[Spite]

Liosan, on 23 September 2009 - 04:48 PM, said:

So here you say it was a Total Joke Vote

Spite, on 22 September 2009 - 02:40 PM, said:

As I was saying. My original vote on Silachs was a total joke vote and it has been interesting to see how the train has piled up.

Here you say it was because he gave decent reasons not to be lynched.

Spite, on 23 September 2009 - 04:37 PM, said:

To answer you sil got on and gave some decent reasons to not be lynched. Uptill then I was fine with his lynch as I subscribe to the must lynch theory.

Since When have you needed decent reasons to defend a joke vote.... by definition its a joke.. not real. You are back tracking now. Making no sense. for now

vote Silchas Ruin

still open to other cases, but i really don't like your shifty play. As well as your obvious need to get to high levels as quick as possible.

Ummm are you reading what your quoting? He gave decent reasons for me to remove my vote. Were is the back tracking? Strawmanning much.

[Spite]

Anomandaris, on 23 September 2009 - 04:57 PM, said:

@Liosan, I don't understand why you're voting for Silchas? You spend the whole post talking about Spite's shifty play, and then slap a vote on Silchas. Are you subscribing to the 'find the symp, vote the master' theory?

It seems that both Liosan and Gamelon are doing that. But in a Merc game that doesn't work the same way. Could be that they are both pissed that Sil wasn't lynched yesterday. Must have messed something up for them. Or they were denied in their actions last night.

[Anomandaris]

Spite, he's saying that the fact you labeled it a 'joke vote' is inconsistent with how you played. You acted as if it was an honest-to-God serious vote, when in your own words it wasn't.

EDIT: x-post

This post has been edited by Anomandaris: 23 September 2009 - 05:01 PM

[Spite]

Anomandaris, on 23 September 2009 - 05:00 PM, said:

Spite, he's saying that the fact you labeled it a 'joke vote' is inconsistent with how you played. You acted as if it was an honest-to-God serious vote, when in your own words it wasn't.

EDIT: x-post

Well if he had gotten lynched then it would have been a serious vote, and I would have been labled scum for having left it on for the entire game. Sil was only on a couple of times yesterday, the first time that he defended himself was pretty pathetic. The second time was much better. So I removed it.

[Spite]

I also played all day yesterday as a giant joke. I mean come on I had over a hundred posts in one day. That is pretty impressive.

[Anomandaris]

Spite, on 23 September 2009 - 04:59 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 23 September 2009 - 04:57 PM, said:

@Liosan, I don't understand why you're voting for Silchas? You spend the whole post talking about Spite's shifty play, and then slap a vote on Silchas. Are you subscribing to the 'find the symp, vote the master' theory?

It seems that both Liosan and Gamelon are doing that. But in a Merc game that doesn't work the same way. Could be that they are both pissed that Sil wasn't lynched yesterday. Must have messed something up for them. Or they were denied in their actions last night.

Gamelon expressed fears that Silchas would become a scapegoat, a 'must lynch' persona and therefore a distraction, and so must be removed. Just like Galain was in the last game. So it kind of makes sense from that perspective, but I agree, in a merc game, it's fairly nonsenical without some evidence that he is indeed scum. Voting off an inno because he's most likely not on your team (just like Game did to Korv...) is not the way to play this game. Winning it for the innos first is a more effective strategy than isolating your own faction. You weaken the inno team, and it's easier for scum to hide. It's points based anyway, so why lynching a possible inno is preferable to lynching scum (just look at how our CF turned out...) is beyond me.

[Liosan]

Spite, on 23 September 2009 - 04:54 PM, said:

Liosan, on 23 September 2009 - 04:40 PM, said:

Spite, on 23 September 2009 - 04:33 PM, said:

yeah...cause it looks to me that you are defending gamelon. Which tells me a lot about you.

How exactly am I defending Gamelon? I brought up these points yesterday. Before the lynch.

Next time you don't want to look like you are rushing to someone defense don't include one of their recent quotes.

*snip*

As for trying to understand PS scenes. I don't think that there is anything wrong with trying to figure out who is who in them. Isn't that what you and Gamelon were trying to do with me and Barghast? So the difference is what exactly.

*snip*


Why am I curious about that scene well because a lot of information was passed to us in it. Why wouldn't I be curious? Aren't you curious about it Kaschan?

-.- ummm his post was merely to put your overreaction to one vote, and subsequent OMGUS, in context. Whatever, Gamelon might be on my team.. i am pretty clueless as far as that goes right now. But, that doesn't mean I don't agree with him.


