[Ben Adephon Delat]

As lots of people have pointed out you're better of stabbing each other with pointy bits of metal than you are blasting each other with magic because the latter is less likely to attract attention and should anyone attempt to back stab you still have your magic to rely on. Of course the fact that Spite and Envy wailed on each other magically then later on wailed on the Hounds in the same fashion suggests that this is more of a bit of good advice than something which is true in every single case.

[Obdigore]

Abyss, on 27 October 2009 - 02:06 PM, said:

Interesting that Letherii blue steel shares the 'heals nicks and dents' attribute that Hust, bloodwood and blackwood weapons have.

Hust, bloodwood and blackwood both link to elder warrens (SD the first two, KE the latter)... i wonder what the Letherii blue steel angle was...

- Abyss, ...may have stumbled onto something there...

Abyss, can you pull out a quote from this somewhere? I was under the impression that it was individual swords that were enchanted to repair themselves, although they lose the mass each time they 'self-sharpen'.

I was also under the impression that the Hust swords could 'regrow' and gain lost mass, not just morph their shape to be the correct one when damaged, which is what the enchaned Letherii swords did.

[Tehol]

A couple of reasons for why I still think Darkness is gonna be the bomb:

Portal theory: I do not think the claiming of the lives of the two armies were in aid of creating a portal for Draconus, as has been suggested elsewhere and implied here. The reason is - the souls are on the wrong side. Now, there were plenty of powerful souls on Draconus's side (in the sword) which he could/may have used to power the portal... but it is highly unlikely (from what we have seen elsewhere in the books) that he could have sacrificed people in a different realm in order to go to that realm. If he was slaying them for that purpose it would mean he was already there, so there would be no need of the portal.

In addition to this, it has been suggested that in the destruction of Dragnipur, all it remaining denizens would be expelled from the sword. Take, for example, Hood now walking Wu once more... even as the Errant says (p.643 DoD) "... He is freed. The sword Dragnipur is shattered - there was no other way out..."

Again, not strong evidence for the slaying to have been for the purpose of creating a portal.

Also, there was the Errant's summons.... (p.642 DoD): "A summoning beyond all expectation," Sechul said. "Odd, Errastas looks less than pleased at his own efficacy." The elder Gods continue to speculate on the way in which Draconus arrived, wondering if it was anger (which they said it couldn't be because the last time he got angry NOTHING survived intact) or whether it was a warning - which they agreed it was... a 'throwing down of the gauntlet'.

So again, there was something else going on with Draconus's arrival... and I am still of the persuasion that it has everything to do with his new weapon. If you read again the description of that part of the book... everything... the cold, the darkness... thunder... hills collapsing.... massive detonations.... everything is swirling into what becomes the sword... ending with a final massive report.

A final report, loud as the snapping of a dragon's spine, and then sudden silence.
A sword, bleeding darkness, dripping cold. (DoD p.638)

It seems the entire arrival was for the purpose of the fashioning of the sword. At which point, Draconus's first words are to apologise to Mother Dark, his love. It is probably the most weighty event in the book, the equivalent of the death of Rake in TtH... in fact it is pretty much the flip side of the coin - Rake & Dragnipur exchanged for Draconus & Darkness...

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Hellian's Keg Lid
Posted 22 November 2009 - 10:40 PM
I'd say Draconus has plenty to apologise to Mother Dark for without him having to have done anything new

Really? I'm not sure if Draconus has anything to apologise about... that was more Rake's gig. Unless he is just saying sorry because her son died, which would be apt, but again... the moment that is described in the book culminates in the fashioning of the sword...

Another possibility... rather than chaining or containing Mother Dark in the sword... maybe Draconus has put Annomander Rake in the sword!!!! (or at least his soul or some such)... which again would be a good reason to apolgise... "Sorry my love, I just whacked the soul of your most precious first born son into this new weapon I made...."

This post has been edited by Tehol: 23 November 2009 - 11:42 PM

[Tehol]

Obdigore, on 23 November 2009 - 10:16 PM, said:

Abyss, on 27 October 2009 - 02:06 PM, said:

Interesting that Letherii blue steel shares the 'heals nicks and dents' attribute that Hust, bloodwood and blackwood weapons have.

