[Korvalain]

I thought it came quite clear out of the text Tapper demaneded on pain of death that we read. but maybe I'm remembering it wrong

[Gamelon]

i know that now, i just didnt notice it when reading the rules. thats the only mention, and when team names are explicitly stated its spies versus scum, not syndicate.

[Korvalain]

Gamelon, on 22 September 2009 - 08:45 AM, said:

Korvalain, on 22 September 2009 - 08:40 AM, said:

Omtose, on 21 September 2009 - 09:05 PM, said:

Hello. Ok i find it interesting that after all the warning to read the OP a few people some how didnt know that the syndicate was the scum, i mean i only gave it a quick look through and i got that much, so it does seem like jumping on the first person to do something ( speak spanish) even if it wasnt much and then peopletry and find reasons for it.

Very is not the right word perhaps, but this thing just stood out to me. Coupled with a substansial lack of activity following this seems suspicious to me. Again though, it's a gut feeling and thus hard to pin down.

I dunno, there's just the... tone... that seems to match my own posting pattern when playing scum. Not posting anything else fans the flame a little. It's risky for killers to be out day 1, whereas the innos benefit as a team from talking.

am i being dense here, but pathshaper has the scum down as scum in the team listings. that syndicate as scum thing looks throwaway even now when i read it. i am actually surprised people picked up on it as i honestly never noticed it. Now if i am in a minority, clearly i need to read more thoroughly, but why did omtose feel the need to reiterate emurlahsn defense of ruin? It was only two votes, one of which was from spite who has been more spamming than serious.

Yeah. I'm always suspicious of people who defend other people on day 1. A strange paranoia perhaps, but the scum tend to be in the forefront of that department.

[Korvalain]

stupid net

removed double post

This post has been edited by Korvalain: 22 September 2009 - 08:56 AM

[Silchas Ruin]

Gamelon, on 22 September 2009 - 08:36 AM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 22 September 2009 - 08:28 AM, said:

Hmm, looks like a cross-post. Gamelon, what specifically in my first post are you having trouble with?

i pretty much missed everything you gleamed straight off the bat. most especially the syndicate point as the teams are set out as spies and scum then into nationality. My guess is you were given info saying you are a syndicate member and infiltrating one of the nationalities. either that or you read better than i do which isnt as unlikely as it sounds i would be interested in your take on the ruse post where he mentions you and signalling as well.

I am really not able to follow what you are trying to say in your first sentence. All of us were given the info that the syndicate have infiltrators in the town spy groups, so I don't understand where you are coming from here. And even if I did have extra information about infiltration, why would I reveal it in my first post? Do I seem that dense to you? I was just making slightly eduacated guesses to spark conversation. You know, God forbid we talk about something other than boxes of condoms and drinking songs.

As for Ruse, I dunno what his deal is. He seemed to just be over-analyzing my post same as you.

edit: missing a preposition

This post has been edited by Silchas Ruin: 22 September 2009 - 08:59 AM

[Korvalain]

Gamelon, on 22 September 2009 - 08:53 AM, said:

i know that now, i just didnt notice it when reading the rules. thats the only mention, and when team names are explicitly stated its spies versus scum, not syndicate.

Ah.. Curious then. I just figured it was the word used as I came into the thread late. Makes Silchas more suspicious, though I'd not go as far as say it's particularly damning.

[Gamelon]

one more thing, as i was perusing the rules to see how clear this syndicate thing is.

Path-Shaper, on 21 September 2009 - 07:29 AM, said:

3. Iron Man:

Anynight- or day-action you send in is resolved IMMEDIATELY. Noprovisionals, no ifs, buts or recalls. We will therefore not acceptpeople who send in day actions in the final hour of night, or viceversa either.

Path-Shaper, on 22 September 2009 - 05:26 AM, said:

It is quiet. Perhaps a little tooquiet. A boy runs after a man in a well-tailored suit. The man walksbriskly, unaware of the boy chasing him down. Moments later, the boycatches the man and grabs him by the wrist sleeve. The man, takenaback, is startled, but the boy holds out a small billfold. The mansmiles and takes it, patting the boy on the head. The boy returns thegrin and turns to scamper off when the man calls out and reaches intothe billfold and pulls out a slip of currency. He hands it to the boyand says something inaudible. You couldn't wipe the smile off thechild's face if you tried. He runs off, and the man, chuckling, headsback down his path.

The sun continues its trickle across the sky. It is quiet.

--

It is Day 1. 12 hours and 32 minutes remaining

17Players still alive: Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galain,Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra,Omtose, Ruse, Silchas Ruin, Spite, Tulas Shorn

9 votes to lynch, 9 votes to go to night

2 votes for Silchas Ruin: ( Spite, Gamelon )

Playersnot voted: Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood'sPath, Kaschan, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Ruse, SilchasRuin, Tulas Shorn

--

PB signing off for the night, you should have Silencer to help you.