Part 2: Was that to me or someone else?


Agreed.

[Liosan]

Anomandaris, on 23 September 2009 - 04:57 PM, said:

@Liosan, I don't understand why you're voting for Silchas? You spend the whole post talking about Spite's shifty play, and then slap a vote on Silchas. Are you subscribing to the 'find the symp, vote the master' theory?

Yup

[Anomandaris]

Spite, on 23 September 2009 - 05:03 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 23 September 2009 - 05:00 PM, said:

Spite, he's saying that the fact you labeled it a 'joke vote' is inconsistent with how you played. You acted as if it was an honest-to-God serious vote, when in your own words it wasn't.

EDIT: x-post

Well if he had gotten lynched then it would have been a serious vote, and I would have been labeled scum for having left it on for the entire game. Sil was only on a couple of times yesterday, the first time that he defended himself was pretty pathetic. The second time was much better. So I removed it.

The two aren't interchangeable however Spite. It either was a joke vote, or it wasn't. Unless it was a joke vote, turned serious, then became a joke vote again, I don't know how you can justify your play style. Even that is hard to justify.

[Liosan]

Spite, on 23 September 2009 - 04:58 PM, said:

Liosan, on 23 September 2009 - 04:48 PM, said:

So here you say it was a Total Joke Vote

Spite, on 22 September 2009 - 02:40 PM, said:

As I was saying. My original vote on Silachs was a total joke vote and it has been interesting to see how the train has piled up.

Here you say it was because he gave decent reasons not to be lynched.

Spite, on 23 September 2009 - 04:37 PM, said:

To answer you sil got on and gave some decent reasons to not be lynched. Uptill then I was fine with his lynch as I subscribe to the must lynch theory.

Since When have you needed decent reasons to defend a joke vote.... by definition its a joke.. not real. You are back tracking now. Making no sense. for now

vote Silchas Ruin

still open to other cases, but i really don't like your shifty play. As well as your obvious need to get to high levels as quick as possible.

Ummm are you reading what your quoting? He gave decent reasons for me to remove my vote. Were is the back tracking? Strawmanning much.

LOL you are missing the point. Why do you need a reason to remove a Joke vote! Your prior defense of the vote, as quoted earlier, shows that initially you weren't playing as if it was a joke vote... I guess I am just not being clear.

[Liosan]

Anyway, I have to get back to work. I will hopefully be able to check up in a few hours

[Liosan]

Anomandaris, on 23 September 2009 - 05:08 PM, said:

Spite, on 23 September 2009 - 05:03 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 23 September 2009 - 05:00 PM, said:

Spite, he's saying that the fact you labeled it a 'joke vote' is inconsistent with how you played. You acted as if it was an honest-to-God serious vote, when in your own words it wasn't.

EDIT: x-post

Well if he had gotten lynched then it would have been a serious vote, and I would have been labeled scum for having left it on for the entire game. Sil was only on a couple of times yesterday, the first time that he defended himself was pretty pathetic. The second time was much better. So I removed it.

The two aren't interchangeable however Spite. It either was a joke vote, or it wasn't. Unless it was a joke vote, turned serious, then became a joke vote again, I don't know how you can justify your play style. Even that is hard to justify.

Thank you!!! at least someone gets it.

[Path-Shaper]

I'm here for several minutes, not much longer. Will answer PMs, process actions and hop on H & M, but will probably not do a vote count, that will have to wait for a while.

[Spite]

It was a joke vote that was left on all day, and yes when there is an hour and a half till day times out I do need good reasons to remove a vote. Even if it was laid on for no real reason. Ps also got on and cleared up some of the misnomers that had most of you were using to vote for sil.

Why did you decide to remove your vote gamelon and vote for korv? Oh and not that bullshit reason that you gave ealier?

[D'riss]

Spite, I would also like to know how you justify your play - it does seem inconsistent. Why not explain what happened instead of denying it. That alone makes you look scummy.


Edit: xpost! dammit!

This post has been edited by D'riss: 23 September 2009 - 05:35 PM

[Gamelon]

what bullshit reason, scum? fact is if someone is on and doesnt go for a lynch you can pretty much rule out american as their town faction. i had it wrong, the brits actually earn points by recieving votes but the premise is the same. it costs my faction more for me to miss a lynch and it was obvious korv was going.