Hust, bloodwood and blackwood both link to elder warrens (SD the first two, KE the latter)... i wonder what the Letherii blue steel angle was...

- Abyss, ...may have stumbled onto something there...

Abyss, can you pull out a quote from this somewhere? I was under the impression that it was individual swords that were enchanted to repair themselves, although they lose the mass each time they 'self-sharpen'.

I was also under the impression that the Hust swords could 'regrow' and gain lost mass, not just morph their shape to be the correct one when damaged, which is what the enchaned Letherii swords did.

Maybe the Letherii blue steel angle is K'Chain linked... When Feather Which (Breath) names the new warrens, she calls one Blueiron - linking it to the K'Chain technology and describing the K'Chain Drone as a 'fulcrum' of Blueiron.

Given that the empty Rooted's are so close to the Letherii empire.. it may be that they discovered some of the K'Chain metal in some time past... and developed Blue Steel...

Any thoughts?

[Silencer]

I don't think anyone believes the deaths were to create a portal. O.o

It clearly went into creating the sword.

@Abyss
As for the chains on the wagon - remember after Kallor's curse, the three Elder Gods talked, and Drac mentioned a 'finality' to it, which he was going to have to change. Dragnipur is theoretically inescapable...however the souls inside it 'live on'. Hence they *can* return to the mortal realm, should they slip their chains.

If the sword was truly a 'final solution', you would not be able to come back. Ever. No matter what happens. That was, imo, Draconus' change. And remember, that while the souls are pulling the wagon, it is their *power* which allows them to do so - nothing physical. If you were to erase the power's form, it would still power the motion of the wagon, just in a different way. Soul-powered car, so to speak. In the sword, you are simply a manifestation of your power, because that is all which is left - as you use your power to pull the wagon, it is reduced, until you cease to exist.

And Ben is right, we have always seen that even powerhouses like Rake tend to favour the use of swords over the use of magic. Using magic weakens you, opens you up to vultures. Power ever draws other power. You use 10% of your power taking out some other guy, and some fresh ascendant who is normally 5% weaker than you pops up and wtfpwns you. He uses 95% of his power doing that, some other ascendant pops up, whacks him, so on and so forth, bringing the whole thing down.
This is one reason the Chainings were so massively unique - many ascendants joining their power to aide each other...opening themselves up to betrayal. See Gothos talking in TtH - people did try the betrayal thing after it.

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We have seen several times, that creatures/Ascendents can resurrect themselves after death.

Blackzoid, you're mistaken there. No-one in the series has truly come back, except Paran. If you die, and pass through Hood's Gates...you're gone. SE has stated there will be one other major resurrection in the series, and I'm not sure whether that has happened or not yet.

Still...

Oh, and @Illy - the sword is very cold...see also the gate to Darkness, and the RotCG Prologue Dragnipur...a void of cold and dark. Drac's sword was also described as such.

Now, I need to start a re-read, but I thought at the time the sword conspicuously disappeared after that, like when he met Ublala...people also tended not to notice the fact that Drac was rather odd looking...but maybe I just missed that on the first time through. Too much awesome can do that to you. XD

[blackzoid]

Sorry Silencer, but we also have Hedge(by RG)/Brys(eventually)/Rhulad as resurrections.
Plus Trake when he died went from First Hero to God. Its not a resurrection but not exactly "finality" in death either.
They may not have gone through Hood's Gate, but they did not exactly die. Dragnipur would have prevented that from happening.


As for Draconus new sword, as regards the theory that he needed the souls of the 2 armies to fashion it, I believe that this is incorrect. We know that he has changed from being the bloodthirsty tyrant that he once was. That seems like something the "old" Draconus would do. I think that Draconus picked the Wastelands as his entry point because he believed that there would be no-one there and so loss of life would be minimised. It was just bad luck that 2 armies were fighting it out at that place when he manifested.

I do think that there is a definite similarity between the DoD sword and what Draconus has in RotCG.

[Illuyankas]

Creating the sword... or restraining the sword?

Now I think Draconus is going around hitting people with a gate into KG. Probably the one from Dragnipur. Which is pretty hilarious.