Kaschan, on 22 September 2009 - 05:39 AM, said:

Yeah i agree about the too simple part, whats stopping us just posting the letter a 500 times?

Barghast, on 22 September 2009 - 05:48 AM, said:

annoyed viggers?

it states in the rules that any action is resolved immeadiately. Therefore as barghast seems to be the target of the vig attempt, that kaschan is the vig as he is the only other person on. I doubt a scum would have a level 0 day vig but this is going to give away alot of info if this is going to continue throughout the game.

[Emurlahn]

But it the rest of Silchas post that has me concerned. Why suggest that scum members may have infiltrated your team? Ok the scum side first story post mentioned infiltrators but surely the infiltrators are in the country's government as the post suggests that they were there for a while.

I mean it reads more as an attempt to make town players suspicious of guys they suspect may be in there team, I mean maybe that post is to put in the back of the head, there could be a double agent somewhere who going to stab me in the back. If we spend our time watching each other expecting a knife in the back we are more likely to get knifed from the front by the scum.

Vote Silchas Ruin

[Korvalain]

Silchas Ruin, on 22 September 2009 - 08:56 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 22 September 2009 - 08:36 AM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 22 September 2009 - 08:28 AM, said:

Hmm, looks like a cross-post. Gamelon, what specifically in my first post are you having trouble with?

i pretty much missed everything you gleamed straight off the bat. most especially the syndicate point as the teams are set out as spies and scum then into nationality. My guess is you were given info saying you are a syndicate member and infiltrating one of the nationalities. either that or you read better than i do which isnt as unlikely as it sounds i would be interested in your take on the ruse post where he mentions you and signalling as well.

I am really not able to follow what you are trying to say in your first sentence. All of us were given the info that the syndicate have infiltrators in the town spy groups, so I don't understand where you are coming from here. And even if I did have extra information about infiltration, why would I reveal it in my first post? Do I seem that dense to you? I was just making slightly eduacated guesses to spark conversation. You know, God forbid we talk about something other than boxes of condoms and drinking songs.

As for Ruse, I dunno what his deal is. He seemed to just be over-analyzing my post same as you.

edit: missing a preposition

It's a pretty believable slip up actually. It can't just be shrugged off.

And i interpreted it thus they have infiltrators in the populace, not necessarily in our teams - though it is of course possible. Certanties in games such as this is pretty dangerous as it makes us less willing to adapt our thinking as we learn more.

Also, do you believe that each faction know all the members?

[Gamelon]

Silchas Ruin, on 22 September 2009 - 08:56 AM, said:

All of us were given the info that the syndicate have infiltrators in the town spy groups

Are you referring to your pm or to the opening scene?

[Korvalain]

You know what, I'm going to

Vote Silchas ruin

As of now, he seems by far the best candidate, though that's not saying much.

[Gamelon]

i dont see how team infiltrators would even work. surely if they infiltrate a town team and are given info about that team they have an unfair advantage?

[Korvalain]

It could be the other way around. The person(s) you've been told are on your team could in reality be of the scum team

[Path-Shaper]

Gamelon, on 22 September 2009 - 08:47 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 21 September 2009 - 07:29 AM, said:

Victory Conditions:

Spies (regardless of nationality): Eliminate the scum.
However, that is only half of their victory condition.
The nation with the highest number of points will bring down El Presidente and replace him with their own puppet. All the other spies lose.

Scum: Achieve a majority.

Game Goals: these aren't mutually exclusive, but will give bragging rights and, in case of a town victory, will determine the winning faction.

No mention of syndicate here. Scum are simply called scum.

OK, it seems I should have been clearer.
spies are town.
syndicate are scum

[Path-Shaper]

One more thing that I had hoped to clarify by the way Role PMs were structured.
There are spies of 4 nationalities, as correctly surmised.
Syndicate players also have a nationality, and it is not a 5th, different one.
They may or may not share the same nationality with one or more spies.

[Gamelon]

i would guess there may be symps who upon death appear as a certain nationality, that is a given as they have to appear to come from somewhere, but giving them info beyond their masters, or even misleading the town as to their alignment beyond cf's and possibly finders as the game begins seems both unnecessary and unbalanced.

[Gamelon]

cross post. that is interesting.

[Gamelon]

now that i mention it, there doesnt seem to be anything about a cf. is coroner finder in effect? and to what degree of info does the cf contain?

[Path-Shaper]

Gamelon, on 22 September 2009 - 09:33 AM, said:

now that i mention it, there doesnt seem to be anything about a cf. is coroner finder in effect? and to what degree of info does the cf contain?

CF is in effect. It displays the following.

Character name - Faction - Spy or scum.

Player name and role description are left out.

[Gamelon]

thanks.