@ano - this is still a town versus scum game. to me spite protected silchas and though i started the day voting for spite i decided the only way to see if he was going to break was to put the pressure on silchas again and see how hard he pushed the other way. its also amusing the only person who claims there are no symps in this game is the person suspected of being one. that little nugget made about as much sense as a bag of dicks, why would ps go to the trouble of saying scum are within the town factions if they would all cf as scum? clearly there must be symps out there.

@spite - as far as i know being in a lover style off thread comms situ and stating on thread that that is the case reveals nothing about your faction and so isnt modkillable. what you are trying to do is find the person in the scene so they will get modkilled. two very different ways of playing. much like town and scum. its funny how you keep linking me with town things yet are still voting for me. for one you think i am the russian in the scene. and for another you have linked me on numerous occassions to korvalain who came back as spy not syndicate. yet your still voting for me. you clearly believe i am russian and town, yet your still wanting to get me lynched.

[Anomandaris]

Spite, on 23 September 2009 - 05:29 PM, said:

It was a joke vote that was left on all day, and yes when there is an hour and a half till day times out I do need good reasons to remove a vote. Even if it was laid on for no real reason. Ps also got on and cleared up some of the misnomers that had most of you were using to vote for sil.

You're still missing the point though. Joke votes, regardless of their life span, are just that. Jokes. Votes made on a whim, not to be taken seriously. You, on the other hand, made the joke, and then when points were made about Silchas, you very much agreed with them, even when they were horribly flimsy to anyone with a modicum of literacy and deductive reasoning. That's fine, however. A case was made on someone you had a joke vote on, and you agreed with it, so no need to change or even remove the vote. Later on though, you pass it off as a joke vote once more, and ask for serious reasons to switch that vote, despite it being in your own words a joke. As Liosan rightly stated, joke votes don't need a reason to be recanted, as they're not based on seriousness in the first place. The fact you labeled it as a joke - twice - is just really odd, and inconsistent with your defending said vote with serious claims. That's all.

Quote

Why did you decide to remove your vote gamelon and vote for korv? Oh and not that bullshit reason that you gave ealier?

This is the 'oh fuck it, he's not on my team, so I'll vote him to get a lynch' post you're referring to right?

[Galain]

Let me go read up on what I missed. Back in a few.

[Anomandaris]

Gamelon, on 23 September 2009 - 05:39 PM, said:

@ano - this is still a town versus scum game. to me spite protected silchas and though i started the day voting for spite i decided the only way to see if he was going to break was to put the pressure on silchas again and see how hard he pushed the other way. its also amusing the only person who claims there are no symps in this game is the person suspected of being one. that little nugget made about as much sense as a bag of dicks, why would ps go to the trouble of saying scum are within the town factions if they would all cf as scum? clearly there must be symps out there.

Well the actions that looked like recruitment pretty much guarantee (if we're guessing correctly, that is) that there are symps in the factions, but they weren't symps originally. If they gain symps by recruitment, how could Spite have been symping Silchas on day 1? Because they have 'no team on the island', it doesn't make sense that they already have symps until they recruit, which they couldn't have on day 1, or we would've noticed.

[Gamelon]

heres two quotes from around the time of the lynch, i already quoted your votes before. you jumped on emur cause he was leading, and when things turned to korv you came back well befoore the deadline and hammered him. its before that i am concerned about.

Spite, on 22 September 2009 - 04:45 PM, said:

Man I could really use the time and vote count. Are there enough people here to go on to Korv. I could vote for either him or Emurlahn.

looking around for another lynch

Spite, on 22 September 2009 - 04:50 PM, said:

I see 9 people on. Which should be more then enough to lynch Emurlahn if we so choose. I think that the question that people are asking themselves is who is a better lynch for them. Since this is a Merc game that is a difficult question to answer.

pushing another lynch. you are relentless in wanting a lynch, but the player who had at one point seven votes is suddenly a no go and your looking for nine people to swing the lynch!

now lets move to todays theatrics

Spite, on 23 September 2009 - 01:39 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 23 September 2009 - 12:15 PM, said:

Spite, on 23 September 2009 - 11:48 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 23 September 2009 - 08:02 AM, said:

so glad night didnt actually last twenty four hours, that would have sucked. No cf to explin away korvalain which is a pity, though given the number of near deaths i dont think that will be a problem tonight.

vote spite

You turned that lynch yesterday rather quickly against someone you were happy to vote for when a lynch was unlikely. Also you have filled the thread with nonesense, so seem desperate to get up the levels so its pretty clear you must have some abilities you really want. if you were a symp i would say you were symping silchas, but i get the distinct impression he is just cannon fodder for you to push out front and use as the game goes on.