[Abyss]

Ben Adephon Delat, on 23 November 2009 - 09:14 PM, said:

As lots of people have pointed out you're better of stabbing each other with pointy bits of metal than you are blasting each other with magic ...

A good point (heehee, see what i did there?) but your Envy/Spite exception shows that not everyone is likely to resort to it. It's also somewhat aspect dependent. Dessembrae is apprently massively powerful, but we've only ever seen him hitting people with a sword and the closest he's come to any other manifestation of power are his very infrequent 'teleports' in RCG.

Obdigore, on 23 November 2009 - 10:16 PM, said:

Abyss, on 27 October 2009 - 02:06 PM, said:

Interesting that Letherii blue steel shares the 'heals nicks and dents' attribute that Hust, bloodwood and blackwood weapons have.

Hust, bloodwood and blackwood both link to elder warrens (SD the first two, KE the latter)... i wonder what the Letherii blue steel angle was...

- Abyss, ...may have stumbled onto something there...

Abyss, can you pull out a quote from this somewhere? I was under the impression that it was individual swords that were enchanted to repair themselves, although they lose the mass each time they 'self-sharpen'.

I was also under the impression that the Hust swords could 'regrow' and gain lost mass, not just morph their shape to be the correct one when damaged, which is what the enchaned Letherii swords did.

The bluesteel quote is from the MT scene where the Ceda and Brys discuss the cursed weapons and which to give to Silchas. And yes, they mentioned the loss of mass.

I don't remember a discussion regarding loss of mass with the wood weapons, which i suppose being wood would 're-grow' as opposed to shift mass. Hust is a similar question mark to me.

Tehol, on 23 November 2009 - 11:40 PM, said:

A couple of reasons for why I still think Darkness is gonna be the bomb:

Portal theory: I do not think the claiming of the lives of the two armies were in aid of creating a portal for Draconus, ...
Again, not strong evidence for the slaying to have been for the purpose of creating a portal.

Also, there was the Errant's summons.... (p.642 DoD): "A summoning beyond all expectation...

So again, there was something else going on with Draconus's arrival... and I am still of the persuasion that it has everything to do with his new weapon. ...
A final report, loud as the snapping of a dragon's spine, and then sudden silence.
A sword, bleeding darkness, dripping cold. (DoD p.638)

It seems the entire arrival was for the purpose of the fashioning of the sword. ...
Another possibility... rather than chaining or containing Mother Dark in the sword... maybe Draconus has put Annomander Rake in the sword!!!! (or at least his soul or some such)... which again would be a good reason to apolgise... "Sorry my love, I just whacked the soul of your most precious first born son into this new weapon I made...."

The freeze-armies-to-make-sword thing is a solid theory and not one i'd considered (and post rep tapped for the quote fu too). I'm doubtful about the Rake thing but damn, that's a sick thought and a nice bit of turnabout if it were true.

Tehol, on 23 November 2009 - 11:49 PM, said:

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Maybe the Letherii blue steel angle is K'Chain linked... When Feather Which (Breath) names the new warrens, she calls one Blueiron - linking it to the K'Chain technology and describing the K'Chain Drone as a 'fulcrum' of Blueiron.

Given that the empty Rooted's are so close to the Letherii empire.. it may be that they discovered some of the K'Chain metal in some time past... and developed Blue Steel...

Any thoughts?

There is a certain logic to the Letherii learning something from the scraps of the KC civilization, and that would link nicely to the way the new warren comes into play via Icarium. Damn Tehol, for a new arrival, you've got some solid theories in your thinkymeatz.

Silencer, on 24 November 2009 - 08:29 AM, said:

...@Abyss
As for the chains on the wagon - remember after Kallor's curse, the three Elder Gods talked, and Drac mentioned a 'finality' to it, which he was going to have to change. Dragnipur is theoretically inescapable...however the souls inside it 'live on'. Hence they *can* return to the mortal realm, should they slip their chains.

If the sword was truly a 'final solution', you would not be able to come back. Ever. No matter what happens. That was, imo, Draconus' change. And remember, that while the souls are pulling the wagon, it is their *power* which allows them to do so - nothing physical. If you were to erase the power's form, it would still power the motion of the wagon, just in a different way. Soul-powered car, so to speak. In the sword, you are simply a manifestation of your power, because that is all which is left - as you use your power to pull the wagon, it is reduced, until you cease to exist.
...

