!

I just logged on and then had to double check to make sure that I didn't stumble into SH on accident.

What is the case on Ampelas?

I made a joke that people seem to think implies scum interaction. Oh, and for being a nice person, apparently. No room for those in Mafia, it seems .

Got to say though, whenever I've had the chance to play scum, I've been mortally afraid of over-interacting early. Doesn't really come naturally - I don't really have the stomach to play by the seat of my pants like that.

[Thyrllan]

Alkend, on 09 October 2009 - 08:42 PM, said:

That was a stupid thread catchup. The amount of trash posts in this thread could fill a landfill.

Ampelas and Thyrllan are clearly scum. See how much they titter between each other while pretending to vote?

Remove Vote
Vote Thyrllan

GTFO this ship!

Clearly scum? For being the only two people discussing the game?

Alkend, on 09 October 2009 - 10:07 PM, said:

Telas, on 09 October 2009 - 09:47 PM, said:

Alkend's comment on the Thyr/Amp thing had me do a reread of that too.

I got a joking vibe from it, but that said Amp looked scummier of the two. Having casted votes against Thyr twice
(one for failing to show up, which was a cross post with Thyr arriving. The other jokingly) while Thyr didn't vote at all.
I'm not sure why Alkend chose Thyr of the two, maybe he sees something we don't.

Though Alkend dropped his vote and then just disappeared too. Seemed a little strange as some of us were around.

I have meetings today, but I'm here, T-Unit. Hardly seems to matter because all that people are talking about is ST chronology and terminology and then a bunch of stupid things (super descriptive, right? I was so annoyed I couldn't stand to read all of it.).

ANYWAY, it's possible to say that Ampelas was symping Thyr with those two big signal votes. Look at the number of people sitting at 1 vote today. How hard would it be for a scumbody to signal his or her master with a fake vote?

To whoever asked about "Day 1 scum lynches" it did happen really recently, in a game without CFs. And then in Spycraft, lots of people THOUGHT the first guy lynched might be scum due to his crazy CF, but it turned out he wasn't. I AM wary of anyone who uses this kind of logic to try and deter a lynch, however.

And when was the last time anyone saw a signal vote? Twice? Signal votes are brought up now and again for reasons to vote, but have this ever been accurate? I can't remember it happening since the very first games where no one knew what we were doing anyway

Alkend, on 09 October 2009 - 10:09 PM, said:

Anyway, you do bring up a good point about Amp/Thyr. If Amp is the scummier looking, vote him first. The logic goes lynch the master not the symp, but that has led to a lot of fake symping over time in various games.

Remove Vote
Vote Ampelas

I like Thyr's avatar better anyway.

You know, this is why we get so many lurkers day 1. The few people who try to contribute are lynched for contributing. They pretend to be, you see. Only scum would do something like that. Well, I've beeen lynched day 1 for posting rational, logical thoughts and I'm not going to jump on Ampelas, the seemingly only player willing to push this game in the right direction, for doing what is best for the inno team.

This is like the Korvalain lynch in the spycraft game, and we know that was a load of bullshit as the lynch happened purely because he thought it prudent to try to advance the interests of the inno faction.

I'm not saying that Ampelas is inno. I'm saying that lynching him for being willing to play this game and not just list star trek trivia is dumb. And yeah, I know you'll all jump on me for being stressed and symping Ampelas and ladi da, but this is something I feel strongly about and its a development that just keeps on fucking our games up.

This post has been edited by Thyrllan: 09 October 2009 - 11:20 PM

[Korlat]

actually, we've had signal votes in that recent-ish game where Obdi was a symp. he joke-voted both his masters day1


never got caught for it either.

[Korlat]

for the record, amp:

there's getting discussion started--that usually involves accusing someone and voting, and seeing their reaction, etc.

and then there's pointing out little things and asking everyone what they think of them, without getting on anyone's bad side specifically.

the latter's what I think you were trying to do, and that's usually how scum play, imho.

[Anthras]

Ampelas, on 09 October 2009 - 10:58 PM, said:

*sigh* What I get for trying to get things started.

So, we have:

- Alkend, who initially goes for Thyrllan then decides that people prefer Ampelas.
- Anthras, who doesn't drop a vote but has decided that I'm suspicious because I tried to get things moving by mentioning his name earlier.
- Korlat, who doesn't like nice people.
- Kalse, who also happens to be someone who I've raised suspicions of a kind about.

You know, of those reasons I actually find Korlat's the least scummy? Says something about the other's motives...

Do you see what I'm on about now? I'm not voting because I'm not positive a day one lynch is the best option.

[Tulas Shorn]

I'm with Thry in that I don't think Ampelas is worth a day 1 lynch because he tried to be serious. However, I've seen joke voting to signal more than a couple of times recently, so looking for that possibility seems prudent.

I think we need a lynch, but damned if I know who.

[Ampelas]

Korlat, on 09 October 2009 - 11:26 PM, said:

for the record, amp:

there's getting discussion started--that usually involves accusing someone and voting, and seeing their reaction, etc.

and then there's pointing out little things and asking everyone what they think of them, without getting on anyone's bad side specifically.

the latter's what I think you were trying to do, and that's usually how scum play, imho.

I would have dropped votes on both occasions, but I keep end up finding things just before I have to leave, and I don't really like leaving votes on for long periods of time on Day 1. But I see what you mean about that. I shall try and be more aggressive on that front in the future.

Tonight I do want to lay a vote down. I usually prefer a lynch on Day 1, especially in CFed games (as long as it's not pushed through at the 11th hour - they don't provide much information that way), but with the most votes on me right now I'm reconsidering that stance .

Think I'm going to go with Alkend - didn't like how fast that switch from Thyrllan to myself came. It's a subconscious tendency of scum to let themselves be easily swayed...I've noticed myself doing it on occasion in the past.

Vote Alkend

[Ampelas]

I should point out that I consider 4 hours (that's how long we've got, right?) plenty of time...it's only not enough if noone's around. If it gets down to one or two hours though, I'm less likely to think the same way.

[Ampelas]

Of course, we'll have to get a conversation going...anyone?