[MTS]

Ok, first thought off the bat:

Hoos, if you are inno (I'm not so sure, despite your numerous claims), you have either got to go, or quieten the fuck down. Honestly, you are so distracting you're almost a hindrance. This makes me hesitant to get rid of you, because what sane killer would be as vocal as you, as "OMG WCS - BATTLE STATIONS!" as you, and so fucking intent on ramming his innocence down our throats. You seem by far the scummiest player, so quit being so goddamn obvious. Harsh, I know, but deserved, I think. It would be very easy to hide under your radar, Hoos. I know your intentions are good, but seriously, quieten down so it becomes easier to find scum. Accuse if you must, but calm down.

Secondly, Bent has been quite noticeably absent for most of this day. He was quite vocal yesterday, accusing PB and others (although I can't remember exactly who), and Ment even called him on showing very obvious symp behaviour. Perhaps he took that to heart and is laying low? Doesn't make all that much sense for a symp, but for scum? Maybe.

Thirdly, if Hoos is scum, or Hinter is, one of them is possibly a symp of the other. They've been kinda cosy from what I can see.

Fourthly, too much role speculation, not enough case finding. Role speculation gives us nothing but possibilities, and we end up sitting around with our thumbs up our asses while day slowly ticks away, and scum sharpen their knives in anticipation. I know I'm as guilty of this as anyone, but I think it's a direction we should be steering away from. This is a mini, after all, and we have at least two scum left. Roled scum, no less. We need to get cracking. I don't think we can have two days without lynches and stand a good chance at winning.

EDIT: spelling

This post has been edited by Mappo's Travelling Sack: 11 September 2009 - 05:12 PM

[Vengeance]

Mappo I totally agree with the lack of cases... Work has slowed down enough were I should be able to do a full reread. I haven't really understood the case against Alt. Is there even one?

Now to reread and hopefully see something.

[MTS]

I don't really understand it either. From what I can see he's been logical and helpful, if a little too focused on mechanics. From what I can remember, the votes were based on assumptions that he'd made, or things he was overlooking. I think. Hinter voted for him, I know that. I'll go re-read.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 7 hours and 24 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: alt, bent, hinter, hoosierdaddy, mappo, silencer, tapper, veng

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night

2 votes for alt: ( hoosierdaddy, hinter )

Players not voted: alt, bent, mappo, silencer, tapper, veng

[MTS]

The case on alt is fairly flimsy. Here's Hinter's:

Quote

I know Ment did not vig because I guarded him, HD says he did not vig, so that only leaves the possibility of two scum night kills, or either HD or Me is lying.

I'm not lying. HD was most likely targeted for NK last night because of his vig power (I'd kill him if I was scum), and Mappo has stated that he healed HD. I am going to assume HD's innocence because I need some platform from which I can take my game forward. I am also going to assume mappo's innocence because he healed our vig.

So these are my assumptions going forward (and yes I know I have little actual proof):

Inno - Hinter(guard), Mappo(healer), HD(vig)

Possible scum - Silencer(guard), Tapper(roleless), Alt(healer), Bent(roleless), Vengy(healer), Gavin(guard)

I believe scum would have a healer and a guard, no vig as they have an independant kill each.

That leaves Silencer, Alt, Vengy, Gavin.

Because of Alts "lets not vig anyone" post in early in the game (which I have mentioned before) and his subsequent posts being almost entirely speculation on mechanics rather than scum hunting, I'm going to

vote alt146

I know my logic has more holes in it than swiss cheese, but as I said, I have had to make some assumptions in order to try and get a handle on this game and move forward.

Hoosier basically votes him for not assuming WCS scenario in discussing game mechanics, which is kinda stupid. At least, that's the way I read it. It was fairly chopped up.

I don't really think it holds much water, to be honest. Firstly, the "not vigging" approach was actually quite sensible. The second is a fair enough complaint, but not a lynchworthy offence anyway, when everyone else pretty much has been mechanic speculating. Hypocritical lynching seems fairly odd to me. It also relies on the word of the two people we can't really trust.

You know, I think I was onto something with HD and Hinter. Must be the H-bond, I don't know, but they're very closely linked. There's this vote on alt, they both go for Silencer's slip up and they both repeatedly claim their innocence. Also more finger pointing than anyone else.

[Tapper]

I like your deductions, hadn't really noticed all the stuff on Hinter through my focus on HD. However, they both have a strong point to back them up and that is that the wcs scenario is the likely scenario.

[MTS]

I realise that, Tapper, but is that a reason to lynch somebody? I don't think so anyway.

[Tapper]

Mappo, on 11 September 2009 - 06:23 PM, said:

I realise that, Tapper, but is that a reason to lynch somebody? I don't think so anyway.

Oh, I agree with you, and I think the fact that I agree also caused the ridiculous amount of theorycraft on this day so far.

[Tapper]

also, where the feck is Bent?

Vote Bent

Maybe it helps...

[MTS]

Ah well, can't be helped now.

I think the main question for today is what to do with HD and Hinter. There's more evidence on them than everyone else combined, and they're a distraction besides. HD seems to think he's gonna bite the dust tonight, so will probably use his vig, and is Hinter useful enough as a guard to keep around? If we lynch him then we only have one guard after all. A forgetful guard, at that.

And where the fuck is Bent?

[MTS]

Tapper said:

also, where the feck is Bent?

Vote Bent

Maybe it helps...

Haha has he posted at all today? He'd be lucky to have 2 or 3, I'd think.

EDIT: put in quote.

This post has been edited by Mappo's Travelling Sack: 11 September 2009 - 06:30 PM

[MTS]

Scratch that, Bent has no posts today. Nada. Not a one. His last was around 24 hours ago. Better hurry up, buddy, or you might get modkilled.

[HoosierDaddy]

Lol, yeah, vote off the lone vig. It's fucking D-day so I'm pushing. Drunkenly and not well, but somebody had to fucking balls up and start some shit.

[HoosierDaddy]

Also, I'll quiet the fuck down when I'm dead, until then? Ignore my posts or whatever.

[HoosierDaddy]

As to why I voted for Alt, I went back through and re-read the thread last night and voted for the person with the most (imo) scummy posts.

[MTS]

Start some shit? You didn't start anything. If anything, you put yourself in a worse position, and we still have jack because you overshadowed everyone. And it has nothing to do with balls, Hoosier, it's about being smart.

[HoosierDaddy]

Yeah, yeah. Go get them Mafia expert.

[MTS]

Quit acting so scummy then Hoos.

As to Alt's scummy posts, fair enough. Care to show us any? That might get the ball rolling the way you so desperately want it to. We might then have a good case, rather than nothing.

[MTS]

HoosierDaddy, on 11 September 2009 - 06:49 PM, said:

Yeah, yeah. Go get them Mafia expert.

Case in fucking point. Quit insulting me and actually do something. You're contributing nothing.

[HoosierDaddy]

Well, I just went through and by tally added up scummy posts, so I have no post numbers, just a number tally. Granted, it was done drunk and not the best logic ever. So, can't really do so. Yeah, bad move by me.