It was implied that 'used-up' souls didn't cease to exist. they ended up piled on the wagon or dragging behind it.

I suppose it's also possible that Drac never got a chance to build in an escape route before Rake took the sword from him. Apsalara's discovery re the chains seemed more like a design flaw than a deliberate plan or else Drac might have used it long before.

Then again, the 'escape' may simply be that when broken the souls are released. Drac had no reason to think anyone would ever break the sword, but then he probably figured no one would ever take it from him either.

blackzoid, on 24 November 2009 - 10:29 AM, said:

Sorry Silencer, but we also have Hedge(by RG)/Brys(eventually)/Rhulad as resurrections.
Plus Trake when he died went from First Hero to God. Its not a resurrection but not exactly "finality" in death either.
They may not have gone through Hood's Gate, but they did not exactly die. Dragnipur would have prevented that from happening.

The books are piled high with people escaping death in some way. Hell, heboric went right through Hood's gate and Hood himself coughed him back up in some way. Toc the Younger has practically made it a habit.

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As for Draconus new sword, as regards the theory that he needed the souls of the 2 armies to fashion it, I believe that this is incorrect. We know that he has changed from being the bloodthirsty tyrant that he once was. That seems like something the "old" Draconus would do. I think that Draconus picked the Wastelands as his entry point because he believed that there would be no-one there and so loss of life would be minimised. It was just bad luck that 2 armies were fighting it out at that place when he manifested.

Maybe. We don't really know exactly why the Big Freeze happened - was it a manifestation of Drac's power as he busted out of the Dragnipur,

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I do think that there is a definite similarity between the DoD sword and what Draconus has in RotCG.

Why? Big heaping blade of darkness thing aside, the RCG thing was designed to suck up ascendent souls. we don't know what 'Darkness' does yet.

Illuyankas, on 24 November 2009 - 03:32 PM, said:

Creating the sword... or restraining the sword?

Now I think Draconus is going around hitting people with a gate into KG. Probably the one from Dragnipur. Which is pretty hilarious.

This is one of those things like Jaghuts weilding Ice Ages as weapons that only SE could come up with.


- Abyss, in awe as always.

[Silencer]

No, you're wrong on the resurrections. Toc is dead. He's a servant of Hood, same as Whiskeyjack (though now, he's just Death's Herald, 'cuz Hood is not the King any more), before that, he simply inhabited another body - no resurrection there.
Hedge, I'll concede, appears to have come back to life, as did our favourite T'lan Imass (or is that second favourite?). But they never actually died, you see. They were prevented from dying by the ritual, and so in breaking free merely avoided the inevitable once more. As for what happened with Hedge, I have no idea.
Now, Hood...Hood is a curious one. As King of Death, he was technically dead, now he has reinhabited his old Jaghut body...is that resurrection, or possession? Could be the later, as he is technically just a soul in a body, rather than a person who has been brought back to life...
Same thing with Draconus, never passed through Hood's Gates, and now simply manifests himself in humanoid form - technically he's just power giving itself a shape.
Rhulad avoided death, too - that was the point of the sword. He was 'killed', but did not die. He simply went to the CG's island/pocket warren and took up the sword, returning to his former life.
Brys I'll grant, does seem to have actually come back to life. But perhaps that is the one SE was talking about, given this was prior to RG that the interview took place.

Now, semantics it may be, but for all intents and purposes that is the distinctions made. I personally was surprised - I figured like you that most of those would count as resurrections, but apparently not, in the author's view. Unless he's changed his mind since.

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It was implied that 'used-up' souls didn't cease to exist. they ended up piled on the wagon or dragging behind it.

But such was the nature of the sword. In doing so they became a burden rather than a boon, as once they lost the will to pull forward, they no longer aided the Gate's movement. If the sword was built like I suggest it was planned to be, then this would not have been a problem, as 'will' would never have come into it. Essentially as it stands all the other souls end up pulling the power of the 'used up' ones too.