Yeah I turned a lynch on to Korvalain. Except for the fact that I originally voted for Emurlahn. You must have missed that smart guy. I was the first one to remove my vote for Sil but obviously there were a lot of other people who were having second thoughts about lynching him to. *sarcasm ahead* Unless I am just so good that I was able to vote for someone else and then go offline and convince 7 people to vote for the person that I wasn't voting for* I think that is it. Your trying to strawman a vote on to me.

So OMGUS

Vote Gamelon


Next time come up with a real reason not bullshit.

doesnt bother me who you voted for you pillock, its the fact that you joke voted silchas and then pushed really hard when it was 'obvious' silchas was the lynch. that you tried to vote off emurlahn on a paper thin case and as he had more votes at the time just cements my opinion about you. Wheres all that spam gone too, or is being challenged too much for you slinky?

Was Korv your butt buddy or something is that why you have a hard on now?

Once I fully get online I will be posting just as much as I was yesterday no worries on that account.

Obviously you have read the thread and are now just grabbing stuff willy nilly. Sil made a good argument for why the train on him was bullshit. He made some good points and I happened to agree with him. By no stretch of the imagination did I push really hard. I agreed that there wasn't a case on him. Path-shaper showed up and pointed out that everything that Sil had said was in either the op scene or in the sign up.

I don't mind being challenged at all. I kind of relish it actually. That paper thin case on Emurlahn was still more then what was on Sil.

here you put forward the suggestion that korv was on my team, yet we know he came back spy. you also call the case on emur paper thin but were happy topush it as opposed to the one on silchas.

Spite, on 23 September 2009 - 01:54 PM, said:

Omtose, on 23 September 2009 - 01:49 PM, said:

Ok im not sure about most of the actions we saw. It does look like a few recruits, guards maybe some BP's and a few actions we may not have seen before, possibly to do with these operations in the winning conditions.
About the 4 factions for korv, i think he probably wasnt scum as PS said we would be told if we hit one of them but i guess symp is possible.

I am going to venture out and say that this game doesn't have symps. It is basically a 5 sided Merc game. No symps.

So you a re saying now there arent any symps when its pretty clear there must be. but even if you honestly believe this and you are linking me with the russians and a cf of spy your still voting for me? what have you got to say about that?

oh wait let me get my quote book.

Spite, on 23 September 2009 - 02:51 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 23 September 2009 - 02:48 PM, said:

Spite, on 23 September 2009 - 02:47 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 23 September 2009 - 02:41 PM, said:

Ok caught up, a couple things.

First up the case on Spite. I'm not sure about it, he rung a couple bells with me but then again so did Gamelon. I don't really have any other suspects outside Gut feelings at the moment. It could be worthwhile going back to seeing the trains on Silchas and how it moved to Korvalain. I'll try and get onto that next.
Got no one I really want to vote for at the moment either

Second, that interragation seems interesting. I notice this in the OP about mod kills for postings.

Path Shaper said:

The sole exception is when temporarily taken out of the game through an ability.

So sounds like someone at the moment can't post and has been captured? My take on it.

So would that mean that they can post now, but couldn't post while they were being interragated.

if thats how it works that might make sense.

Are you the friendly russian in the scene Gamelon?

again pushing that i am russian and then...

Spite, on 23 September 2009 - 04:08 PM, said:

@ Gamelon. Well from the scene it seemed like it was the Russian who had the lover info. So by going after him I am getting a lot of info out.
I am leaving my vote on you as I don't have a better place to put it right now.

Edit @ gamelon

Your reason for voting me is because you suspect its me in a scene, and you dont have anywhere better to put it.

Spite, on 23 September 2009 - 04:29 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 23 September 2009 - 04:17 PM, said:

but you think its me, right? therefore you think i am russian and are still voting for me.

that tells me a few major things.

firstly your not russian

and secondly your not town either.

Ummm slick I was voting for you before the scene. You are the only one here trying to connect the scenes and my vote for you.

I do think that you are the most likely suspect to be the Russian. However Anomandaris brought up a good point about all of the other people who it could be.

That is a pretty baseless accusation there. Smacks of hyper defensiveness to me.

My point is that you have connected me with the scene, you think i am linked to a spy (korv) and you think i am russian, yet you are voting me. This is a scum vs town game or am i mistaken in that?