As for the escape route, recall Killy and Lath's discussion - they talked about how Drac might have planned the entire thing. In this case I believe his escape route was just what we saw. He's had freaking Kadaspala inscribing that pattern since the beginning, remember. He was just beginning to lose hope towards the end, perhaps. There's a certain inconsistency in there, and it bugs me, but I can't pin it down. *shrug*

Still, this debate is perhaps better suited for a Dragnipur/'Darkness' thread...and it's all opinion any way.

[Grief]

Silencer, on 24 November 2009 - 09:34 PM, said:

No, you're wrong on the resurrections. Toc is dead. He's a servant of Hood, same as Whiskeyjack (though now, he's just Death's Herald, 'cuz Hood is not the King any more), before that, he simply inhabited another body - no resurrection there.
Hedge, I'll concede, appears to have come back to life, as did our favourite T'lan Imass (or is that second favourite?). But they never actually died, you see. They were prevented from dying by the ritual, and so in breaking free merely avoided the inevitable once more. As for what happened with Hedge, I have no idea.
Now, Hood...Hood is a curious one. As King of Death, he was technically dead, now he has reinhabited his old Jaghut body...is that resurrection, or possession? Could be the later, as he is technically just a soul in a body, rather than a person who has been brought back to life...
Same thing with Draconus, never passed through Hood's Gates, and now simply manifests himself in humanoid form - technically he's just power giving itself a shape.
Rhulad avoided death, too - that was the point of the sword. He was 'killed', but did not die. He simply went to the CG's island/pocket warren and took up the sword, returning to his former life.
Brys I'll grant, does seem to have actually come back to life. But perhaps that is the one SE was talking about, given this was prior to RG that the interview took place.

Now, semantics it may be, but for all intents and purposes that is the distinctions made. I personally was surprised - I figured like you that most of those would count as resurrections, but apparently not, in the author's view. Unless he's changed his mind since.

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It was implied that 'used-up' souls didn't cease to exist. they ended up piled on the wagon or dragging behind it.

But such was the nature of the sword. In doing so they became a burden rather than a boon, as once they lost the will to pull forward, they no longer aided the Gate's movement. If the sword was built like I suggest it was planned to be, then this would not have been a problem, as 'will' would never have come into it. Essentially as it stands all the other souls end up pulling the power of the 'used up' ones too.

As for the escape route, recall Killy and Lath's discussion - they talked about how Drac might have planned the entire thing. In this case I believe his escape route was just what we saw. He's had freaking Kadaspala inscribing that pattern since the beginning, remember. He was just beginning to lose hope towards the end, perhaps. There's a certain inconsistency in there, and it bugs me, but I can't pin it down. *shrug*

Still, this debate is perhaps better suited for a Dragnipur/'Darkness' thread...and it's all opinion any way.

Can't see it as a ploy by draconus. Just a personal opinion based upon his actions and thoughts within the sword.

As for Hood, there is a precedent for Jaghut souls being able to inhabit bodies damaged to a massive degree, in Raest. So, I wouldn't say he counts as dead.

[iRFNA]

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks draconus shaped the gate of KG into a sword. There's a few interesting things that haven't been mentioned yet about this. First of all, the crazy darkness that eventually arrives at the field of battle comes vaguely from "the west", which could also be the direction of genabackis (black coral). And about the armies dying for a ritual, if you look at the very ending text before draconus appears, it notes something about there being no fluid left in any of them. Ya know, like blood.

One thing to note is that darkness could have been vulnerable by getting attached to the rather brutal manifestation of KG on wu by rake and crew in book 3. Along with that, draconus obviously has shown the ability to "steal" the gate to darkness, and he was very familiar with the crazy tattoo ritual that kadaspala was making (until the whole making a god out of it thing). However, it seems to have still partially fulfilled its purpose as a cage based on the events of its manifestation in black coral. Maybe draconus could have used this "cage" to shuttle him a link to KG then sacrificed a few thousand hapless soldiers to seal the deal? Maybe he could just do it anyway and kadaspala's oh so clever poking ended up being an elaborate ritual of murder-suicide + slicing some of clip's fingers?

Also, people keep saying that draconus is all nice and friendly now, but honestly I doubt it's going to be that extreme and/or permanent. If anything, his imprisoning by a flawed dragnipur that was essentially doomed to eventual failure by its very design was simply his way of making kallor's curse less than permanent. It's not like silchas, being trapped in an azath for god knows how long, suddenly became a nicer dude.

[Tehol]

iRFNA, on 25 November 2009 - 03:36 AM, said:

Also, people keep saying that draconus is all nice and friendly now, but honestly I doubt it's going to be that extreme and/or permanent. If anything, his imprisoning by a flawed dragnipur that was essentially doomed to eventual failure by its very design was simply his way of making kallor's curse less than permanent. It's not like silchas, being trapped in an azath for god knows how long, suddenly became a nicer dude.

Yeah I agree - the power of the Elder Gods comes from blood. Blood is best. And so, even if Draconus is not so 'bloodthirsty' any more (debatable) - he still needs blood to manifest power (as far as my understanding of Elder Gods and their magic goes).

The blood sacrifice may even be linked to the 'taking of a form', such as when K'rul is able to manifest in Kruppe's dreams after a few drops of blood in his temple. In order to take on a manifest form, maybe Draconus requires lots of blood.

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I don't think anyone believes the deaths were to create a portal. O.o

It clearly went into creating the sword.

Yes, you are correct, apologies - I was reading another thread at the same time which was making that connection and thought it was in this thread.


@ Abyss

thank you I really enjoy reading these threads, and the comments of yourself and many others - especially after finishing each of the books... it's almost a way of keeping the book going... cause I sure as hell never want them to end

[Leigh1992]

I agree that the sword must be the Gate to KG that was inside dragnipure. Whenever the gate was mentioned it was described as a maw leaking cold so when draconus manifested in the waste lands the cold from the gate was unleashed and killed the armies before draconus could bring it under control. When ublala meets draconus he notes the cold surrounding him but it's much less and draconus says he will get used to it suggesting he has power over the cold but he isn't the source of the cold.

Now back to weapons. . . . Didn't l'oric have an awesome sword?
And I think the garrott should be added to the list seeing how it contains a fragment of the gate to KG.
What about the encrusted sword from the underwater guard? I don't know if it was speacial but it was cool
And what about Ereko's spear? It was aspected to burn I think.
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[Leigh1992]

Oh yeah, why has no one mentioned silverfox as a ressurrection? Tattersails never realy died but nightchill definately did and was brought back partially. And then there is the dying god/bellurdan thing.

[Silencer]

Because SE said that while the people involved died, Silverfox is a completely different person.

In case anyone is wondering where I got this from:

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The ascendant Whiskeyjack? All rightie, this ties in with concerns I've seen expressed about resurrections in the novels. Curious. Paran is the only character truly resurrected, because in his re-animation he is essentially the same person he was before. Maybe Duiker, too. Tattersail was reborn, as was Nightchill, but Silverfox is a very different creature. Baudin as a servant of Hood is perforce very dead, and will remain so. The Bridgeburners who make a re-appearance in HoC are ghosts. Ascended, yes, resurrected, no. Coltaine is a month old and his mother still has to hold him out when he pees. No fast return there. Felisin is gone. Toc's just inhabiting a different body. Will there be any more resurrections? Only one, and it's what all the others are leading to.

Which was a Q&A with SE using questions taken from the users of this site back in 2003. Sadly, the link to the original topic is broken, so no luck there.

[Abyss]

iRFNA, on 25 November 2009 - 03:36 AM, said:

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks draconus shaped the gate of KG into a sword. ...Also, people keep saying that draconus is all nice and friendly now, but honestly I doubt it's going to be that extreme and/or permanent. If anything, his imprisoning by a flawed dragnipur that was essentially doomed to eventual failure by its very design was simply his way of making kallor's curse less than permanent. It's not like silchas, being trapped in an azath for god knows how long, suddenly became a nicer dude.

Actually, i though that it appears Silch is somewhat nicer post Azath. his whole interaction with Kettle... um... okay never mind.

But i agree Drac is still NOT a nice person. Nicer than he was, maybe, but not Santa Claus.

I have to admit the notion that Rake and the Gate and/or Mommy D in some way are now Drac's sword is a REALLY neat theory.

Tehol, on 25 November 2009 - 06:12 AM, said:

...... it's almost a way of keeping the book going... cause I sure as hell never want them to end

Even after TCG we have four more from ICE and six more from SE, and those at two year intervals apparently, so i think we're good for a while.

Leigh1992, on 25 November 2009 - 03:06 PM, said:

...Now back to weapons. . . . Didn't l'oric have an awesome sword?
And I think the garrott should be added to the list seeing how it contains a fragment of the gate to KG.
What about the encrusted sword from the underwater guard? I don't know if it was speacial but it was cool
And what about Ereko's spear? It was aspected to burn I think.
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Iirc, there was nothing special about Loric's sword other than it being, so to speak, Loric's sword, thus a Liosan forged, invested, sword used by a High Mage etc. Not unique in the sense that most of the weapons on the list are.

Clip's garrot... i go back and forth on that one. Maybe in the next version of the list unless someone else updates it before i get around to it.

I don't remember anything special about Ereko's spear. Quotes?

Silencer, on 25 November 2009 - 08:57 PM, said:

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The ascendant Whiskeyjack? All rightie, this ties in with concerns I've seen expressed about resurrections in the novels. ... Will there be any more resurrections? Only one, and it's what all the others are leading to.

Which was a Q&A with SE using questions taken from the users of this site back in 2003. Sadly, the link to the original topic is broken, so no luck there.

- Abyss, ...notes SE also told us there were no Hounds of Light.

[Silencer]

Which is why I put a disclaimer in my first post on the subject. XD

[Tehol]

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Will there be any more resurrections? Only one, and it's what all the others are leading to.

Hood.

[Grief]

Abyss, on 26 November 2009 - 04:09 PM, said:

iRFNA, on 25 November 2009 - 03:36 AM, said:

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks draconus shaped the gate of KG into a sword. ...Also, people keep saying that draconus is all nice and friendly now, but honestly I doubt it's going to be that extreme and/or permanent. If anything, his imprisoning by a flawed dragnipur that was essentially doomed to eventual failure by its very design was simply his way of making kallor's curse less than permanent. It's not like silchas, being trapped in an azath for god knows how long, suddenly became a nicer dude.

Actually, i though that it appears Silch is somewhat nicer post Azath. his whole interaction with Kettle... um... okay never mind.

But i agree Drac is still NOT a nice person. Nicer than he was, maybe, but not Santa Claus.

I have to admit the notion that Rake and the Gate and/or Mommy D in some way are now Drac's sword is a REALLY neat theory.

Well, I wouldn't think it's MD,because she's active now. Doesn't make sense for me-that if she can't be active while in one magical sword, she can while in another. So I think that since Mother Dark is out, it's not the gate to KG.
So, I would disagree with the idea that it's the gate to KG from dragnipur. Think of the effort Rake went to moving it, it doesn't make sense to me that if it is so hard to move it, Draconus can just kill a few thousand people and move it straight into another sword.

Of course, Mother Dark isn't the only gate to Kurald Galain(we know Rake was one too, reference in MoI when he's in soletaken form).
And Draconus is an Elder God, hugely powerful in his own right, and also seems to be dark aspected, so that he can make a sword of darkness is hardly surprising.
Cold also seems to be becoming associated with Draconus, which is interesting, since Ice is a rather prominent element in the series, yet we've not seen an elemental force aspected to it. It may not have one(if I had to pick a Race with a warren that didn't have an Elder god, my bet would be on the Jaghut), or it could be draconus. Ruthan Gudd is another possibility...

[Tehol]

I think you may be mixing things up a little. MD was never in Dragnipur, just the gate to KG. MD was not 'inactive' because of Dragnipur, she had chosen to 'turn w
away''. This has been linked to the point in time when her son, Rake, chose to drink from the blood of Tiam. (from memory). MD has now chosen to turn her face back towards 'existance'.

It is reasonable that she, as an embodiment, is free to act and be wherever she wants, but for the gate to KG to be bound to a sword once more... Or even for the essence of Rake to be bound to the sword, Darkness.